<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">source</div> Whose payroll is Isiah Thomas on?? That's what I want to know. That is the only possible explanation for him considering to use the 8th pick on Fyre. He must be getting paid by some other team in the East to sabotage the Knicks because Fyre has no business being in the lottery. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Comeone, let's get a swingman!</div> What the Hell??? Why would Isiah do something stupid like draft a swingman???Besides the fact he's Isiah Thomas I mean. Drafting a small forward doesnt make any sense! It's simply not logical! In fact I'd go as far as to say it's downright stupid! Most teams when their last in shot blcoking, have poor perimeter defense, have a 6'8" powerforward as their starting center and a history of playing poor basketball in the abscence of a good big man would do everything in their power to draft a quality big man. But nope! Not the Knicks! We insist on playing small ball(which doesnt work in the East). We insist on drafting swingmen and wingmen(basically players we dont need) and then get mad when we cant block shots, pull down defensive rebounds and lose. Somebody-anybody-please explain to me why we should draft a small forward! Give me a list of reasons as to why we should draft a small forward over a big man. Use pictures, graphs and diagrams because quite frankly I simply dont get it!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">What the Hell??? Why would Isiah do something stupid like draft a swingman???Besides the fact he's Isiah Thomas I mean. Drafting a small forward doesnt make any sense! It's simply not logical! In fact I'd go as far as to say it's downright stupid! Most teams when their last in shot blcoking, have poor perimeter defense, have a 6'8" powerforward as their starting center and a history of playing poor basketball in the abscence of a good big man would do everything in their power to draft a quality big man. But nope! Not the Knicks! We insist on playing small ball(which doesnt work in the East). We insist on drafting swingmen and wingmen(basically players we dont need) and then get mad when we cant block shots, pull down defensive rebounds and lose. Somebody-anybody-please explain to me why we should draft a small forward! Give me a list of reasons as to why we should draft a small forward over a big man. Use pictures, graphs and diagrams because quite frankly I simply dont get it!</div> A shooting guard/small forward would definitely be the best player available with our eighth pick. I?m not expecting Splitter to stay in the draft like many sources are suggesting which only leaves the best player available, right? Vazquez is a possibility, but it?s he might be gone by the time we pick. What other big man should we use it on, Frye or Taft? I would much rather much rather use my pick on a player who can potentially turn into a star instead of the best big man available ? where there are no risk-free ones not named Andrew Bogut who we probably have no chance in getting. Even if you want to say Splitter is risk-free, remember, he most likely isn?t staying in the lottery. With a player like Granger on the perimeter, the Knicks perimeter will only get better and the need for shot blocking would become less necessary. Not drafting a big man with our eighth does not mean we don?t have to draft one period. We can still get two of your favorites in Ronny Turiaf, or Lucas Tischer. Turiaf doesn?t have ceiling potential, but his downside isn?t on the floor either. He will be able to step in immediately and help us out in the shot blocking, and rebounding department. Also don?t forget about Jackie Butler; I heard he was developing nicely and could step in for about 15 minutes next season. Don?t forget about the off-season either. Although you might consider Isiah Thomas a clown, I seriously doubt he would allow Kurt Thomas or Sweetney to start at center for yet another season. I?m sure he was just as hurt as us watching that. If we could get someone like Kwame Brown, Dan Gadzuric, or even Jerome James, we could be pretty solid and they definitely aren?t ruled out in signing. Let?s not forget about a perimeter threat either which has been somewhat of a problem as well since Houston left. Granger, Wright or Webster could provide that now, and instantly. Their upside is also better than any big man in the draft. The Knicks also said that they are going with the best player available regardless of position and those players around our pick will be the best ones available. I don?t know how to put up graphs and things on the computer, but I?ll do the best I can: [IMGl]http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/headshots/danny-granger-hd.jpg[/IMGl] [IMGr]http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/headshots/fran-vasquez-hd.jpg[/IMGr] <div align="left"><--Gives us defense, brings good upside, brings a great all-around player, better equipped for the future.</div> Might be gone when we pick, questionable upside, better for us now, but what about the future? Has Isiah ever drafted an international player? -->
