JustBBall.Com Poll (Week 8)

<font color="DarkRed">NCAA Division I:
Official JustBBall.Com Poll
(Weeks 8)</font>

This is the Official JustBBall.Com Top 25 college basketball poll with number of first-place votes in parentheses and total points to the side. Team records are through the date the poll was released:

1. Illinois - 150 (6)
2. Duke - 141
3. Kansas - 140
4. Wake Forest - 131
5. Oklahoma State - 127
6. Syracuse - 119
7. North Carolina - 114
8. Kentucky - 101
9. Georgia Tech - 84
10. Boston College - 81
11. Washington - 76
12. Pittsburgh - 67
13. Texas - 66
14. Michigan State - 63
15. Wisconsin - 60
16. Gonzaga - 56
17. Connecticut - 51
18. Iowa - 49
19. Louisville - 48
20. Cincinnati - 40
21. Oklahoma - 38
22. Marquette - 36
23. Arizona - 32
24. Charlotte - 15
25. Florida - 14

Others Receiving Votes:
Mississippi State (13), Villanova (9), Miami (7), UCLA (6), George Washington (5), Alabama (4), Utah (4), Oregon (2), Texas A&M (1)

The Board of Selected Members is made up of 10 quality college basketball posters at JustBBall.Com. All are respected and credible members. The 2004-05 voters: 44Thrilla, CourtKing*, CUSA Fan, Dre*, Moo2k4*, UKOwnsSEC, S.Livingston14, Shard, STCBBall3*, Voodoo Child

*Courtking, Dre, Moo2k4, and STCBBall3 were occupied and could not get their rankings submitted.

Dropped From Rankings:
#17 George Washington, #23 North Carolina State, #25 Villanova

 

Everything ood except Michigan State ovverrated and Boston College underrated.

 

north carolina 7th? they should definately be higher than that

 

Why should they, they just lost by 10+ to Wake Forest.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Everything ood except Michigan State ovverrated and Boston College underrated.</div>

The rankings were made without considering the Michigan State loss and the Georgia Tech loss, because they were still in progress.

As for changes, I'd drop Marquette after that embarrassing loss to Memphis. I'd also keep Charlotte out of the rankings. Yeah, Charlotte is a good team, but they're not top 25 worthy. I could name you ten or maybe even fifteen teams that are better right now.

I'm also not even sure if I'd include UConn or Pittsburgh. What have they done so far that makes them rankings worthy (especially Pitt)?

I'd also put Iowa over Texas. Pretty much everyone has two to four losses at this point in the season, so Iowa having three losses isn't anything groundbreaking. Iowa beat Texas and they have more quality wins. Right now there's no reason to have Texas over them.

Also, considering how many teams have three losses right now, I don't think that Arizona should be kept in the bottom five of the top twenty five any longer.

 

Sorry for not getting to my rankings this week guy, busy weekend and didn't have a lot of time. As for the rankings....I agree with what VC said. I personally, would have liked to see Iowa higher. Sure, they have three losses and already two in the Big Ten. If you ask me, any bad team would fall apart after that start. But they haven't, they bounced back and won a close game and have still gotten two quality wins. I don't understand why people seem to dislike them so much at times....in specific AP and ESPN...but that's an entirely different subject that I won't delve in to at this moment.

I also agree about Pitt. I realize that have great players and all, but great players shouldn't be what you base rankings on. Sure, good record and all, but ZERO quality wins. They're beating on bad to mediocre teams on a fairly consistent basis, and that in itself doesn't say much about how good a team really is.

Tesh...I'm wondering...why should UNC be higher than 7th? They lost, and not only that, Wake beat on them pretty good. Now, tie into the fact that there are three undefeateds above them, all of which who have beaten quality teams, and a couple one loss teams (OSU was prior to the Texas loss last night), and that could be reason enough for their drop. I understand that they did beat on GT earlier in the week, but they still got creamed by Wake Forest.

 

How does Alabama lose votes? We had one game last week, at Arkansas, and we won. Talk about no respect. I guess we're going to have crush Mississippi Sate tonight to show everyone we're for real.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jagman28782:</div><div class="quote_post">How does Alabama lose votes? We had one game last week, at Arkansas, and we won. Talk about no respect. I guess we're going to have crush Mississippi Sate tonight to show everyone we're for real.</div>

I'll be honest with you and say that I'm afraid that your all not for real. You all have had chances to pick up quality wins and have yet to win a big game. Vandy wasb't even a big test and they beat you all by 15. Now if you all were to beat Mississippi State tonight, then you all should be in the top 25 come this time next week...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How does Alabama lose votes? We had one game last week, at Arkansas, and we won. Talk about no respect. I guess we're going to have crush Mississippi Sate tonight to show everyone we're for real.</div>

Alabama lost votes because they didn't do anything special while other teams picked up some quality wins. Alabama has lost all their good games, been blown out by Vanderbilt, and have struggled with mediocre teams like Arkansas.

