From: Wake Forest [imgl]http://www.draftcity.com/headshots/chrispaul.gif[/imgl] Height: 5?11-6?0 Weight: 168 Positions: PG Age: 19 I would also like Chris Paul. Yes, I know we have Marbruy but, who here really wants Marbury? I mean he is nice and I wish I even had at least half of his skill but Marbury is a loser he said it himself. We don?t need Marbury really running the floor general for us. Chris Paul is a natural born leader and believe it or not a site I was at the other day said he could develop into the next Isiah Thomas, the other one said a Kenny Anderson. Marbury is a great guard but he isn?t the leader we need him to be. Unless Marbury has another person leading the team, then it?s cool but we simply don?t have that. Marbury is a role player and we need him to do that. Something that I wouldn?t mind at all is a top draft choice for him and maybe a future 1st rounder for him. He is a little small and needs to bulk up. This could lead to possible injuries. He hasn?t shown his range that much and he relies too much on his quickness. He is a good defender who just like Ariza, steals those bad passes but, he does take many risks. That?s similar to what Iverson does a lot. Overall he is a great player and will only get better. He has a great work ethic and him along with developing Sweetney and Ariza, will only make the Knicks a great team for the future. I have watched a couple of Wake Forest games and he is nice. His handle is serious. He is ambidextrous with both hands, no joke. He is an excellent passer and is a good creator. I am very confident he will develop to a great player and possibly hall of famer, that?s how good he is.
Please let's get a big man. No guards pretty please. If we get a center that can block shots, rebounds, has a jumper and a reasonable amount of potential I will be deliriously happy. But enough of the smalls. Guards are a dime a dozen whereas quality big men are hard to find these days. So let's pick up a center that can compliment Sweetney in the future. I really do wish we still had Lampe I think they could have been a great duo.
^We need a good point guard though. Marbury is more of a scorer that can pass pretty well. We need someone who can distribute the rock. I think that if we get a shot blocker wouldn't that make our perimeter defense even weaker? I mean they already have a bad attitude on defense but, now that they have a shot blocker, it will make them play even lazier. We don't want to see that, especially putting so much pressure on a young rookie. Nazr has been playing well too. Also a decent big man can be picked up in the second round too.
We DONT NEED A BIG MAN WITH A JUMPER!!!!! We need a brute that we could just throw the ball to and he'll bang it. Not take it back out and hit a jumper, thats what Kurt Thomas is for. I wouldnt draft anyone from over seas. They almost always turn out to be over rated and have subpar carreers in the NBA. We need to go after warrick and trade crawford/Ariza
^Well if he could step way out and drain 3's like Nowitzki, that'll be cool too but, I get what you're saying. If we are getting rid of anyone it ought to be Crawford. Too many bad habits that prove very costly down the stretch. There are mad European prospects. I'll give you a couple but, I've never saw them play or heard of them. I heard that... Martynas Andriuskevicius is projected by some to be like Zdrunas Ilguaskas Tiago Splitter is projected by some as the next Pau Gasol Nemanja Aleksandrov I never heard of this guy but he is supposed to be a lottery pick. Maybe we should stay here. I want a decent pick not any risk.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">We DONT NEED A BIG MAN WITH A JUMPER!!!!! We need a brute that we could just throw the ball to and he'll bang it. Not take it back out and hit a jumper, thats what Kurt Thomas is for. I wouldnt draft anyone from over seas. They almost always turn out to be over rated and have subpar carreers in the NBA. We need to go after warrick and trade crawford/Ariza</div> I didnt say a big man with just a jumper. I said a big man that can rebound, block shots, has potential and a jumper. We're talking about the future here Kurt Thomas probably wont be here at the start of next season let alone for another four or five years. Sweetney will be the guy that we feed in the low post. We dont need two low post threats. We need someone that will compliment Sweetney well. Why would waste a lottery pick on a small when quality big men are so hard to find? Warrick will at the most become another high flying scorer that you cant build your team around. Wouldnt you rather have two good young big men as a solid foundation and build around them? It would be smarter to keep the nucleas we have now(Sweetney, Ariza and Crawford) and add to it. I'm guessing you wouldnt have drafted Dirk, Big Z, Pau Gasol, Yao, Sabonis, Mutumbo or Tim Duncan. Overseas players arent the only ones overrated and have subpar careers, we have plenty of homegrown players that are overrated and go on to have subpar careers. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">I heard that... Martynas Andriuskevicius is projected by some to be like Zdrunas Ilguaskas Tiago Splitter is projected by some as the next Pau Gasol Nemanja Aleksandrov I never heard of this guy but he is supposed to be a lottery pick. Maybe we should stay here. I want a decent pick not any risk.</div> You want to hear something funny, that guy we traded to get Marbury, Lampe, he was projected to be the next Dirk Nowitzki and he dominated the summer league along with Sweetney although I dont know how he's doing now. Last I checked he was stuck on the Suns' bench. Overseas big men are better than our own big men. Our big men bang, their big men do everything else. They have the fundamentals pat down, can shoot, can pass and will learn new tricks. You dont want to take a risk, you just want a decent pick? Sounds kind of like what the Knicks are doing. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win. I'd rather take a chance and draft a potentially great player that will make a huge different in the future then a player that will be maybe a little bit better than average and wont be huge difference maker. So buy American but draft overseas.