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not liking this Frye stuff </div> Me too
A few hours ago I was watching some Channing Frye highlights and I must say, I was impressed by what he can do. Granted, I would have to be impressed with him because they are highlights where everyone looks impressive, but based on what I?ve seen, he seems like exactly what the Knicks need which is a center and even more importantly a shot-blocker too bail out Marbury and Crawford?s mishaps defensively. Channing Frye also has great range especially for a big man. He can bring other shot-blockers on offense out the paint for Marbury to penetrate. I?m talking about Kurt Thomas range+. I believe he can hit NBA 3-pointers with relative consistency and I heard he?s getting faster and quicker plus has gained weight. What do you guys think of him? Could he turn out well for us?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post"> A few hours ago I was watching some Channing Frye highlights and I must say, I was impressed by what he can do. Granted, I would have to be impressed with him because they are highlights where everyone looks impressive, but based on what I?ve seen, he seems like exactly what the Knicks need which is a center and even more importantly a shot-blocker too bail out Marbury and Crawford?s mishaps defensively. Channing Frye also has great range especially for a big man. He can bring other shot-blockers on offense out the paint for Marbury to penetrate. I?m talking about Kurt Thomas range+. I believe he can hit NBA 3-pointers with relative consistency and I heard he?s getting faster and quicker plus has gained weight. What do you guys think of him? Could he turn out well for us?</div> What do I think of him?? I wouldnt touch that cat with a ten foot pole! That's what I think of him!(I'd take the big, sloppy, chump over him any day) And I laugh at the poor suckers who end up drafting him in the first round(yes I am aware that the Knicks look like their going to draft him, ironic isnt it?) From what I understand he's too slow to defend powerforwards that take him out to the perimeter and too weak to defend centers in the low post and doesnt have the body to add on alot more weight(I find any and all reports saying he's gained a significant amount of weight while not losing a significant amount of mobility fabricated until he comes to my house and weighs himself in front of me on my scale). He doesnt seem to have a clear cut position and that is bad. Not to mention he is WAY TOO SOFT. He doesnt like to bang and that is a must if you're a big man. He does not belong in the lottery. To be honest I wouldnt use our 30th pick on him. You think he'll be a good shot blocker? I dont know... do you think Jason Collins is a good shot blocker? Fyre was almost always 2-3 inches taller than the next tallest person on the court. I am not impressed whatsoever by his shot blocking skills. There are pleny of jumpshooting big men in the NBA that we can get without using a draft pick. And MrJ I seem to remember arguing with you over Michael Doleac about the Van Horn deal. What was it you said? "Doleac is just a jumpshooting big man..." and you didnt say it in a good way either. So now you're suggesting we use our 8th pick to draft a jumpshooting big man?? I believe you are flip flopping. All in all I dont know how the Hell did Fyre end up getting consideration for the lottery. Noone was even thinking about him until someone said he got a top ten guarantee. And it seems that little trick worked on Isiah Thomas which isnt surprising since he's a jackass. In my opinion-and anyone else's who knows a damn thing about the prospects in this draft-Splitter is clearly better in every single possible way except jumpshooting and the Knicks dont need a soft, jumpshooting big man right now(and even if we did want one we could always sign one with the MLE). Now I dont want anyone to believe that I think Fyre is all bad because being tall(even if it's tall for nothing) does count for something so I'd probably consider him with our second rounder. If Lucas Tischer, Marcelo Huertas, Daniel Ewing and Jared Homan arent gone by then. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">What do I think of him?? I wouldnt touch that cat with a ten foot pole! That's what I think of him!(I'd take the big, sloppy, chump over him any day) And I laugh at the poor suckers who end up drafting him in the first round(yes I am aware that the Knicks look like their going to draft him, ironic isnt it?) From what I understand he's too slow to defend powerforwards that take him out to the perimeter and too weak to defend centers in the low post and doesnt have the body to add on alot more weight(I find any and all reports saying he's gained a significant amount of weight while not losing a significant amount of mobility fabricated until he comes to my house and weighs himself in front of me on my scale). He doesnt seem to have a clear cut position and that is bad. Not to mention he is WAY TOO SOFT. He doesnt like to bang and that is a must if you're a big man.