Anyway, I believe they will beat Mississippi State tonight, but I believe that Mississippi State is overrated. Not to mention, Mississippi State's best player is out with a foot injury. It should be a fairly easy win. Hell, if it's anything short of a blowout I'd be dissapointed. In my opinion, only two teams are for real in the SEC this season, Kentucky and Florida. Alabama, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Florida, and maybe even Arkansas will make the tournament just based on the selection committee's bias for big conference teams. However, only Kentucky and Florida have good chances of advancing past the first round in my opinion.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Alabama lost votes because they didn't do anything special while other teams picked up some quality wins. Alabama has lost all their good games, been blown out by Vanderbilt, and have struggled with mediocre teams like Arkansas.

Anyway, I believe they will beat Mississippi State tonight, but I believe that Mississippi State is overrated. Not to mention, Mississippi State's best player is out with a foot injury. It should be a fairly easy win. Hell, if it's anything short of a blowout I'd be dissapointed. In my opinion, only two teams are for real in the SEC this season, Kentucky and Florida. Alabama, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Florida, and maybe even Arkansas will make the tournament just based on the selection committee's bias for big conference teams. However, only Kentucky and Florida have good chances of advancing past the first round in my opinion.</div>I have to disagree with you saying Winsome Fraiser is their best player, Lawrence Roberts is their heart and soul. Another thing, was 98-49 close enough for you? It is Missisippi Sate's worst loss EVER! Alabama will be berated all season, but nobody wants to play us(except Vandy).

 

No one wants to play you??? Wisconsin did, and they beat you, Washington, and they beat you. Beating Mississippi State was your first big win of the year. I think it would've been a whole different story if one of there best shooters wouldn't have been injured. But dang, that was a heck of a performence that you all put on!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKOwnstheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">No one wants to play you??? Wisconsin did, and they beat you, Washington, and they beat you. Beating Mississippi State was your first big win of the year. I think it would've been a whole different story if one of there best shooters wouldn't have been injured. But dang, that was a heck of a performence that you all put on!</div>Your right, if Fraiser would of played, we'd only beat MSU by 30. I'll clarify what I said earlier. I believe nobody wants to play us as of <u>NOW</u>. I am sorry if it wasn't clear earlier. I know Alabama won't play this good all season, but we are for real. Hopefully this will keep the team energized for the rest of the season.

 

I think if Frazier would've been in there the game might have been a little bit closer. No having him hurts this team's chemistry and they have no one that can really replace his presense.

One big win and all of these 'Bama fans are acting like they own the SEC or something...

Oh, and don't worry, teams will definitely want to play you all!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jagman28782:</div><div class="quote_post">Your right, if Fraiser would of played, we'd only beat MSU by 30. I'll clarify what I said earlier. I believe nobody wants to play us as of <u>NOW</u>. I am sorry if it wasn't clear earlier. I know Alabama won't play this good all season, but we are for real. Hopefully this will keep the team energized for the rest of the season.</div>

Cocky.....just a little I'd say. You know, you can say all these great things about 'Bama, but, have they won a good game yet? NO!!! They bean an MSU team who was without their best player and their leader, and when you don't have either of those, you're chemistry is going to be hurting and your team isn't going to play nearly as well. We'll see how good your team is when they play the likes of Florida and Kentucky, two good SEC teams. Until you do that, I know for one that I'm not gonna believe in 'Bama. To me, blowing out mediocre teams says nothing about how good you are. It's when you beat the good teams that shows what you're made of, and quite frankly, they haven't done that. Beat a good team, better yet, beat a good and HEALTHY team, and than I might start believing all the crap you talk about 'Bama. Until than, they're overrated, as they've shown that by losing to the good teams that they've played. And one last thing....I guarantee a team like Illinois or Kansas wouldn't mind you bringin' it to em, and I guarantee you wouldn't stand a chance against either of em.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Cocky.....just a little I'd say. You know, you can say all these great things about 'Bama, but, have they won a good game yet? NO!!! They bean an MSU team who was without their best player and their leader, and when you don't have either of those, you're chemistry is going to be hurting and your team isn't going to play nearly as well. We'll see how good your team is when they play the likes of Florida and Kentucky, two good SEC teams. Until you do that, I know for one that I'm not gonna believe in 'Bama. To me, blowing out mediocre teams says nothing about how good you are. It's when you beat the good teams that shows what you're made of, and quite frankly, they haven't done that. Beat a good team, better yet, beat a good and HEALTHY team, and than I might start believing all the crap you talk about 'Bama. Until than, they're overrated, as they've shown that by losing to the good teams that they've played. And one last thing....I guarantee a team like Illinois or Kansas wouldn't mind you bringin' it to em, and I guarantee you wouldn't stand a chance against either of em.</div>Just a little cocky, anybody would be cocky if their team just crushed a top 25 team. I find it funny, MSU was projected at the beginning of the year by numerous sources to win the West and compete with Kentucky for the SEC crown and now, without Winsome Fraiser(who <u>IS NOT</u> their best player, Lawrence Roberts is) they are simply "mediocre." Personally, I wish Illinois was on the schedule, I think they're overrated. I can't wait until we play Florida and Kentucky, neither team has impressed me. All Florida has showed me is how to lose at home to a sub-par Miami team. After last night, I have already started ordering SEC Championships T-shirts. I might as well start ordering them before the price goes up. BTW, <font color="red">ROLL TIDE ROLL!</font>

