I have heard many rumors this week about us doing a trade with the Phoenix Suns, Joe Johnson for Sammy Dalembert. What do you guys think about this? Personally I like this idea alot. Sam Dalembert does not perform well at all in Jim O Briens system. Sammy Dalembert is a shot blocker. The Way Jim O Brien sets up his defense he is not using Sammy Dalemberts strenghs to their greatest use. Sammy fit in last year in Chris Fords system but this system does not work. Sammy is always guarding the perimeter instead of the paint and that is not taking advantage of his abilities. Joe Johnson on the other hand gives us what we need. A guy who can score with Iverson. Like in that Batman and Robin Thread. AI will be the batman and Joe Johnson will be the Robin. Joe Johnson could probably score 20 pointss a night possibly because our team really doesn't have much consistent scorers. Theres AI and JAckson and really no one else. Joe Johnson could be the guy we need. All in all Sam Dalembert for Joe Johnson sonds good to me. What do you guys think about this?
I think that yall need to keep Sammy and get rid of Glenn. I havent checked if it would have on realgm yet but that would be the best intrest. I think that Sammy brings a awesome spot to the C postion that is something that yall dont have.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The move has multiple benefits for Phoenix. Jackson would immediately give the Suns a veteran scoring option off the bench and also give coach Mike D'Antoni a ready-made replacement for Joe Johnson if the Suns can convince Philadelphia to part with center Samuel Dalembert in a swap for Johnson.</div> Source (ESPN.com) Both teams would get better if they made this deal, the Suns get a legit center to contend in the West against the big guys such as KG or Duncan and the Sixers get 23-year old Joe Johnson who was coach by Obie at Bosten. Johnson has been lighting it up from downtown this season for the Suns, would fit in Obie's system perfectly. Philadelphia 76ers Lineup After Possible Trade: PG - Iverson SG - Johnson SF - Iguodala PF - Thomas C - Jackson The salery's don't match JJ for Dalembert so wewould probably have to throw in a player like Aaron McKie (which I don't think most of us would mind) ---------- Suns Lineup After Possible Trade: PG - Nash SG - Richardson SF - Marion PF - Amare C - Dalembert They get to move Marion back to the 3 and Amare back to the 4. They get a legit center to contend in the West with as well. As bad as I want Dalembert to stay a Sixer I would pull the trigger with this deal with the Suns, I think Dalembert for JJ (who is the same age) would be perfect.
This is a solid trade for both teams. The 76ers will probably lose Dalembert to free agency and landing an up and coming superstar in JJ would be great compensation for Dalembert. Joe Johnson finally gives the 76ers a second option to score the ball. He can score from all over the floor and rebounds well for a guard. Dalembert gets a change of scenery and will get the minutes in Phoenix to expand his game and benefit from Steve Nash throwing him lobs and setting him up on fast breaks. Both teams should pull the trigger on this deal.
I would love this trade for the Sixers. I know Sammy has a lot of potential, but Joe Johnson is a stud in my opinion. He would be a great solid second option for the Sixers. Let's hope this trade happens.
I would like this trade, Joe Johnson can shoot the ball really well and can take a little more pressure off of Iverson, because we might lose Sammy D to free agency anyway, so why not just trade him for JJ?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">This is a solid trade for both teams. The 76ers will probably lose Dalembert to free agency and landing an up and coming superstar in JJ would be great compensation for Dalembert. Joe Johnson finally gives the 76ers a second option to score the ball. He can score from all over the floor and rebounds well for a guard. Dalembert gets a change of scenery and will get the minutes in Phoenix to expand his game and benefit from Steve Nash throwing him lobs and setting him up on fast breaks. Both teams should pull the trigger on this deal.</div> Yeah that's exactly why I like this rumor, Joe Johnson gives a good second option on our team. That is something I think our team needs to be able to go far in the play offs. Dalembert will develop better with Steve Nash than Allen Iverson and Sammy doesn't fit in Obies system so The Susn should do it. As a Sixer I believe Joe Johnson can put up 20 PPG. Dalembert lso gives the Suns a pretty good defensive presence, something I think they need. I would love this deal t ogo through. Hopefully it will. Dalembert doesn'rt seem happy here anyway.
As I scrolled down this thread and noticed how many people wanted to part away with Dalembert, I have to admit I was surprised. Dalembert is a fan favorite in Philly and is dripping with potential. I for one would not do this trade because he is the future Center of this franchise. But as I came across shapecity?s post, I completely changed my mind... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The 76ers will probably lose Dalembert to free agency</div> As I read that portion of shapecity's post, my eyes literally lid up. When I realized that we may end up losing Dalembert by the end of the season, I then became in heavy favor of this trade. We all know that Dalembert isn't fitting into O'Brien system, thus he is upset and frustrated. That said we may most likely lose Dalembert via free agency. A coaching change may encourage Dalembert to stay because that coach philosophy could probably compliment Dalembert. But that a completely out of proportion (that's a out of the border) and I doubt a coaching change will happen anytime soon, so when you look at it Dalembert is as good as gone. Dalembert has a lot of value because of his potential and it would be a shame if we let him go for nothing in return. So yeah, let's just hope King goes for this trade. And as much as I love our young guys, one of them must go because we're a little too inexperienced if you ask me. I have to say, I have a good feeling about this trade. O?Brien was quick to pull the trigger on Johnson while he played for Boston, but O'Brien saw first hand on how Johnson evolved when the Suns whipped the 76ers. So if anything, I think O?Brien out of all people would encourage this trade because he?s not so big on young players, Dalembert especially. But let me say this, since most of you guys are in favor of this trade? Would you still do this trade with the contracts and money issues aside? Like Dalembert for Johnson straight up? I for one would not do this trade solely because we may end up letting Dalembert go for nothing. If Johnson and Dalembert contracts matched identically I would not do it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">But let me say this, since most of you guys are in favor of this trade? Would you still do this trade with the contracts and money issues aside? Like Dalembert for Johnson straight up? I for one would not do this trade solely because we may end up letting Dalembert go for nothing. If Johnson and Dalembert contracts matched identically I would not do it.</div> To answer your question, from a Philly POV I would not make this trade. One of the Golden Rules is to never trade away size, and with the upside of Dalembert the 76ers will have a hard time replacing him a few years from now. Besides, the 76ers are not exactly thin at the SG position. Allen Iverson, Willie Green, Aaron McKie, and Kedrick Brown can all play that position. The 76ers have been grooming Willie Green to eventually be the starter there once McKie hangs it up. Secondly, the 76ers don't have a big man to step in the middle if Marc Jackson gets in foul trouble or worse, gets injured. He's had a history of injuries, and he's 6 years older than Dalembert.