</div> Ha-ha, I guess you can look at it from that perspective, but I think you?re mistaken. I really thought you didn?t like Eddy Curry so I can imagine how much you don?t like Channing Frye. I doubt that the sources are fabricated, Tribute. I doubt they would make up such a thing. You have to wonder how someone who was considered so low could bounce up this high. I believe there is more to it than him simply being a big man because I?ve seen no other big man?s stock increase like his. Did you know that the Knicks also secretly worked him out and they came back impressed and confident that he was what we need? Let?s say he really does turn out to be 260 pounds with additional quickness laterally and with a more explosive jump. Would you reconsider? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He does not belong in the lottery. To be honest I wouldnt use our 30th pick on him. You think he'll be a good shot blocker? I dont know... do you think Jason Collins is a good shot blocker? Fyre was almost always 2-3 inches taller than the next tallest person on the court. I am not impressed whatsoever by his shot blocking skills. There are pleny of jumpshooting big men in the NBA that we can get without using a draft pick. And MrJ I seem to remember arguing with you over Michael Doleac about the Van Horn deal. What was it you said? "Doleac is just a jumpshooting big man..." and you didnt say it in a good way either. So now you're suggesting we use our 8th pick to draft a jumpshooting big man?? I believe you are flip flopping. All in all I dont know how the Hell did Fyre end up getting consideration for the lottery. Noone was even thinking about him until someone said he got a top ten guarantee. And it seems that little trick worked on Isiah Thomas which isnt surprising since he's a jackass.</div> I?ve heard the same comparison on one of the Collins twins too and I believe that those comparisons are somewhat farfetched. Frye?s wingspan is better and now after working in the ATTACK program by Tim Grover, I think that just makes him even better. He was a better shot-blocker in college and he wasn?t as big physically then Collins. The fact that he has great range on his shot is not why I want him; that was just the icing on the cake. My intentions weren?t to degrade Doleac as a player. We were saying who was better, Nazr or Doleac. I chose Nazr because he could do more than Doleac ? who could only shoot jumpers. I?m not flip-flopping; consider me wanting Frye as a change of opinion. Also, weren?t you saying that the way you saying how great Doleac was and how stupid it was to move him over Nazr ? a player who could do more than Doleac? I remember you talking about his performance being essential to the Knicks success so if that is the case, wouldn?t someone like Frye ? a player who could do more both offensively and defensively be worth it? That top 10 thing was a rumor; and a laughable as well. Why would someone promise senior a guarantee? You asked me how ?Frye can get lottery consideration like this? but honestly, I?m still trying to figure out exactly how this can happen too. This shows he must have done something pretty significant to impress and it looks like he has. All we really need is a shot-blocker in the middle and with Frye?s wingspan and newly acquired ?hops? he will provide that. Let?s not forget his post moves are fairly good and can always be refined by Aguirre. He seems like what we need and Splitter is probably pulling out of the draft. Frye might not have the most upside, but he will be useful and will be the perfect compliment for Sweetney in the post that we talked about a couple of months ago. Also, how can you really question Isiah Thomas? He?s drafted some fine players in the league and knows talent when he sees it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In my opinion-and anyone else's who knows a damn thing about the prospects in this draft-Splitter is clearly better in every single possible way except jumpshooting and the Knicks dont need a soft, jumpshooting big man right now(and even if we did want one we could always sign one with the MLE). Now I dont want anyone to believe that I think Fyre is all bad because being tall(even if it's tall for nothing) does count for something so I'd probably consider him with our second rounder. If Lucas Tischer, Marcelo Huertas, Daniel Ewing and Jared Homan arent gone by then.</div> Splitter as I said, is probably pulling his name out of the draft and really isn?t better than Frye although he probably has more upside. If Frye did in fact get to 260, than he would really be that much better than Splitter. Frye is in no way shape or form worth our 54th pick and at the very least our 30th although he probably will be gone by then. We want a big man, Splitter?s leaving Taft isn?t good, Vazquez is not as proven, Bogut won?t slip to us, but Frye is the only one left. We should take him and trust Isiah?s talent eye because he knows it when he sees it.