Dirk- You got me on this one. Big Z-No i would not have Drafted Him. Pau Gasol- No i would not have Drafted him. Yao- No i would not have drafted him. Sabonis - Yes i would have drafted him. (Wasnt he like the G.O.A.T of Europe?) Mutumbo - Geroge Town I dont know about this guy. Tim Duncan - Wake Forrest Yes i would have drafted him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So buy American but draft overseas.</div> That is now my favorite quote.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">Dirk- You got me on this one. Big Z-No i would not have Drafted Him. Pau Gasol- No i would not have Drafted him. Yao- No i would not have drafted him. Sabonis - Yes i would have drafted him. (Wasnt he like the G.O.A.T of Europe?) Mutumbo - Geroge Town I dont know about this guy. Tim Duncan - Wake Forrest Yes i would have drafted him.</div> I know I got you on the Dirk one. Big Z is one of the best centers in the league. He's a true, blue, traditional center that can shoot. How can you not like him?? Pau Gasol is a great powerforward and if I remember correctly outplayed Duncan in the Olympics(Team USA should have lost against Spain). Mutumbo is one of the greatest shot blockers in NBA history. As for Yao...I dont know what to say. Yao is the second best center in the league and lately it looks like he's gotten his act together because he's doing a great job. Oh yeah I forgot about Kareem Abdul Jabbar. You wouldnt draft him?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">I know I got you on the Dirk one. Big Z is one of the best centers in the league. He's a true, blue, traditional center that can shoot. How can you not like him?? Pau Gasol is a great powerforward and if I remember correctly outplayed Duncan in the Olympics(Team USA should have lost against Spain). Mutumbo is one of the greatest shot blockers in NBA history. As for Yao...I dont know what to say. Yao is the second best center in the league and lately it looks like he's gotten his act together because he's doing a great job. Oh yeah I forgot about Kareem Abdul Jabbar. You wouldnt draft him?</div> See the thing is I would dratf a player if he played in the U.S and had the same stats. But players who've only played over seas I wouldnt draft. Just look at that guy who used to be on the suns. They clamed he was the Japanese Jordan..... Where is now? Yao was amped up to be the next shaq. IMO Eddy Curry will be better than him. Illgaukus is good but not really my type of player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">You want to hear something funny, that guy we traded to get Marbury, Lampe, he was projected to be the next Dirk Nowitzki and he dominated the summer league along with Sweetney although I dont know how he's doing now. Last I checked he was stuck on the Suns' bench. Overseas big men are better than our own big men. Our big men bang, their big men do everything else. They have the fundamentals pat down, can shoot, can pass and will learn new tricks. You dont want to take a risk, you just want a decent pick? Sounds kind of like what the Knicks are doing. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win. I'd rather take a chance and draft a potentially great player that will make a huge different in the future then a player that will be maybe a little bit better than average and wont be huge difference maker. So buy American but draft overseas.</div> Yeah I know. He's with the Hornets now though. I heard that he was supposed to be a lottery pick but, he had problems with his contract and stuff. I liked him too but, we all know Isiah Thomas I understand about their fundamentals but, there are tons of European busts out there. I guess we owe it to them to actually take a look at them I doubt any of us here have seen them play but, just depend on the opinions of others. Once June rolls around, I think we can start making a more accurate analysis though. Guards are a dime a dozen but, hall of fame guards aren't really. This Paul guy has some serious potential. I mean real point guards are very rare. Nowadays, point guards look to score more and create for themselves rather than others. Now that we have one with some serious potential, I think we ought to take a look at that. He is really good, he will make the other players around him look like stars. Also these guards that we have don't play any defense whatsoever. I think Mohammed is a decent center but, how frustrating is it when he has to switch up on someone else?s man because of the constant mistakes from the guys on the perimeter. There are tons of legit big men in the that are projected to be drafted in the second round. Many GM?s want what you were just talking about?a home grown player so that will leave us with more opportunities to draft overseas. Also international players tend not to really have a knack for playing the way you were talking about. A lot of them from what I have seen are more offensive oriented and don?t really have a knack for shot blocking. I would want a decent big man too with a nice little jumper that will compliment Sweetney well too. I think Marbury distributing for us is not good. We need a point guard. The only reason why we made the blockbuster last January was so we can get a 1guard but, we still don?t have one?we have an undersized shooting guard with some good passing skills. The point guard is the most important position in basketball and after seeing point guards like Nash and especially Kidd work Magic on teams, I think that?s what we need. Ariza, and Sweetney will flourish because of the distribution of the ball and even more importantly, the whole team will flourish. New York is a mediocre passing team at #16 in the league and it?s such a shame because we have so many great options.