a No nensense response? ok... Kobe Bryant in my opinion is the single most dynamic player in the league since Jordan. There is noone...more clutch then kobe....only reggie can be considerd. Lebron....other the Jordan, the single best basketball body ive ever seen (no homo). Lebron was born to be the best, i hated on this kat for a while...but after you annylize him, you cant call yourself a true bball fan and hate this kid's game. One thing lebron doesnt have is Kobes killer instict/Defense and clutch aggressivness. Noone does to be honest, not all 3. Thats what seperate kobe from everyone in the league... Kobe/TMAC - Tmac...better free scorer thats it.... Kobe/Iverson - Iverson...AI has the heart...not the body anymore. Kobe/Lebron - Its as unfair to say Kobe/Jordan as it is to say Kobe/Lebron.... Lebron hasnt done anything in this league yet, but in my humble opinion....he may end up being the greatest ever to play the game...the kid is that good. Kobe is the best all around player in the league and by far the best shooting guard since MJ. Argue all you want, i dont wanna hear it. People argue shaq was the reason for kobe's success....somewhat, BUT...please do me a favor and look at the last 5 years...including the finals, who's stats went up and whos stats went down? and finally....to shut the mouth of any hater in the world..... 9 straight 40+ point games = PHENOMINAL!...... noone will EVER do that again....EVER only 2 people other then Kobe bryant have done that....Jordan and Chamberlain...no first names needed Right now, until lebron does anything more then kobe has...he's not the best....but if you ask me unbiasedly....lebron will be the closest thing to MJ when its all said and done. I love Kobe...thats my man for life (no homo) and i love the lakers....but im no liar....and Lebron has incredible Upswing...dont ocunt this kid out. DMK
Right now I would take Kobe. Because he is more experienced, has better D, And is alot more aggressive. Now those people that are saying Lebron is a team player. Do you actually think hes going to stay that way? Please think a little,in 2 or 3 years this kid is going to have a huge Ego hes going to think its all about him and well probably become more selfish than he is right now. Thats my opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">Right now I would take Kobe. Because he is more experienced, has better D, And is alot more aggressive.</div> The first two points are correct. The third is hogwash. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Now those people that are saying Lebron is a team player. Do you actually think hes going to stay that way?</div> Yes. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Please think a little,in 2 or 3 years this kid is going to have a huge Ego hes going to think its all about him and well probably become more selfish than he is right now.</div> Yes, because LeBron hasn't already had enough hype to get an ego thus far. Good logic. He's only probably the most reverred High School athlete of all time, probably the most hyped NBA prospect of all time, he only signed an insanely big sponsorship deal when he was a teenager, he's only the hottest name in basketball and has been for the best part of two seasons. Yep, no reason to have an ego yet. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats my opinion.</div> Thankyou, TheNextJordan8.
Supersonic, those are all assumptions. You don't know that his ego will not inflate. A couple of years in the league can change anyone, especially with how much money he will be seeing when it comes time to be signed/re-signed.
Well then this whole thread is pointless. Every single point being made is on assumptions. You might have well have started the thread with 'Kobe is more experienced and has won more rings, therefore any argument made for LeBron is based on assumptions of what he'll do in the future. End of thread." Using "LeBron will get a big ego in the future" as a reason against him isn't really that iron cast.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Supersonic:</div><div class="quote_post">Well then this whole thread is pointless. Every single point being made is on assumptions. You might have well have started the thread with 'Kobe is more experienced and has won more rings, therefore any argument made for LeBron is based on assumptions of what he'll do in the future. End of thread." Using "LeBron will get a big ego in the future" as a reason against him isn't really that iron cast.</div> What I am trying to say is that Lebron will eventually grow a bigger ego. Let's go back look at Kobe his first 2 years in the league he never had problems with Shaq he allways took the back seat, wether it was Eddie Jones or Nick Van Exel. You didnt see the Kobe you see today. And Lebron will have to go through the same process to become the focal point of his team. He has to take a stand show them that without him theyre nothing and vice versa. Its what you have to do to get to the next level. You'll see in a few years what I'm talking about. And don't be suprised if he gets himself into some trouble to.
