Dealing Kwame

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  1. Mamba

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    As the games past, it is becoming more and more evident that we do not need Kwame. He has been injured all year, and it is really starting to shape up like a sign-and-trade for him in the offseason, so the point of this thread? Make some deals that are shipping out Kwame. Some interested teams would probably be New Orleans, Pheonix, Lakers, Atlanta, and New Jersey.

    Here is a deal with Atlanta:

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Washington trades: PF Kwame Brown
    Washington receives: Boris Diaw-Riffiod
    Predrag Drobnjak
    SF Josh Childress


    Atlanta trades: Boris Diaw-Riffiod
    Predrag Drobnjak
    SF Josh Childress
    Atlanta receives:PF Kwame Brown

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Due to Washington being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Washington had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.</div>
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">As the games past, it is becoming more and more evident that we do not need Kwame. He has been injured all year, and it is really starting to shape up like a sign-and-trade for him in the offseason, so the point of this thread? Make some deals that are shipping out Kwame. Some interested teams would probably be New Orleans, Pheonix, Lakers, Atlanta, and New Jersey.

    Here is a deal with Atlanta:</div>

    I'm not a fan of trading away potential inside of the division. Besides, 7'0" agile 270 pounders that can shoot at least 70% from the free throw line that are not even 23 years old yet are not easy to come by.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting eYeKey:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not a fan of trading away potential inside of the division. Besides, 7'0" agile 270 pounders that can shoot at least 70% from the free throw line that are not even 23 years old yet are not easy to come by.</div>

    Either am I, but his future is not in Washington. With Hughes doing better than expected, he will not take being 4th option. Gilbert is obviously number 1, with Jamison number 2. That leaves Kwame at the 4, something he will not settle for. This would cause too much turmoil in the team and disrupt everything.

    Trading Kwame would be best for both groups, Kwame and the Wizards. Kwame will not break out in Washington and his trade value is on a rapid decline because of injuries. I seriously would not be surprised if he is traded out before the deadline, if not then, more than likely the offseason.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Either am I, but his future is not in Washington. With Hughes doing better than expected, he will not take being 4th option. Gilbert is obviously number 1, with Jamison number 2. That leaves Kwame at the 4, something he will not settle for. This would cause too much turmoil in the team and disrupt everything.

    Trading Kwame would be best for both groups, Kwame and the Wizards. Kwame will not break out in Washington and his trade value is on a rapid decline because of injuries. I seriously would not be surprised if he is traded out before the deadline, if not then, more than likely the offseason.</div>

    I don't believe that Kwame has a problem being 4th option. Last year he basically begged through the Washington Post for the team to play 'within the offense' and to play selflessly. Even EJ has been quoted as saying 'Kwame needs to shoot more'. So I don't think Kwame will be complaining about shots. Besides, with the injury problem from this year, his market value will be more than affordable.
     
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    well personally kobe i like this trade.

    Being an atlanta fan, I would consider this trade if i knew for sure that Walker was not sighning back with our team. I believe that kwame would be a legit replacement for walker.

    Though i hate to see Pedrag and childress go if washington would consider throwing in dixon or blake then i would be satisfied.
     
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    This would be good only I dont wanna get rid of Childress. Why dont they throw in Dixon and I will be satisfied. I just dont see giving him up and 2 other guys for Kwawe.
     
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    I am sure Washington would throw in Dixon, he has fallen out of favor, although he could be climbing his way back up with his play as of late. What about Seattle? I know they were interested in him.

    Me, personally, I feel ATL is the best choice for Kwame. A young team that seems to finally have the right places in set. Josh Smith, Al Harrington, and Kwame could be an awesome combo for the future. I really don't see Childress getting to star status, he reminds me of a better Jared Jeffries...but not much better.
     
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    What's up with PJ Ramos? Does anyone know whats going on, with his situation? Is he out for the rest of the year?
     
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    He is just learning the game. He is only 19 I believe, new to the country...he is adapting to the situation.
     
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    Do u think he will be able to help out the Wiz next season? I really hope so, he is a great player. i was looking foward to seeing what he could do this season, since he blew it up in Puerto Rico.

    They put PJ on the injured list to open a spot for Kwame, but why, if he is still injured?
     
