In the off-season there was a great discussion in the Warrior Forum on what Montgomery would bring as headcoach of the Warriors. His coaching style at Stanford and the college level was very successful, but there was doubt his X's and O's approach would work at the pro level. In his job interview, Chris Mullin addressed this concern, but was impressed with Montgomery's flexibility in his coaching style and willingness to try new things. That flexibility was never detailed out, but both Mullin and Montgomery shared the same concepts on coaching and how to manage a team. With 40 games into the season, what exactly is Montgomery's style of basketball? How are the Warriors adapting to it? Which Warriors are capable of thriving in his system and who is struggling with it? P.S. I'll try to find the link to the original debate and add it in this post. Here it is... http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17992
I dont think I could tell you his style cause I dont think the Warriors have even figured out what type of team they are but I heard for his style to be more effective the team needs a post threat that we dont have..I thought he lost a few games for us just by poor coach and use of players and I still dont agree with some of his lineup decisions but I think he still needs alot more time to adapt to the nba to be effective..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">Monty is a good coach, it's just he can't coach us through the zone</div> Or maybe our players cant be as effective against the zone..They shoot way too inconsistant and have no threat down low for the other team to worry about... Why do you think teams play zone against us in the first place..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UltimateWarrior:</div><div class="quote_post">Or maybe our players cant be as effective against the zone..They shoot way too inconsistant and have no threat down low for the other team to worry about... Why do you think teams play zone against us in the first place..</div> I think that's probably right, we lost our only legitimate wing shooter in Brian Cardinal, and then we lost Dampier who is one of the more stronger centers in the conference. That and the Warriors never really move that well off the ball or can handle the ball against a zone. Also Montgomery inherited this team when they were and still are nowhere near the type of organized ball they should be playing, so I doubt its his fault (I feel sorry for this guy he didn't get his players). The Warriors are also pretty horrible with the catch and shoot game, except for maybe Murphy who's been a little trigger happy from 3 point territory like the other players get like Pietrus, Jrich, Dunleavy, and Fisher. Plus, there's not a whole lot of options with the types of offense these guys provide without the skill or the mismatch in the post or driving toward the hoop off the dribble. Also, the floor spacing is sometimes hideous, players are out of position, nobody is boxing out or setting good screens, players aren't on the same page when running a set, and the only effective type of scoring comes when there are players that can create offense either by moving off the ball (which players often stand around), or having Speedy or Jrich make something happen with the ball in their hands. Besides the lack of shooting, I think there's definitely a drop off in talent when Dampier wasn't there to provide any down low scoring or to put a body on somebody. Foyle just can't rebound very well like he used to and he tries to do much, which leaves him vulnerable on defense. And then Dunleavy is just no good at the catch and shoot game because he is not that type of versatile player on offense like the guy who drafted him hoped he would be. He's very limited in the type of offensive duties he's left to take care of with Murph, Jrich and Speedy on the floor. Primarily, the outside shot off the catch is one thing we need otherwise Dunleavy is just another hybrid of Murphy/Jrich (except none of the shooting skills off the catch, only effective with the ball in his hands, inconsistent shot, can't get to the rim at will, often beat badly on defense). In addition he's not the best finisher and he's not that aggressive or quick in following his own missed shot, because he knows he'll probably get beat back on defense. This team definitely needs a better fit soon, because I don't believe it's just growing pains or the new coach or what not. It's the fact the pieces don't fit. They didn't fit very well last year, but at least they fit better with Nick Van Exel, who can run an offense and make fastbreaks successful unlike Fisher/Speedy. A legit catch and shoot 3 point shooter like we did last year with Brian Cardinal (Najera has been awesome, but he's been assigned to play power forward a lot when we need him to be more like a small forward on the wing). And then there was Dampier who had the all around defensive skills at center, some post offense that kept defenders honest and was made even better when NVE was in the game. NVE, Dampier, Cardinal leaving, just proves how we bad we can be with the type of players we've added and the ones we failed to sign this offseason to replace the ones we've traded away or lost to free agency. There's hardly an alley oops, the team chemistry seems worse, we can't bag on Jrich or Murphy because they are our best players and we should be thankful we even have them. Mama mia it's just a mess. As hardcore fans, we should have plenty to be upset about because it's OUR team and things aren't up to our expecations and they don't look they will ever be until management starts making decisions that make sense and give us flexibility to build in the only way we can, which is the draft. Nobody wants to come to Oakland, because no player in their right mind respects the management or the owner. Sorry to turn this into such a long thread, but that's why we can't beat the 3-2 zone: too many suits thinking their horsies are going to be players that they are not.
Monty has gotten the Warriors to play with more structure with an emphasis of increasing ball movement. Unfortunately, the Warriors do not have the players to take advantage of this system because some of the players think that if they have the open 3, its okay to just fire away. There is a fine line between good ball movement to get a good shot and movement and to paraphrase Rick Barry "take a shot that you can get anytime." The Warriors have failed to find that line.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Monty has gotten the Warriors to play with more structure with an emphasis of increasing ball movement. Unfortunately, the Warriors do not have the players to take advantage of this system because some of the players think that if they have the open 3, its okay to just fire away. There is a fine line between good ball movement to get a good shot and movement and to paraphrase Rick Barry "take a shot that you can get anytime." The Warriors have failed to find that line.</div> Totally agree. If you aren't an adept 3-point shooter, might as well take the ball into the 20-21 footer mark. That is if there's no time to set your feet after you dribble the ball further in. But man, if you're wide open and nobody is near you and there's plenty of time, might as well take a deep two rather than a sad 3 attempt.
His style is supposed to be a lot of Back-screens, Back-door cuts, Ball-Movement, and basically a lot of Cut/Screen/Pass plays ... but I haven't seen much since ... I've heard he's very clever when coming up with last possesion plays ... and from what seen ... I can say he can be ...
Yeah I like Monty. With the right players he can create a signature with this franchise. I believe he's that good. He's intense.