Ego....not to trash anyones opinions in anyway, but i dont think ego should have anything to do with it....Jordan is well known for STILL having the largest ego of arguably any athlete ever. That in no way is a bad thing because the greats can be the biggest ego-maniacs and back it up....so it holds no argument value to use "ego" at all. Again, im a huge kobe fan....but i also love lebrons game....they guy is incredible on and off the court. Kobe made one mistake that will haunt him forever....BUT, that doesnt and shouldnt take away from his greatness on the court...just look at MJ's closet...anyone who knows anything knows hes going BACK to court because the lady he had an "affair" with and extorted him wants more cash....but thats another story. Like i said...i used to hate kobe and lebron...equally...but over time and getting more mature as life goes on....you realize....it doesnt matter "whos better" between so and so....what matter's is, NBA fan's have a great matchup when the names KOBE and LEBRON are on the marquee...so just drop it, noones right and noones wrong...they are 2 of the most gifted athletes on the planet.....leave it at that. DMK
All I'm saying is you put LBJ on the Lakers and we'd have a better record and we'd be a better team. Odom as well as every other player would be a lot happier because it will be more of a team effort and they'd all feel like they've contributed to the win (which they would with a player like LBJ) rather than watching as Kobe has isolation plays called for him for half the night.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mihm4MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">All I'm saying is you put LBJ on the Lakers and we'd have a better record and we'd be a better team. Odom as well as every other player would be a lot happier because it will be more of a team effort and they'd all feel like they've contributed to the win (which they would with a player like LBJ) rather than watching as Kobe has isolation plays called for him for half the night.</div> Prove It!
Just look at what LBJ has done for the Cavs. They didn't really upgrade their talent from last year, they're just about the same, but LBJ has shown maturity in getting his teammates involved and he's made the game a lot easier for his teammates. Now you put a player like James on the Lakers. He'll make our whole team better.
lmao....its not worth arguing.... you could say the same thing with Kobe with the cav's......vs' the eastern conference night in and out...., BUT its ignorent to think that way. Arguing with a uneducated "Kobe Hater" is as smart as arguing with a uneducated "Kobe-mark" ..... END the argument, its pointless and NOONE WIN's. Trust me. Arguing that LA would be better with anyone other then who they have already is irrelevant. Kobe and Lebron are phenominal players....leave it at that and stop wasting your time fella's. please. DMK
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMKfromTPL:</div><div class="quote_post">Arguing with a uneducated "Kobe Hater" is as smart as arguing with a uneducated "Kobe-mark" .....</div>Hmm... Convincing argument.
^^^ You're a Kobe Lover, does that make you more right or more unbiased? It is worth discussing and arguing to here POVs from both sides and those in the middle. Also stating the facts is not hating. Let's get that out of the way.
Let's see....had you read any of my posts you would see im a Mature person......big difference. As i said before....i am a huge kobe fan, but i am also a fan of lebron's game. That beng stated, Arguing this topic is utterly SILLY. Why? because it doesnt matter. It's basically fodder for someone who is bored and has nothing better to discuss. Im unbiased and honest with my posts, im no fanboy nor newbie...i state my opinions and facts only. And as my opinion, you arguing a pointless subject shows alot DMK
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mihm4MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">^^^ You're a Kobe Lover, does that make you more right or more unbiased? It is worth discussing and arguing to here POVs from both sides and those in the middle. Also stating the facts is not hating. Let's get that out of the way.</div> You havent stated any facts in any of your posts, They're all assumptions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMKfromTPL:</div><div class="quote_post">Let's see....had you read any of my posts you would see im a Mature person......big difference. As i said before....i am a huge kobe fan, but i am also a fan of lebron's game.</div>Although I've never read your posts, I don't dobut you're a great and mature person (despite calling people Kobe Haters for their dislike of Kobe while not acknowledging the Kobe Lovers for their blind-love of Kobe) But I'm pretty sure you're more of a Kobe fan and if you had the choice you would choose Kobe over LeBron (for more of your liking towards Kobe rather than the best interests of the Lakers or any team) and that's why I honor your opinion and look forward to it in this discussion. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMKfromTPL:</div><div class="quote_post">And as my opinion, you arguing a pointless subject shows alot </div> Ok, thanks for your opinion. If you have anything more to add I look forward to it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">You havent stated any facts in any of your posts, They're all assumptions.</div> Just look at what LBJ has done for the Cavs. They didn't really upgrade their talent from last year, they're just about the same, but LBJ has shown maturity in getting his teammates involved and he's made the game a lot easier for his teammates. Now you put a player like James on the Lakers. He'll make our whole team better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mihm4MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">(despite calling people Kobe Haters for their dislike of Kobe while not acknowledging the Kobe Lovers for their blind-love of Kobe)</div> You must have missed it when i said "Arguing with a Kobe-Hater is as pointless as arguing with a Kobe-Lover" or something like that. Basically what i am saying is....either way its pointless and Noone is right and noone is wrong. Now if your asking stricktly for opinions....then why argue with someones oppinions ??... *crickets chirp*......*tumbleweed rolls by* Look in my unbiased oppinion, the better player is Bryant....why? because he has more experience and has better defense, is a better one on one scorer. To sum it up this way....kobe can shut down any scorer in the league (just ask tmac).....there is NOONE in the league that can shut down kobe bryant....i dont care what anyone says, you can aggrivate kobe, but NOONE shuts kobe down. In a couple of years, lebron most likely will be the man.... he deffinatly has the most upswing, but he hasnt played in 1 single playoff game....Babysteps, you have to crawl before you walk. Im done arguing this case, my points are proven Have a nice day. DMK