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">See the thing is I would dratf a player if he played in the U.S and had the same stats. But players who've only played over seas I wouldnt draft. Just look at that guy who used to be on the suns. They clamed he was the Japanese Jordan..... Where is now? Yao was amped up to be the next shaq. IMO Eddy Curry will be better than him. Illgaukus is good but not really my type of player.</div> The Japnese Jordan? I didn't know he was supposed to be that good. Also on the Nuggets Nikolz Tskvitjksnoj or what ever is name is. That's what I don't want. A proven guy is what I would take. I think I might even take a high schooler before an unproven European player too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">See the thing is I would dratf a player if he played in the U.S and had the same stats. But players who've only played over seas I wouldnt draft. Just look at that guy who used to be on the suns. They clamed he was the Japanese Jordan..... Where is now? Yao was amped up to be the next shaq. IMO Eddy Curry will be better than him. Illgaukus is good but not really my type of player.</div> So there have been some disappointments regarding overseas players that will of course happen. There are alot of homegrown players that have turned into disappointments. For the record I liked Tabuse(I think that was his name). So what if Yao doesnt become the next Shaq? He's still the second best center in the league. I hope you were joking when you said that Curry will be better than Yao. Yao is just better than Curry. I could point out why but there is no need to, that's how much better Yao is(and always will be) than Curry. By the way Curry was thought to be the next Shaq as well and look at him now. There are too many good players overseas to say that you wouldnt draft anyone from overseas especially considering the way we had our heads handed to us in the Olympics.
Yes in a league of how many get good centers? I think hes the 2nd best player in the league because hes the only center in the league thats a #1/2 scoring option. Brad Miller is putting up close stats and so is Ilgaukus. As a matter of fact the second best center in the league would really be Amare. And believe it or not Eddy Curry isnt to far behind. About the Olympics. If our team was allowed to run like every other NBA filled team was allowed to to instead of trying to play half court we would have easilly one the gold metal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah I know. He's with the Hornets now though. I heard that he was supposed to be a lottery pick but, he had problems with his contract and stuff. I liked him too but, we all know Isiah Thomas I understand about their fundamentals but, there are tons of European busts out there. I guess we owe it to them to actually take a look at them I doubt any of us here have seen them play but, just depend on the opinions of others. Once June rolls around, I think we can start making a more accurate analysis though. Guards are a dime a dozen but, hall of fame guards aren't really. This Paul guy has some serious potential. I mean real point guards are very rare. Nowadays, point guards look to score more and create for themselves rather than others. Now that we have one with some serious potential, I think we ought to take a look at that. He is really good, he will make the other players around him look like stars. Also these guards that we have don't play any defense whatsoever. I think Mohammed is a decent center but, how frustrating is it when he has to switch up on someone else?s man because of the constant mistakes from the guys on the perimeter. There are tons of legit big men in the that are projected to be drafted in the second round. Many GM?s want what you were just talking about?a home grown player so that will leave us with more opportunities to draft overseas. Also international players tend not to really have a knack for playing the way you were talking about. A lot of them from what I have seen are more offensive oriented and don?t really have a knack for shot blocking. I would want a decent big man too with a nice little jumper that will compliment Sweetney well too. I think Marbury distributing for us is not good. We need a point guard. The only reason why we made the blockbuster last January was so we can get a 1guard but, we still don?t have one?we have an undersized shooting guard with some good passing skills. The point guard is the most important position in basketball and after seeing point guards like Nash and especially Kidd work Magic on teams, I think that?s what we need. Ariza, and Sweetney will flourish because of the distribution of the ball and even more importantly, the whole team will flourish. New York is a mediocre passing team at #16 in the league and it?s such a shame because we have so many great options.