stopped in as this is a lively thread and I get a charge out of the notion some 6-10 part timer in the overseas minors is the great savior. The Warriors C situation is less dire. We had a lot of folks a few weeks ago dead certain Taft had great "upside". I never heard much about anyone EVER seeing him do a thing in a game that was semi-special. I saw him,barely first round,few real skills,looks strong but clueless or lazy...maybe some of each. Potential? To be what,a slower Kwame? Splitter,Vasquez,Petro....take their stats,add them togather and you'd about match Simien or Diogu. Some fool says Splitter could,what,crush Diogu or something....fat chance. Two or three years from now,maybe....but probably not. Now? no way. Vasquez? He is a 6-10 225 22yr old who is finally getting skilled enough to play some. He's your quick fix at C????? Petro? Martynas? The bleak seasons they had say MAYBE next year they will have a modest impact in Europe. Tshikavili is 7 ft,actually can shoot some,had 3yr NBA experiance...would you give a rd 1 for him now? The logical pick for the Knicks is Frye. The Knicks need a guy who is tall and DOES NOT SUCK. NY fans,media are not ultra patient,and Thomas wants to get some sort of answer at C ASAP. As a Warrior fan,I'd hope NY takes Vasquez,so there would be no danger of us getting him. There ARE some great players from various countries. The NBA skimmed off the real talents in recent years and ,most of the remainders are guys who are very raw,including some who didn't get picked a year ago. Some who were too young. The guys who are NBA stars now were stars on national teams in the Olympics,had established their abiliy to play. I even saw a post saying the Knicks ought to take Martynas over Green....there's an obsolete concept. Green is more ready than Marvin Williams,has nice skills plus athletic tools. Martynas could not shine for a mid-major college team. It's hypothetical Green will go between 2 and 5. Martynas is a questionable gamble as a late first round....what happens when his 3 yr rookie conrtact is up and he is still not ready?
Splitter without a question is better than Fyre, he's been on the draft radar for about 4 - 5 years now, Fyre just got in the first round after that NCAA Tournament when he had a very good supporting cast, I think Fyre is overrated by sum, and if it wasn't for Splitter's big contract, he would probably be a top 5 pick in this draft Splitter is already projected as the number one overall pick in 2006 and will probably stay there
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Ha-ha, I guess you can look at it from that perspective, but I think you?re mistaken. I really thought you didn?t like Eddy Curry so I can imagine how much you don?t like Channing Frye. I doubt that the sources are fabricated, Tribute. I doubt they would make up such a thing. You have to wonder how someone who was considered so low could bounce up this high. I believe there is more to it than him simply being a big man because I?ve seen no other big man?s stock increase like his. Did you know that the Knicks also secretly worked him out and they came back impressed and confident that he was what we need? Let?s say he really does turn out to be 260 pounds with additional quickness laterally and with a more explosive jump. Would you reconsider?</div> I dont like Curry but I'd rather have him over Fyre and no you cant imagine how much I dont like Fyre. Why wouldnt they make things up? There were serious concerns about his body frame this whole season and how much weight he could put on without sacrificing mobility. Then all of a sudden he's added twenty or so pounds of muscle and is more explosive than before?? Does that make sense to you? I already told you why his stock went through the roof. Someone said(his agent I believe) he has a top ten guarantee and then all the GM's were like, "Wow! There must be something special about this kid that I missed let's have another look at him!". They take another look at him and say, "Wow! He really is a top ten pick I'm going to use my lottery pick on this guy!", even though its still the exact same guy they had penciled in the late first round. Even you fell for it because now you think since there's all this hoopla around Fyre there must be some substance when there isnt any. And if all that nonsense does indeed turn out to be true I would consider him with my 30th pick(hey its an improvement from considering him with my 54th). <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I?ve