 

Haha, I love the cockiness, Jagman, but you all better worry about getting past Kentucky before you start ordering your SEC Championship shirt. I've never seen someone so cocky about beating a mediocre team that was without theor best "shooter." SEC is the most overated conference in America if you ask with. 'Bama and Mississippi State are first on the list as the most overted teams in the top 25.

Your cockiness just makes me want to puke! All ready ordering an SEC Championship shirt through 3 games in the SEC is the funniest thing I've ever heard...Please, just wait and say dumb comments like that after you beat Florida and Kentucky...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKOwnstheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha, I love the cockiness, Jagman, but you all better worry about getting past Kentucky before you start ordering your SEC Championship shirt. I've never seen someone so cocky about beating a mediocre team that was without theor best "shooter." SEC is the most overated conference in America if you ask with. 'Bama and Mississippi State are first on the list as the most overted teams in the top 25.

Your cockiness just makes me want to puke! All ready ordering an SEC Championship shirt through 3 games in the SEC is the funniest thing I've ever heard...Please, just wait and say dumb comments like that after you beat Florida and Kentucky...</div>I will say this, I give you some good quotes UK. I'll let the season play out before I give you another memorable quote. I just got one more word for MSU: BTW, if you think I'm cocky, you should of been at Coleman Colisium last night. I am humble compared to the rowdys there.

 

If any team has their score doubled, then their not that good to begin with. Remember when West Virginia lost by about thirty points to Villanova? Well, that West Virginia team was about ten times as good as this Mississippi State team is. Does that mean Villanova should be top twenty-five too? Of course not. The fact is that Alabama just keeps losing to good teams and blowing out mediocre teams. There's nothing special about that. Also, what doesn't impress you about Illinois? They blew out Wake Forest, Gonzaga, and Cincinnati. What more proof do you need that they are better than a team that got trampled by Washington and Wisconsin and hasn't had a legit top twenty-five win yet?

As for Frazer -

"In my mind, he's the best defender in the SEC," coach Rick Stansbury said. "His quickness, toughness and experience are things we can't replace. ... There's nobody who can give us what Frazier gave us defensively."

Lawrence is obviously the most talented player. He is obviously the biggest pro prospect as well. However, this season he is not as important to the Bulldogs because he doesn't get things done on the defensive end like Frazer does; hence the 98 points allowed by Mississippi State last night. The Bulldogs have a 41-7 record when he plays and nearly a losing record when he doesn't.

Plus, Vanderbilt - 70, Alabama - 56. They were pretty much tied with LSU at the half, only beat Minnesota by six, took the last few minutes to beat Arkansas, and barely beat Temple by four points.

 

I find it funny, everybody here but me thinks Florida and Kentucky are the class of the SEC, that theory has been destroyed in the past few days. Kentucky was taken to the wire by a <u>sub-mediocre</u> Ole Miss team and Florida was beaten at home by an unpredictable Tennessee team. Addressing VC's comparrison of MSU and West Virginia, West Virginia is an overrated team if there ever was one. My crappy high school team could come into Morgantown and beat the Mounties by 20+. I have a request, when we beat UK and UF, don't call them mediocre.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jagman28782:</div><div class="quote_post">I find it funny, everybody here but me thinks Florida and Kentucky are the class of the SEC, that theory has been destroyed in the past few days. Kentucky was taken to the wire by a <u>sub-mediocre</u> Ole Miss team and Florida was beaten at home by an unpredictable Tennessee team. Addressing VC's comparrison of MSU and West Virginia, West Virginia is an overrated team if there ever was one. My crappy high school team could come into Morgantown and beat the Mounties by 20+. I have a request, when we beat UK and UF, don't call them mediocre.</div>

And you all lost to Vandy who was killed by Florida, and don't even bring up the Ole Miss game. That's the worst we played all year and we still won. haha. I just don't know what you see in 'Bama...They may beat Kentucky, but you can't be saying that they're going to win the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP when they can't even beat teams like Vandy who has had 6 losses already....