1 Kobe Bryant 2 Kevin Garnett 3 Shaquille O'Neal 4 Tim Duncan 5 Amare Stoudemire 6 Dirk Nowitzki 7 Jason Kidd 8 Dwayne Wade 9 Allen Iverson 10 Lebron James 11 Vince Carter 12 Andrei Kirelenko 13 Manu Ginobili 14 Ray Allen 15 Paul Pierce 16 Corey Maggette 17 Peja Stojakovic 18 Antoine Walker 19 Grant Hill 20 Steve Francis
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bigsheldy:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Kevin Garnett 2. Shaq 3. Kobe Bryant 4. Steve Nash 5. LeBron James 6. Jason Kidd 7. Allen Iverson 8. Tim Duncan 9. Tracy McGrady 10. Dwayne Wade 11. Ray Allen 12. Dirk Nowitzki 13. Amare Stoudemire 14. Brad Miller 15. Stephon Marbury 16. Richard Jefferson 17. Jermaine O'Neal 18. Steve Francis 19. Vince Carter 20. Chris Webber</div> You seem to have forgotten this season when making this list. Brad miller 14?! Lebron james below steve nash and kobe bryant? JKidd number 6? Iverson above Duncan? CHris Webber on the list? Ben Wallace not? ANd most importantly wheres Darko?
1.Tim Duncan 2.Kevin Garnett 3.STEVE NASH 4.Shaq 5.Lebron James 6.Allen Iverson 7.Dwyane Wade 8.Ray Allen 9.Kobe Bryant 10.Ben Wallace!!!! 11.Dirk Nowitzki 12.Amare Stoudamire 13.Richard Jefferson 14.Andrei Kirilenko 15.Vince Carter(has gotten into the top 20 since he actually started playin) 16.Rip Hamilton 17.Shawn Marion 18.Mike Redd 19.Stephon Marbury 20.Emeka Okafor(gotta have at least one rookie)
1.Tim Duncan 2.Kevin Garnett 3.Shaq 4. Steve Nash 5.Kobe Bryant 6.Allen Iverson 7.Ray Allen 8.LeBron James 9.Ben Wallace 10.Andrei Kirilenko 11.Dirk Nowitzki 12.Amare Stoudamire 13.Tracy McGrady 14. Dwyane Wade 15. Mike Bibby 16.Rip Hamilton 17.Shawn Marion 18. Paul Pierce 19. Captain Kirk Heinrich 20. Steve Francis
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jwohl:</div><div class="quote_post">You seem to have forgotten this season when making this list. Brad miller 14?! Lebron james below steve nash and kobe bryant? JKidd number 6? Iverson above Duncan? CHris Webber on the list? Ben Wallace not? ANd most importantly wheres Darko? </div> Who cares man, it's their list, not yours.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">James at number one already, Avery?</div> Yes. The way he turned this franchise around is completely amazing. It's harder than you think to turn a franchise around that had such a losing atmosphere surrounding it for so long. But yet, this 20 year old kid playing in just his second year has took average players and making them play at their best and at the same time revived a winning aura around the Gund Arena. Jeff McInnis and Drew Gooden are having career years. Zydrunasis Ilgauskas is opening many eyes. And how many people actually knew who Ira Newble was until this season? So to be concise the way he's impacted this team and the LEAGUE for that matter is simply amazing. When MVP talks are in discussion, seven out of ten people would probably pick Nash over James. However, when you look on paper, the Suns already had amazing talent in Stoudemire, Marion and Johnson. So when you added Steve Nash and Richardson to that equation you would expect this team to do this well (just not this well). But the Suns improving the way they have would be by far much more expected opposed to this Cleveland Cavalier team. And how can Nash be a MVP when he's such a huge liability on the defense end? LeBron can also be vulnerable on the defensive end, but not nearly as much as Nash is. Now I don?t want to get into a whole discussion with who should be MVP, Nash or Lebron. Again the way LeBron plays/changed this game and winning attitude that he?s brought to this team should be glorified with an MVP award. -- Btw, I think Allen Iverson is ranked pretty low on many people lists. He's having a better year than his MVP year, believe it or not. And as much as I think this 76ers team is good, Allen Iverson is doing something pretty much out of nothing. Iverson Playing At MVP Level
I understand with what you're saying Avery. That's why I listed LeBron above T-Mac and Kobe, for many of those reasons. Although he's not a very good defender right now like them, he's a better team player along with many other things. I don't want to get into the whole MVP thing either, but just look at the Suns record without Steve Nash in the lineup, and games where he left the game. That should help his MVP case.
A lot of very good points, Avery. He has turned that whole city and franchise around, there is no doubt about that. Without James, no one on the Cavaliers would be any good, so yes, he is a huge impact player. I still can't say that he is number one in the whole League when you have Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. But, give him a couple years to bring up his defensive skills and just keep honing in on his skills, and I am sure I will be agreeing with you. As for the MVP thing, I do have James as mine this year. Nash is having a great year, but he is loaded with so much talent. You could probably throw Tyronn Lue on that team and he would be having an amazing year. And people use the argument, "Look what the Suns can't do without Nash." I dare you to take James off the Cavaliers for the same amount of time, and see how they do.
I know, I know, I was just trying to prove my point. Which is that any decent point guard would be striving on that Suns team right now.