heard the same comparison on one of the Collins twins too and I believe that those comparisons are somewhat farfetched. Frye?s wingspan is better and now after working in the ATTACK program by Tim Grover, I think that just makes him even better. He was a better shot-blocker in college and he wasn?t as big physically then Collins. The fact that he has great range on his shot is not why I want him; that was just the icing on the cake. My intentions weren?t to degrade Doleac as a player. We were saying who was better, Nazr or Doleac. I chose Nazr because he could do more than Doleac ? who could only shoot jumpers. I?m not flip-flopping; consider me wanting Frye as a change of opinion. Also, weren?t you saying that the way you saying how great Doleac was and how stupid it was to move him over Nazr ? a player who could do more than Doleac? I remember you talking about his performance being essential to the Knicks success so if that is the case, wouldn?t someone like Frye ? a player who could do more both offensively and defensively be worth it? That top 10 thing was a rumor; and a laughable as well. Why would someone promise senior a guarantee? You asked me how ?Frye can get lottery consideration like this? but honestly, I?m still trying to figure out exactly how this can happen too. This shows he must have done something pretty significant to impress and it looks like he has. All we really need is a shot-blocker in the middle and with Frye?s wingspan and newly acquired ?hops? he will provide that. Let?s not forget his post moves are fairly good and can always be refined by Aguirre. He seems like what we need and Splitter is probably pulling out of the draft. Frye might not have the most upside, but he will be useful and will be the perfect compliment for Sweetney in the post that we talked about a couple of months ago. Also, how can you really question Isiah Thomas? He?s drafted some fine players in the league and knows talent when he sees it.</div> I too believe those Collins' comparisons are unfair. They're unfair to the Collins twins. They at least bang and play good underrated defense. When Jason Collins played college ball I'm pretty sure there werent as many undersized powerforwards and centers(I could be wrong though) so his blocks didnt come as easily as Fyre's. The jumpshot was the icing on the cake you say??? Where's the bloody cake then??? And I did indeed say Doleac was better for the Knicks than Nazr. And no he still isnt worth it. Besides the fact we can just sign a center with a jumpshot the team is different now than it was before with Doleac. When we had Doleac we also had Kurt Thomas, Van Horn, Houston(later on it became Shandon Anderson) and Marbury. Marbury dominated the ball(he's good at that) and dished the ball whenever someone tried to double team him. And one of the shooters I just mentioned above would nail the open jumper. Now we have Sweetney in our line up which changes things and besides we already have Kurt Thomas who is better than Fyre will ever be. Fyre is afraid of contact he wont be a good low post scorer. We should drop this Fyre garbage, make the promise to Splitter and draft him. It's funny that you say he'll be useful. The Raptors said that last year about Rafael Araujo and look how that turned out. It's also worth mentioning that they had the 8th pick last year which is the same pick we have this year and your line of thinking is the same line of thinking they had last year. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Splitter as I said, is probably pulling his name out of the draft and really isn?t better than Frye although he probably has more upside. If Frye did in fact get to 260, than he would really be that much better than Splitter. Frye is in no way shape or form worth our 54th pick and at the very least our 30th although he probably will be gone by then. We want a big man, Splitter?s leaving Taft isn?t good, Vazquez is not as proven, Bogut won?t slip to us, but Frye is the only one left. We should take him and trust Isiah?s talent eye because he knows it when he sees it.</div> You're right. Splitter isnt better than Fyre. He's only more intense, far superior individual defender, superior team defender, taller, more athletic, higher basketball IQ, played against better competition(no kids or 6'7" powerforwards in the Euroleague), better passer, better shotblocker, likes to be physical(Fyre's kryptonite), more promising low post game, can play without the ball(unlike Fyre), can put the ball on the floor to attack the basket as well and can play both big positions. You're absolutely correct. Fyre is better than Splitter. How can all of this stuff that Splitter can do possibly measure up to Fyre's jumper??