To answer your question, from a Philly POV I would not make this trade. One of the Golden Rules is to never trade away size, and with the upside of Dalembert the 76ers will have a hard time replacing him a few years from now. Besides, the 76ers are not exactly thin at the SG position. Allen Iverson, Willie Green, Aaron McKie, and Kedrick Brown can all play that position. The 76ers have been grooming Willie Green to eventually be the starter there once McKie hangs it up. Secondly, the 76ers don't have a big man to step in the middle if Marc Jackson gets in foul trouble or worse, gets injured. He's had a history of injuries, and he's 6 years older than Dalembert. Finally, the last time the 76ers sent over a young frontcourt player with talent, Charles Barkley, they got burnt in the deal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">To answer your question, from a Philly POV I would not make this trade. One of the Golden Rules is to never trade away size, and with the upside of Dalembert the 76ers will have a hard time replacing him a few years from now. Besides, the 76ers are not exactly thin at the SG position. Allen Iverson, Willie Green, Aaron McKie, and Kedrick Brown can all play that position. The 76ers have been grooming Willie Green to eventually be the starter there once McKie hangs it up. Secondly, the 76ers don't have a big man to step in the middle if Marc Jackson gets in foul trouble or worse, gets injured. He's had a history of injuries, and he's 6 years older than Dalembert. Finally, the last time the 76ers sent over a young frontcourt player with talent, Charles Barkley, they got burnt in the deal.</div> I agree with you that the Sixers are stacked at the guard spot, but none of them are really a #2 scorer, if the Sixers acquire JJ they will have a true #2 scorer, something they didn't have in a couple years. Plus, I don't think the Sixers are ready to offer Dalembert a contract near the max. Some other teams in the league are prepared to offer Dalembert a contract near the max, to which I think the Sixers won't match. My point is that why lose Dalembert in the off-season and get nothing for him while we can pull the trigger on this deal. I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me on this but I would rather offer JJ a max deal this off-season then Dalembert.
If you don't consider money issues and contracts, I definitely would not trade Dalembert for Johnson straight up. Dalembert just has way to much potential and value to give up. He's a lanky 6' 11" center that is a rebounding and shotblocking presence. Oh yeah, and not to mention he's one of the fastest centers around. Joe Johnson on the other hand I don't really see going anywhere in the NBA. He doesn't look like he can improve to the extent where he's going to be the talk of the NBA. Meanwhile, a lot of teams are already setting their sights and getting Dalembert- whether its through trade or the offseason. If we did trade Dalembert for Johnson, we would be stocked at the shooting guard position. That would definitely kill some of our young player's chances of development, something I think would hurt our team in the long run. The only problem I see is that O'Brien doesn't utilize Dalembert skill's effectively and just let's his potential go down the drain. Pretty much what is happening right now to him.
i dont think they need joe johnson they have iguodola... they need to keep sammy... if sixers wanaa make a trade then they should trade glenn
I doubt Samuel will be traded after tonights giant performance,I really hope he gets the same amount of minutes against the Heat and Jackson combines 20 minutes from PF and C position and doesn't play for 35 minutes at the C.
Sincs i dont know whether the sixers are over the cap or not i cant really say much. I just believe sammy has way too much potential to even consider a trade. In sammy's last game he had 24 PTS and 16 REBS in 35 MIN. Now i know that the sixers have needed a second legitimate scorerer for sometime. So two factors that would make this trade elligible in my books would be if; number one the suns were to throw in steven hunter, or the sixers knew for sure they could get someone legit via free agency with glenn coming off the books this offseason, or number two the sixers knew for sure that they were not going to be able to resign dalembert this offseason.
WEll sfter last nights game sammy was a beast 24 Points 16 Rebounds 4 Blocks If SAmmy could do something similoar to this morre consistantly I would be one happy son of a...... Don't you think the Sixers could pull something off here now that I think about. They trade Joe Johnson for SAmmy right before the deadline and then when Sammys a free agent they have Sammy and JJ! lol too bad that won't happen. If I was Billy King I would wait til the beginning of February and see what Sammys doing.
Joe Johnson is a hell of a player and I would hate to see him leave PHX but Suns need another big man and this sounds like a good trade to me IF Dalembert can run that fast break with the Suns... dont wanna mess up their offense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting FooDoggg3xB:</div><div class="quote_post">Joe Johnson is a hell of a player and I would hate to see him leave PHX but Suns need another big man and this sounds like a good trade to me IF Dalembert can run that fast break with the Suns... dont wanna mess up their offense.</div> Sammy Dalembert is a very young and athletic big man. There is no doubt that he will be able to take the fast break. If this trade went down I wouldn't be surprised if his PPG increased by 5. Steve Nash would like to alley oop it to him and feed him on the fast break, just like what he does for Amare Stoudemire.