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMKfromTPL:</div><div class="quote_post">Look in my unbiased oppinion, the better player is Bryant....why? because he has more experience and has better defense, is a better one on one scorer. To sum it up this way....kobe can shut down any scorer in the league (just ask tmac).....there is NOONE in the league that can shut down kobe bryant....i dont care what anyone says, you can aggrivate kobe, but NOONE shuts kobe down. </div> More experience? Sure, that's right, but how can Lebron have experience when he's been in the league for just one-and-a-half years? James will eventually get the experience he needs to get an even better player. Better defense? Maybe so, I'd agree if Kobe didn't rest so much on defense. I have seen a single game this year in which he played hard nosed defense all game long and that was the Milwaukee game in which he shut down Michael Redd. In all the other games you can see Kobe rest on defense, the lesser the player is he has to guard the more extreme it gets. Maybe he's even doing that rightfully so, he has to do nearly everything on offense and has to use up all of his energy to somehow get this team to score that he maybe even has to rest on defense, otherwise he could be exhausted by half time. That was different when Shaq was still on that team. Better one-on-one scorer? Maybe so again, but what's the point of that? Kobe doesn't play one-on-one anymore, teams are double teaming him all the time, so screw his one-on-one skills, he can't use them anyway. Maybe it's even true that noone can shut Kobe down one-on-one, but they won't have to because basketball is still a team game. And when others help you, you will be able to at least contain Kobe and force him into low percentage shots. I acknowledge that Kobe is a great player and I'm thankful that he's a Laker. But if you'd ask me if I would rather have Kobe or Lebron? I got to take Lebron. If it is true that he can't be constantly double teamed because he's such a great passer (I never saw it that way until now) then he has a huge advantage over Kobe. That will more than equal out Kobe's better one-on-one scoring skills. Lebron also is taller, bulkier yet still faster than Kobe, his courtvision probably makes him more versatile. I'm convinced that if Lebron is able to develop a near .400 three-point shot he'll once be considered the best player who ever played this game. And wow, that kid is only 20 years old.
Kobe without a doubt. LeBron is over rated and cannot compare himself to Kobe. Kobe is in a different league to LeBron.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Supersonic:</div><div class="quote_post">The kid was a rookie. Cleveland improved as much as they did on the back of LeBron James, it was inevitable they would tire out. It wasn't like Melo in Denver where they had a completely different team.</div> On the back of James? Did the fact that they terribly struggled at the end of the season because Jeff McInnis' injury mean something? Obviously something has to hold up the back so if everything is on James' back, then McInnis has to be the legs and the rest of the roleplayers other body parts. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not disputing roleplayers are important. Odom, Butler, Atkins and Mihm have all been important to the Lakers this season, but that shouldn't take away from Kobe's standing as the lead role.</div> Alright, it just sounded like it when you pointed out there improvement. It sounded as if no one but James deserved credit. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My point is LeBron James is an enigma. He's the biggest young sporting star to hit America since Tiger Woods. More often than not, when you're thinking NBA, you're thinking about LeBron at some point.</div> Okay, and this makes him better than Kobe because he is a rising sporting star. I could careless who he was off the court, what he does on it is what matters. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh did he? Well we'd better discount them then and anything they achieve. Does this make LeBron dropping 43 on the Pistons irrelevant?</div> Or what about Kobe's streak of 40+ points? I guess we better discount him for that too. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What's that prove? That if you take five key players off a team they'll struggle? Oh, thanks for that, Einstein.</div> I was trying to prove how silly your "assumption" theory was. We still wont know for sure if you take Duncan off the Spurs they wont struggle a bit either. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You're assuming. Right now the Cavs are doing well in the East, and it's down to a kid just out of his teens. Would the Pistons have won the title last season if they have to come through the Western Conference Playoffs? Who knows, but that doesn't mean their title is any less significant.</div> I doubt they would have. No it's not down to a kid in his teens. The whole team is why they're doing well. You just have to give credit to Kobe's success against harder opponents. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not confusing anything. It scares me watching James now, just for how good he'll be in the future. But right now he is unstoppable.</div> You proved me right. He will be in good in the future however right now, he is not better than Kobe Bryant. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm interested to know where people are getting this tripe that LeBron isn't clutch? Who have you been watching this season? The ball is always in the hands of LJ at the end of games, and IMO I'd rather it be in the hands of him to Kobe, as defenders have absolutely no idea what's going to happen. LeBron WILL get to the hole at will, if you put too many out to cover him, he WILL find an open man. I read somewhere on here that the Cavs defer from LeBron in crunchtime. The only time LeBron doesn't have the ball in crunchtime is when he's found a teammate with a better look himself. </div> Not really too clutch. I've seen him choke multiple times during crunch time especially when it comes down to freethrow shooting. Whether or not James is clutch, Kobe is more clutch. One can not deny that.