(loads and loads upon loads of sarcasm) Fyre is WAY OVERRATED. No he is not worth our 30th pick. Randolph Morris is more deserving than him and Lucas Tischer more deserving at our 54th pick(at least they'll go in and mix it up in the paint instead of shoot jumpers all day). Vazquez has a better jumpshot, is a better defender, and is a better finisher around the basket. He is better than Fyre. Fyre is one of the worst big men in this draft. Isiah I'm A Giant Fool Thomas passed up Big Z for Marcus Camby didnt he? Now I love Camby but Big Z is better now and was the better choice all those years ago. So no! I choose not to trust his vaunted "eye for talent". Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
Sorry for the double post but I really wanted to respond to this. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">stopped in as this is a lively thread and I get a charge out of the notion some 6-10 part timer in the overseas minors is the great savior. The Warriors C situation is less dire. We had a lot of folks a few weeks ago dead certain Taft had great "upside". I never heard much about anyone EVER seeing him do a thing in a game that was semi-special. I saw him,barely first round,few real skills,looks strong but clueless or lazy...maybe some of each. Potential? To be what,a slower Kwame? Splitter,Vasquez,Petro....take their stats,add them togather and you'd about match Simien or Diogu. Some fool says Splitter could,what,crush Diogu or something....fat chance. Two or three years from now,maybe....but probably not. Now? no way. Vasquez? He is a 6-10 225 22yr old who is finally getting skilled enough to play some. He's your quick fix at C????? Petro? Martynas? The bleak seasons they had say MAYBE next year they will have a modest impact in Europe. Tshikavili is 7 ft,actually can shoot some,had 3yr NBA experiance...would you give a rd 1 for him now? The logical pick for the Knicks is Frye. The Knicks need a guy who is tall and DOES NOT SUCK. NY fans,media are not ultra patient,and Thomas wants to get some sort of answer at C ASAP. As a Warrior fan,I'd hope NY takes Vasquez,so there would be no danger of us getting him. There ARE some great players from various countries. The NBA skimmed off the real talents in recent years and ,most of the remainders are guys who are very raw,including some who didn't get picked a year ago. Some who were too young. The guys who are NBA stars now were stars on national teams in the Olympics,had established their abiliy to play. I even saw a post saying the Knicks ought to take Martynas over Green....there's an obsolete concept. Green is more ready than Marvin Williams,has nice skills plus athletic tools. Martynas could not shine for a mid-major college team. It's hypothetical Green will go between 2 and 5. Martynas is a questionable gamble as a late first round....what happens when his 3 yr rookie conrtact is up and he is still not ready?</div> So let me get this straight. You think that by comparing stats from two different leagues that have a completely different set of rules, style of play and system you can get an idea of how good they are and how good they will be? Interesting. So you dont add in other factors like age, quality of the respective teams, rules, style of play, quality of the competition? Very interesting. You're calling me a fool??? Well isnt that the pot calling the kettle black? You cant call someone a fool then turn around and back Fyre you hypocrite. Splitter is three to four inches taller than Diogu(yes he is a legitimate seven feet tall now), more athletic, has great foot work and is very well polished on the defensive end. What can Diogu do to Splitter if you match them up head to head? Diogu cant take Splitter off the dribble(Splitter can possibly defend the three spot)and Splitter is too tall and quick to be posted up with success(he'll swat Diogu's shot all day). Splitter wont bite on any shot fakes and wont let Diogu get around him. Diogu will end up taking fadeaway jumpers over the seven foot, long armed, athletic Brazilian and needless to say those arent high percentage shots. Now in comparison if Splitter has the ball all he has to do is drop step into the paint and drop the ball in the hoop and at seven feet there's nothing Diogu can do about it. So