Tim Duncan Kobe Bryant Shaquille O'Neal Kevin Garnett Tracy McGrady Lebron James Dirk Nowitzki Ray Allen Allen Iverson Jason Kidd Chris Webber Shawn Marion Jermaine O'neal Amare Stoudemire Paul Pierce Steve Nash Steve Francis Andrei Kirilenko Dwyane Wade Gilbert Arenas 21. Anfernee Hardaway Outside the top 15 or even the top 10 it becomes very close to call, you can go a lot ways, and yes I know I left out Elton Brand, Richard Hamilton, Ben Wallace etc ..... that's what I meant by being very close to call. Yo og15, man you do know you left Shawn Marion ....... I was surprised to see that from you. You don't think he is?
1. Vince Carter 2. Steve Nash 3. Tim Duncan 4. LeBron James 5. Amare Stoudamire 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Kevin Garnett 8. Dwyane Wade 9. Kobe Bryant 10. Allen Iverson 11. Tracy McGrady 12. Jason KIdd 13. Dirk Nowitzki 14. Paul Pierce 15. Ray Allen 16. Andrei Kirilkenko 17. Chris Webber 18. Peja Stojakovic 19. Carmelo Anthony 20. Shawn Marion
1 Marion 2 Garnett 3 Nash 4 Duncan 5 Bryant 6 Iverson 7 Nowitzki 8 McGrady 9 Allen 10 Kirilenko 11 James 12 Wade 13 Brand 14 J. O'Neal 15 Marbury 16 S.O'Neal 17 A. Stoudemire 18 Pierce 19 B.Wallace 20 Arenas Sorry to... Ginobili Oft Injured B.Davis Webber Scorers with little else Stojakovic Redd Jamison Jackass Artest Turnover machines Francis Jefferson Poor shooting %ers Walker Murphy Kidd and Hughes whom I like very much but hasn't been good long enough I also think Donyell Marshall is one of the best all around players in the league but I don't feel like arguing for days about why he made my list.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know, I know, I was just trying to prove my point. Which is that any decent point guard would be striving on that Suns team right now.</div> I just can't pass up any attempt to make fun of Tyronn Lue, he isn't that bad though... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Vince Carter 2. Steve Nash</div> That was definately surprising lol <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yo og15, man you do know you left Shawn Marion ....... I was surprised to see that from you. You don't think he is?</div> I forgot him, I left out Tmac when I firstdid mine too, must've slipped my mind...
I usually don't like to openly criticize, but how do you put Marion as number one in the League? I mean, I wouldn't even consider him top ten. He barely made my top twenty list. He has some amazing dunks, and great defense, but he is in no way number one material. Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, LeBron James, and Dirk Nowitzki all should come before him. If you could get to talk to Marion, and asked him if he was the best player in the League, I bet even he would say no. Also, Tesh15, do you honestly as an unbiased fan think that Vince Carter is better than Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant? He may be fascinating on the highlight reel, but when you look at his overall attitude to the game, I really don't think he deserves it. I can tell he is your favorite player, and that is fine, but I think you have taken it too far. Maybe I am the mistaken one. Is this list supposed to be the top twenty in the League skill-wise, or our favorite players?
1. Garnett 2. Duncan 3. McGrady 4. Nash 5. Bryant 6. Iverson 7. James 8. Shaq 9. Nowitski 10. Stoudemire 11. Davis 12. Allen 13. Francis 14. Wade 15. Brand 16. Carter 17. AK-47 18. Ben Wallace 19. Peirce 20. Marion
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I usually don't like to openly criticize, but how do you put Marion as number one in the League? I mean, I wouldn't even consider him top ten. He barely made my top twenty list. He has some amazing dunks, and great defense, but he is in no way number one material. Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, LeBron James, and Dirk Nowitzki all should come before him. If you could get to talk to Marion, and asked him if he was the best player in the League, I bet even he would say no. Also, Tesh15, do you honestly as an unbiased fan think that Vince Carter is better than Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant? He may be fascinating on the highlight reel, but when you look at his overall attitude to the game, I really don't think he deserves it. I can tell he is your favorite player, and that is fine, but I think you have taken it too far. Maybe I am the mistaken one. Is this list supposed to be the top twenty in the League skill-wise, or our favorite players?</div> I was a little confused myself at both scenario's, Marion is at best between 15-20, and Vince isn't even close to #1, he's between 18-20 if he would be in the top 20. I guess some people just can't get over the bias....and maybe odde23's list was for fantasy basketball
1. Kevin Garnett 2. Tim Duncan 3. Kobe Bryant 4. Lebron James 5. Dirk Nowitzki 6. Shaquelle O'Neal 7. Tracy McGrady 8. Allen Iverson 9. Amare Stoudemire 10. Dwyane Wade 11. Jermaine O'Neal 12. Steve Nash 13. Ray Allen 14. Steve Francis 15. Vince Carter 16. Paul Pierce 17. Andrei Kirilenko 18. Jason Kidd 19. Shawn Marion 20. Chris Bosh I just wanted to see Bosh get at least a point
1. Kevin Garnett 2. Shaquille O'Neal 3. LeBron James 4. Tim Duncan 5. Tracy McGrady 6. Dirk Nowitzki 7. Jermaine O'Neal 8. Kobe Bryant 9. Allen Iverson 10. Steve Francis 11. Chris Webber 12. Steve Nash 13. Dwayne Wade 14. Ray Allen 15. Amare Stoudemire 16. Jason Kidd 17. Gilbert Arenas 18. Stephon Marbury 19. Vince Carter 20. Grant Hill