</div> Of course there are tons of European disappointments. Remember Europe is not a country it's a continent. Lots of people= lots of ball players= lots of busts. That only makes sense. I understand that point guards are vital to success but it will be much easier finding a good point guard to run our team of the future then a good center. I'm sure that we'll find someone suitable to run the point for us next season in the first round or we could just trade for one. Teams are willing to trade good point guards or let them walk, but they wont trade good big men unless they get some serious compensation. Centers also take longer to develop than guards if we want our center of the future to be polished and ready to go we have to draft him now. About the perimeter defense thing, with a solid shot blocker bad perimeter defense wont be that big of an issue. It wasnt last season when we had Mutumbo. I'm sure we can find an international player that can block shots and shoot in the lottery. There has to be at least one in the lottery. Point guards may ochestrate the offense and lead the team to victory but big men provide the foundation for the offense. Get a center now and a point guard next season or pull off another steal in the second round. But one thing is for sure, we better use this lottery pick to get ourselves a great center or we could regret it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes in a league of how many get good centers? I think hes the 2nd best player in the league because hes the only center in the league thats a #1/2 scoring option. Brad Miller is putting up close stats and so is Ilgaukus. As a matter of fact the second best center in the league would really be Amare. And believe it or not Eddy Curry isnt to far behind. About the Olympics. If our team was allowed to run like every other NBA filled team was allowed to to instead of trying to play half court we would have easilly one the gold metal.</div> You have your logic backwards. He's not a great center because he's a #1/2 scoring option. The reason why he's a #1/2 scoring option is because he's a great center. Makes sense? You also have to take into account how they get their points. Yao posts up and shoots the ball over his man whereas Brad Miller just takes jumpshots whenever he's open. I dont know about Amare being better than Yao. Yao is a traditional center whereas Amare is really a powerforward playing center and besides he has the best point guard in the league on his side giving him easy dunks. If Curry isnt too far behind Yao and Amare than Sweetney must be among them since Sweetney is clearly a superior player to Curry. Larry Brown did not stop team USA from running. He lets the Pistons run when they can. The other teams just got back on defense. Besides dont you think there's something wrong with the fact that we couldnt play in the halfcourt against the rest of the world? Truth to be told we shouldnt have advanced past Spain, we got lucky.
Oh, you want a Mutombo? Sure I'll take that any day. I don't think they're amy in the draft. Maybe a decent shot blocker but, I don't know about a potential 3rd all-time shot blocker. Except I wouldn't want him to be so slow, and swing the elbows like that! Well, I know Europe is big and everything however, there have been more busts than there were decent players, yet alone stars. I think we can easily get a decent big man in the draft who is defensive minded. Also, if we trade Marbury for a better pick, we still have our cake and eat it too. Let's say we trade with say, Atlanta. We give them Marbury for their pick, while we still have our original. That might be a 3rd and 7th pick in the draft!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh, you want a Mutombo? Sure I'll take that any day. I don't think they're amy in the draft. Maybe a decent shot blocker but, I don't know about a potential 3rd all-time shot blocker. Except I wouldn't want him to be so slow, and swing the elbows like that! Well, I know Europe is big and everything however, there have been more busts than there were decent players, yet alone stars. I think we can easily get a decent big man in the draft who is defensive minded. Also, if we trade Marbury for a better pick, we still have our cake and eat it too. Let's say we trade with say, Atlanta. We give them Marbury for their pick, while we still have our original. That might be a 3rd and 7th pick in the draft!</div> That would be nice...but i dont think any teams in the lower regions of the draft would be interested in Marbury's contract. The only team i would think has half a chance would be NO if they deal Baron, but even then i think they'd keep the pick to rebuild since, even with Marbury, they aint going anywhere anytime soon. I suggested Donyell and Alston for Lue and Atlanta's pick but i dont think they'd bite. Perhaps a Donyell, Alston and Eric Williams for Lue, Atlanta's pick and Tony Delk, and make it work with either another team or a trade exception...but I'm not so sure of that. Anyways...i'm getting off topic....i dont think they could get it for Marbury, but they should still be able to get a quality player.