yes Splitter would indeed kill Diogu. Diogu will be nothing new to Splitter as skilled big men are a dime a dozen in Europe. The only difference would be that Diogo is stronger, has less range and a good deal shorter than what Splitter is used to seeing. Two or three years from now you wont be able to say Splitter in the same breath as Diogu let alone compare them. All those guys you mentioned all have ALOT more upside than Fyre. You say the Knicks need someone tell and doesnt suck then endorse Fyre?? That's a contradiction if I ever saw one. Not only is Splitter taller than Fyre he is and will be better than Fyre. Fyre does not belong in the lottery. Period. I'd go as far as to say he doesnt belong in the first round. He is too soft!!! He's so soft it's disgusting. He's so afraid of contact you'd think he was a little school girl that wandered into a game of NCAA basketball. The NBA skimmed off all the real talent in recent years? And you think there arent other players that replace the ones who come to the NBA? You think there's only one generation of talented basketball players in Europe? I was probably the one who said the Knicks should take Martynas over Green although I dont remember saying it. I am not a fan of high school players. As a general rule I am opposed to drafting them. If the Knicks do draft Martynas they would not bring him over this year. They would let him develop in Europe then bring him over when he is ready so we wouldnt have to pay him for sitting at the end of the bench. But I'll say this: Martynas, even if we bring him over now, wont be any worse than Channing Fyre. That is certain. You better start looking at the Western Conference Champions and start following their example. Their starting backcourt are former Euroleague players. The back up center and back up point guard are also former Euroleague players. And next year if Luis Scola does indeed come to the NBA their back up powerforward will also be a former Euroleague player. The Spurs are probably going to draft another Euroleague player(probably a small forward) and bring him over in a couple of years. International players are simply the way of the future. And if you want to be a serious contender instead of an irrelevant pretender you better get with the program. Since I like the Warriors and want them to succeed I'll give you this piece of advice. Make Splitter the promise, draft him if he's still around. Use your second round picks to draft Marcelo Huertas and Nate Robinson. Next year draft Thabo Selofasha(dont really know him but he's making some noise in France) and prepare to make a championship run in a few years. Or you can just draft Fyre and stay a pretender. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
if Isiah drafts Fyre, and if he doesnt get rid of Taylor's, Rose, and Kurt Thomas's contract this season, he should be fired
2005 Knicks Predraft Workouts <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NEW YORK, June 14, 2005 -- Tomorrow (Wednesday, June 15), the Knicks will conduct predraft workouts with the four following prospects: Andray Blatche David LoganLogan Info Donnell TaylorTaylor Info Ronny TuriafTuriaf Info</div> Knicks.com
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Knicks.com</div> i had to drop in and ask Tribute how many games you've seen Splitter play? You're building your whole messed up comparison from weak sauce scouting reports and rumours. Splitter a lottery pick? Not likely. There are many questions about him, same as Frye. Is he better....i dont personally thing so, but we all have opinions. Splitter cant shoot, is far far far to weak to be a center in the league this year or next ( i dont care what you're feading him) so it would be like drafting your 7th powerforward. Frye isnt ideal if his size is indeed the same as college, but its at least a little better. His height, his build..improvements over Splitter. Frye can shoot...Splitter has the worst shot outside of 5feet since Shaq. He either dunks it or hook shot, but he's to weak to get that close the bucket at the offensive end vs centers and probably even alot of PF. He's a project, and could be very good. But i dont think he will be much better than Frye, personally i dont think he'll be better at all, but even if he is i have to ask; do you want to wait a few years for him or are you satisfied with adding to the knicks PF problems. Splitter has good defense, Frye has good defense. Its hard to compare the two because of the difference in opponent