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    I really don't believe PJ is in our future. Brendan Haywood is an above average center. He has improved his offensive game and is a very underrated defender. I just don't see PJR in our future..

    Now lets get back on topic, Any other deals involving Kwame?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">I really don't believe PJ is in our future. Brendan Haywood is an above average center. He has improved his offensive game and is a very underrated defender. I just don't see PJR in our future..

    Now lets get back on topic, Any other deals involving Kwame?</div>

    I think that is a little rash considering the EG has said that he is a project that the team is taking on. Why not let a 7'4" center that is quick with soft touch develop? He could quite possibly turn out quite nicely. And someone that tall that doesn't move like Shawn Bradley is hard to come by.
     
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    That is true, but we won't need him if Brendan Haywood keeps playing like he has. Haywood is 7'1, can score and plays great D. There isn't much more that PJR can do for us than that. He won't be a star on this team, the surroundings of Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison won't let him.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">That is true, but we won't need him if Brendan Haywood keeps playing like he has. Haywood is 7'1, can score and plays great D. There isn't much more that PJR can do for us than that. He won't be a star on this team, the surroundings of Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison won't let him.</div>


    True, but the only problem with Haywood is that he has a pattern of playing well for a stretch, then disappearing for at least 2 consecutive games. Until he can prove to be the answer at C night in, night out I will always have a somewhat skeptical opinion of him.
     
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    I think PJR can be in the Wizards future as a backup center, but we'll see what happens. Juan Dixon won't be traded at this point, the management isn't going to make a move like that with Hughes out.

    Even when Hughes returns they won't want to trade him till after the season because of the chemistry the team has. I don't think Kwame will move till after the season either, but he has a higher chance of being traded before the deadline.
     
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    If he isn't gone by the deadline. We won't get anything in return. I don't think we will match an offer for him because we will put all our money towards Hughes.

    I still believe Kwame will get a hefty contract. He is a big boy (no homo). 7 feet, 273 pounds (most of it muscle). All the skills in the world, look for him to get a big contract.
     
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    How about Samaki and Kwame for Artest? The problem is, if Kwame does explode, a tandem of him and Jermaine would scary...especially because they are best of friends.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
    Indiana trades: SF Ron Artest (24.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.1 apg in 41.6 minutes)
    Indiana receives: PF Kwame Brown (5.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.9 minutes)
    PF Samaki Walker (1.7 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.5 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: -17.3 ppg, -1.8 rpg, and -2.0 apg.

    Washington trades: PF Kwame Brown (5.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.9 minutes)
    PF Samaki Walker (1.7 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.5 minutes)
    Washington receives: SF Ron Artest (24.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.1 apg in 41.6 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +17.3 ppg, +1.8 rpg, and +2.0 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Due to Indiana and Washington being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Washington had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.</div>
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Washington trades: SF Jared Jeffries (6.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.7 apg in 24.1 minutes)
    PG Juan Dixon (8.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 16.1 minutes)
    PF Kwame Brown (5.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.9 minutes)
    Washington receives: C Jamaal Magloire (14.1 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 1.6 apg in 32.8 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: -7.0 ppg, -0.9 rpg, and -3.0 apg.

    New Orleans trades: C Jamaal Magloire (14.1 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 1.6 apg in 32.8 minutes)
    New Orleans receives: SF Jared Jeffries (6.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.7 apg in 24.1 minutes)
    PG Juan Dixon (8.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 16.1 minutes)
    PF Kwame Brown (5.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.9 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +7.0 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +3.0 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED</div>
    How about this trade? The Wizards get an All Star Center and a legit player who can score in the post. Magloire is also capable of playing PF, which would give them an option to play Haywood and Magloire at the same time.

    It's tough for the Wizards to get fair value for Kwame because of his low base salary. Their best option might be to pull off a sign and trade in the off-season.
     
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    I would do that, a front court of Magloire and Haywood would be huge.

    Kwame and JR Smith would also be huge for the Hornets..if there are any moves though, it will be a sign and trade in the offseason.
     
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    Man, I like Jared Jeffries though, the Artest for Kwame and Samaki was on RealGM, the WIzards do need perimeter defense, and with Arenas defense improving, Hughes defense, and Artest, that's on crazy backcourt defense.

    Kwame and JO in Indiana would be pretty scary though, they're buddies, and that would be a defensive beastly frontcourt.
     

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