^Of course not for those Raptor players. Marbury has proven he is a good player and has put up great numbers throughout his career. What's the purpose of saving cap room if you're not using it to get a good player? Marbury, Walker, Harrington and a developing Smith. and Childress can become very dangerous and put the Hawks on the map.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">^Of course not for those Raptor players. Marbury has proven he is a good player and has put up great numbers throughout his career. What's the purpose of saving cap room if you're not using it to get a good player? Marbury, Walker, Harrington and a developing Smith. and Childress can become very dangerous and put the Hawks on the map.</div> Perhaps, but the Hawks are a thrify bunch...they dont overspend. I think the Raptors i mentioned would be a more attractive package as far as the Hawks are concerned. Besides, Marbury is not worth what he gets paid, and they'll know hhey could find a better PG for their needs, not necessarily overall skill, elsewhere. Even Alston, while not as skilled as Marbury, would be a better fit for their team seeing as he makes about 1/3rd of the money and is putting up decent numbers. Now in no way am i saying Alston is better than Marbury, but he's cheaper. You would think Marbury would have good trade value being that he's a good player. But you're forced to wonder his true worth on the block. Will teams look at him and see a quality point guard or will they consider him a trade liability because of his price tag.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">Perhaps, but the Hawks are a thrify bunch...they dont overspend. I think the Raptors i mentioned would be a more attractive package as far as the Hawks are concerned. Besides, Marbury is not worth what he gets paid, and they'll know hhey could find a better PG for their needs, not necessarily overall skill, elsewhere. Even Alston, while not as skilled as Marbury, would be a better fit for their team seeing as he makes about 1/3rd of the money and is putting up decent numbers. Now in no way am i saying Alston is better than Marbury, but he's cheaper. You would think Marbury would have good trade value being that he's a good player. But you're forced to wonder his true worth on the block. Will teams look at him and see a quality point guard or will they consider him a trade liability because of his price tag.</div> I don't really think he is overpaid. He is a more than decent point guard. If anything, not anymore overpaid than Antoine Walker. Marbury puts up 20 and 8 a game. Those are averages since Oscar Robinson was around. The Hawks need someone who can score because usually Walker and Harrington take the load and that's it. Marbury provides more ball distribution as well as much needed scoring. Honestly, who would really want to play in Atlanta? Not many players Marbury I think can draw some interest and put Atlanta on the map again. Alston is a decent point guard and is cheap which is a good thing. Marshall is a good player and definitely underrated but, for a 1st round pick, especially a top 3??? Let's be more reasonable. The Hawks are getting a top player and top point guard in the league if they decide to accept. I think that is more feasible than Rafer Alston and Marshall don't you?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't really think he is overpaid. He is a more than decent point guard. If anything, not anymore overpaid than Antoine Walker. Marbury puts up 20 and 8 a game. Those are averages since Oscar Robinson was around. The Hawks need someone who can score because usually Walker and Harrington take the load and that's it. Marbury provides more ball distribution as well as much needed scoring. Honestly, who would really want to play in Atlanta? Not many players Marbury I think can draw some interest and put Atlanta on the map again. Alston is a decent point guard and is cheap which is a good thing. Marshall is a good player and definitely underrated but, for a 1st round pick, especially a top 3??? Let's be more reasonable. The Hawks are getting a top player and top point guard in the league if they decide to accept. I think that is more feasible than Rafer Alston and Marshall don't you?</div> Personally i dont think Marbury is a more attractive package than Alston, Marshall and EWill. I would bet a majority of teams would take Alston and Marshall over Marbury, becuase of contract situations. Marbury's great, he's a true talent but 14.6 million this year going all the way up to 23 million a season. He's not worth it, I could see him getting a 10 mil per contract but thats has high as i'd go given his need to dominate the ball as well as his uber weak defence. I just dont think he'll have a high trade value based on his contract, talent aside. I cant think of any teams in the league that need a 14.6-23 million dollar shooting point gaurd. He can dish the ball when he wants too no doubt, but can he play team ball at the level that's required to win a championship? I could see Atlanta wanting Alston based on his affordability and his skills, but they'd hesitate from his lack of expierence and his attitude. They'd want Marbury for his skills, and they'd consider that he's been a team leader before. But then they'd remember that its always been on average to bad teams, and that his contract is pretty harsh. Donyell probably has no interest for them at this point. They do need a PF to replace Twan but with him being a free agent they could just aquire him that way if the wanted...might be easier if they had him for half a season though, make some conections and that junk. Ewill is their type of player... a role player to the last and effective at a very minimum price. Its not probable i dont think, but then agian not impossible. But i'd say more likely than the same trade (filler, 1st rounder) for Marbury. Just my opinion