size and all. I mean euro guys are generally bigger but they're far from good. I mean Zan Tabak was supposed to be the starter?! I'd say though that because of body composition, the style's of play taking into consideration their ability to play that way in the NBA and all that junk Frye is the better selection. He could do a Marcus Camby and play even though he's light, and if he is bigger like they say he is GREAT. so what if his mobility is hampered a bit, shouldnt stop a 7footer from being able to get a 16footer off and should make him more solid in the block at both ends of the court. Its not like he's a Chris Bosh type player who uses his agility and speed to be successful. Splitter is as weak as Chris Bosh, and there's no difference in their body compositions. To assume that Splitter can put on the needed weight to play the nba 5 spot is a bit much to risk a 8th pick on. Chris Bosh has been in the league 2 years now and he's still not ready to play the 5 despite efforts to increase his bulk to defend NBA 4's better. If splitter cant end up playing the 5 spot at all he's almost a useless pick for the Knicks with the number of pf's you have especially when considering that all 5 of the 6 (sweetney aside) wouldnt be easy to move. K. Thomas might be, but its still tough cause he makes like 8 mill till he's 36. MRJ - strange enough as it might seem i like your ideas better. Granger is solid offensively and a tremendous defensive player which is really what you guys need. NY is a tough place to develop, a project center is less than ideal for the city that never sleeps and never gives basketball players a break. Granger will give you blocks too...great on ball defender, very high IQ. just my 2cents Edit: post fixed....Taft's name has been strickened
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">so it would be like drafting your 7th powerforward. Frye isnt ideal if his size is indeed the same as college, but its at least a little better. His height, his build..improvements over Splitter. Taft can shoot...Splitter has the worst shot outside of 5feet since Shaq. He either dunks it or hook shot, but he's to weak to get that close the bucket at the offensive end vs centers and probably even alot of PF. He's a project, and could be very good. But i dont think he will be much better than Frye, personally i dont think he'll be better at all, but even if he is i have to ask; do you want to wait a few years for him or are you satisfied with adding to the knicks PF problems.</div> Just have a few comments on your assessment. If the Knicks draft Splitter, it will be our 6th not 7th power forward. Taft is just as bad as Splitter in terms of shooting. The biggest thing that everyone loved Taft for was his body which is not even as good as advertised. Although Taft is probably better than Splitter is right now, why would the Knicks draft him? Isiah doesn?t like him, he?s more than likely way out of the lottery and him being an overrated and lazy player is finally being revealed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Just have a few comments on your assessment. If the Knicks draft Splitter, it will be our 6th not 7th power forward. Taft is just as bad as Splitter in terms of shooting. The biggest thing that everyone loved Taft for was his body which is not even as good as advertised. Although Taft is probably better than Splitter is right now, why would the Knicks draft him? Isiah doesn?t like him, he?s more than likely way out of the lottery and him being an overrated and lazy player is finally being revealed.</div> You are absolutely right, in fact i didnt mean to put Taft's name there. I meant to be talking about Frye's ability to shoot and so on. Taft's name must of been in my head since i was just reading an article saying he had 4 good workouts and 1 that didnt go so good (Raps). I'll edit it so its what i meant to say.
i really do feel u guys should go for a true center in channing frye or the guy.... scheschner or whatever his name is in the 2nd round. Channing frye-1st round 8th pick. Sceschner- 2nd round pick. that would be a great complement to guys like KT and malik rose. u guys really need to start malik, he is a beast C-KT/malik PF- KT/malik SF-TA or TT SG-crawford, H20(if healthy) PG-stephon. not a bad lineup on paper but the chemistry isnt there. and the battle for this team will be the PF and C spots. they desperately need help down there. Fryye is able to shoot and rebound at high percentages. he would be the obvious pick!
