Ok, before everyone jumps on my back and starts telling me how Pietrus is untouchable let me say a few things... 1. Pietrus probably has the best trade value on our team for the price... 2. With Dunleavy here he is never going to start 3. Is too raw I know it sounds stupid but how does this sound? Trade Pietrus for some big body like Curry. Let Dunleavy go as a FA or trade. Draft this kid... http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/marvinwilliams.asp I think this kid is going to be another Carmelo Anthony with his skills. He plays the same position as Dunleavy with alot more athleticism. We can get a Center like Curry and give him an extension and let Biedrens develop.
First, there is zero way for us to get Curry. Like Richardson, Curry played horribly in Nov. But, he really picked up his game as well as Bulls rec, and he is pretty much a lock to get max for Chicago. In contrast, Pietrus had horrible Jan., and his trading value is lower than Dunleavy for sure at this point. Well, at this point, excluding SG and Murphy like PF, any good players are welcome...
I'm not opposed to anyone on this roster being traded. Except for Jrich, as long as he continues to work hard on defense, stays consistent and get better at his free throws and three point shooting. Out of all the players Jrich probably has all the right tools to be a star and the desire to lead a team. Nobody else on this team does right now. And besides I doubted Jrich this year, so now I gotta be a believer.
I agree that no should be totally untouchable. As was already stated, Curry will be tough to get considering the Bulls recent rise. Easier and more realistic targets will have to be guys on teams that are rebuilding. Still, I'd rather hang onto Pietrus because the trade targets are sparse this year. We have to be patient and let these guys develop.
Don't forget athleticism of Pietrus's kind are a rarity. When he develops the skills at least on the pace of Jrich we'll have a very special player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Warriorsfansnc- i thought you were the one who wanted to get rid of these crazy trade talks? </div> You got me At least it is not some crazy trade scenario where we trade Dunleavy, Fisher, Foyle, DD, and Cliffy for T mac...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">^That would be great</div> I second that.
The one trade that needs to happen is Fisher and Cliffy for Kandi and Hudson. It would benifet us well
I'd like him on the Raptors, but we don't have anything to trade. The Wizards on the other hand could use a player like Pietrus at SF, but I would'nt want to trade Kwame whcih would likely be the wanted guy. He's a very good one on one post defender, and has good offense, but he's been injured this season. I wouldn't do a Kwame for Pietrus one on one trade, but their could be other possibilities. The only problem with that is that is could mean Jamison would stay at PF which isn't nice.
^ If Mullin were to get rid of Pietrus, it would be for someone like Jumaine Jones. However, I wouldn't trade Pietrus unless it were for someone really good. Pietrus has the potential to be a defender compareable to Ron Artest, (without being cuckoo though) and a scorer that could compliment J-Rich how Ricky Davis is doing with Paul Pierce
Pietrus and Robinson for Rafael Araujo and Lamond Murray Come on, you saw what Hoffa did to you guys when the Raps were in GS.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">The one trade that needs to happen is Fisher and Cliffy for Kandi and Hudson. It would benifet us well</div> I have only heard this rumor on this forum. Where is the rumor for this founded on? I would do that trade in a heartbeat...
Pietrus has a moderate salary,is still improving,is versatile and plays D. Only if someone wants him so bad they offer a lot would I deal him. I watched Marvin Williams and Sheldon Williams this week,give me Sheldon. Marvin has great touch outside,runs well,but is soft and lazy inside. Inside on D he failed to take the step to the guy with the ball or raaise an arm,so people got uncontested shots,so he turns around,and now he does not bother to move into rebounding position. His D and rebounding are piss poor for his athletic tools,he may as well be 6-6. Sheldon demands every rebound and being 6-9 260 he gets plenty. On D he is a force,think Ben Wallace,among NCAA leaders in blocks. Sheldon has the long reach of a taller guy and his footwork and positioning are textbook. S Williams won't take 3"s but he has a great blend of power,skill and quickness inside
^That sounds real good. However, I really want a SG to back-up J-Rich and trade Dunleavy so Pietrus can start
For anyone who wants to trade any of the young core on this team, I want you to stop and think. Look at Richardson and Murphy, and think about how often your opinion of those two has changed from the time they were drafted. Every young player is going to go through his own ups and downs. As they take on bigger roles in the offense, other teams begin to game plan for them and they take away the stuff each player does best. The player has to keep adding things to his game until the other team can't take away everything on D. Richardson is a perfect example of this, he started out as just a dunker, he's now a legit triple threat to shoot, pass, or drive every time he's got the ball in his hands. It's really not my intention to insult anyone on this board, but I really do find it funny to see how quickly and drastically the consensus opinion about a particular player can change among Warrior fans. Everyone seems to want change, whether it be a coaching change, a new GM, or trading players, but you have to realize that all those things do is set the team back. Every time you make a change, there's going to be a 50% chance that the team will improve over the long run, but there's a 99.99% chance that the team will be worse in the short term because of the disruption of chemestry. I understand the frustration surrounding Pietrus right now. He's been with the team for a year and a half, but he doesn't seem like he's progressing. Basically what's happened is the shine has worn off him in the eyes of many fans, but he hasn't learned enough to really start to produce. Well guys, get used to it. Pietrus is a project, and as much as I've lobbied to continue to give Dunleavy playing time over Pietrus because of Dunleavy's unique skill set, the same can be said for Pietrus. He's still a terrific athlete and a lock down defender, those things are as hard to come by as Dunleavy's skills. Pietrus' problem from last year to now is that he's struggling to learn how to play defense Montgomery's way. You can see thw wheels turning, but the new style is unnatural to him, so as a result he has to think about thinks and ends up making a lot of dumb mistakes. It sucks to see him playing so badly, but this is one of those things where it has to get worse before it gets better. Wait, be patient, give the guys time. I know a lot of fans will say, "we've been patient long enough, we want to see results," but guess what, when the team keeps changing things, the process has to start all over again. The Warriors look like they've got sg and pf all taken care of long term with Richardson and Murphy, they just need to keep the young core together long enough to figure out the other three positions. And, in my humble opinion, I think they should try something new for a change: developing their own players (hey, it worked with Richardson and Murphy, despite the fact that fans wanted to trade both of them numerous times). Okay, that's about all I have, I'm going to go back to having my towel over my head, I'll come out again when things start to look better.
You would know best WtWalker77, you are like a basketball guru to this forum Pietrus is still one of my faves and although I respect Dunleavy's all around skills in the mold of Antoine Walker/Joe Johnson/Toni Kukoc, the W's have to either start playing to his strengths utilizing more screens or pick and rolls or Dunleavy's going to have to adjust to what the team needs him to do which is to play defense straight up by keeping his man in front of him, show a little post game like he's been doing recently, and hitting the outside jumper even though it's not his strength. Dunleavy can't get faster but he can get stronger. I've yet to see that upside from Dunleavy because he wasn't an unquestionable star like Larry Bird when he came out of college. Also Pietrus can learn Dunleavy's skillset and improve his decision making where he can be a really dangerous threat on-on-one or off a screen or slashing into the lane.
At best this season is about trying to build a base. Montgomery will need to see that he needs to create a system that works for players he has-while expanding every player's skills and value. Pietrus has yet to establish his value,he is a backup on a not-so-good team so we will not get a starter with proven skills and certainly not a decent young 7 footer. Having wasted a lot of what trade value the team had, the Warriors can't be dealing off what foundation they have-basically Murphy,Richardson,and maybe Speedy,and it would be too soon to deal Pietrus or Biedrens. Davis,Robinson and Cheany are of some use to some teams,as a patch or because of expiring contracts but that won't bring a lot. That pretty much leaves Dunleavy. How do other team GM's see him? Probably opinion varies. Warrior fans,and St Jean,had high hopes,but I think he is about where I expected. If he becomes a clutch shooter and a pretty good defender he'd gain market value,as is, the best deal we could get may be a draft pick.
