<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">And those 2nd rounders will probably be junk if they don't have bird rights attached to them. It'll be the same way we lost Gilbert since we couldn't match.</div> it was the stupid contract saint signed him two(just a two year deal) we signed flores two a two year guarenteed third year TO so if we pick it up we have his bird rights, so reallt arenas leaving was all saints fault....
We just need a frontcourt. All we have is Biedrins, Foyle, Dunleavy, Murphy, Najera, DD. 4 of those guys are not good defenders or sucks
Yeah, our frontcourt defense is going to struggle in the immediate from this deal, but all in all it's a pretty good deal. We didn't get a highly paid player, which makes sense because we have a fairly large young core (in my opinion: JR, Murphy, Dunleavy, Pietrus, and possibly Biedrins) and it kind of seems like we are setting up JR to be the team leader. Bringing in a "star" player takes the ball out of JR's hands and in a way nullifies a lot of the great strides he has taken in his game this year. We managed to get an extra pick out of NJ (the original rumor was for the exception and only one second rounder), and they may be pretty good picks. The 2005 should be somewhere in the 30's to low 40's, and by 2007 Kidd may be gone, probably making that pick pretty good too. These picks also give us some leverage in trades. Having the 2005 second rounder makes the Dallas pick less necessary for us to use, and we could possibly trade our #1 + Dallas' #1 for the Bobcat's #1 if we feel like it would be good to move up a couple of spots. They could also be useful in any deals we are considering involving DD.
Well, considering that less than 10% of second rounders stick around in NBA, I won't put any significance in 2nd rounders. After all, we sent 2 second rounders to get Jarko, who was struggling at that time, so we basically traded Cliff for Jarko. If Mullin decided not to do anything with the exception, I will be quite disappointed. Number of teams were pursuing Cliff, and you would think at least one of them offered more than two 2nd rounders. And, if that's the case, there must be a reason why Mullin chased the exception, instead of better package. First, Mullin must be planning for a trade, and he needs an exception to make that happen. Obviously, best scenario possible for us. Second, because of this offseason's massive signings, we cannot add another contract in our payroll, no matter how small they can be. So, Mullin took the best deal, which doesn't give any contract in return. If that's the case, we are in huge trouble for years to come, because our caproom situation isn't getting better anytime soon. Third, either Cohan didn't want to pay Robinson's remaining contract, or Mullin is here to destroy our franchise by taking the worst offer. OK. I am just being bitter . There must be a reason why we got 5 mil TE. Hope we can see the reason why soon...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Dammit, bad move, I think we should have done the Kandiman deal. Doh!</div> Kandi is garbage....and any other player that we would've gotten for Crob would probally be too(unless he was packaged with other players)...would you have rather kept him on the team for the year(taking away time from young players) and just let him walk for nothing at the end of the season? Look at it this way... I dont know much about how TE's work but I know it could be valuble in bringing in a quality player...everything we got from NJ could be packaged to sweeten a deal for a good player...not crap like Kandi...
I would have gotten Kandi over this deal. Sure, he is a garbage. But, if he wasn't, there is no chance for us to get him for Robinson to begin with. Also, he once averaged somewhere near 20/10, so potential is there. At this point, we need a good big man desperately, and only way for us to get a quality big man is either through draft or through gambling guys like Kandi, because nobody will give us a quality big man without significant package in return, and we have no caproom to sign a big man via FA. Even if he remains as a bust, he still is a good for 6 fouls, and it's not like he has 6 years remaining. But, let's see what Mullin can do with the exception...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">I would have gotten Kandi over this deal. Sure, he is a garbage. But, if he wasn't, there is no chance for us to get him for Robinson to begin with. </div> Thats why Im happy with not getting any player for Robinson..I dont see Kandi helping this team much short term or long term...Id take him if it were the only deal on the table but we got enough mediocre players...time to bring in some guys that'll make an impact...
I'm wondering about Bdiddy + Magloire. If they get their number one pick and ours and we use our trade exception + Dale Davis, we have players of value suddenly. Of course that's asking the Hornets to give up too much. Even if Bdiddy wants to go to the clippers, imagine what we could do by sending him and Dunleavy over for maybe Brand and Shaun Livingston. That's a pipedream of course... this will probably also NOT WORK (Everything above). lol. So I guess we become the middle man for 3 way trades or something... But imagine: Magloire Brand Livingston Richardson Claxton 6th man: Murphy. Flores and Fisher would have to be the threat from downtown with Livingston running point forward. He's too skinny and weak to play forward right away. Maybe that's not a good lineup yet because we lack outside shooters, but still I like Livingston's potential and Brand is proven 20/10 offense and defensive presence. Also the contracts are monstrous in the front court, but it's worth it to be good defensively and either one can score and get doubled and hit from midrange.
Besides the uncertain TE, it's a good deal for both teams. Warriors (who seem to be rebuilding, or are gonna be forced to), get 2 picks. Second round or not, any pick can be surprisingly good depending on the scounting, and his development by the organization. Nets get a big man they desparately need that wasn't used too much by the warriors. Good deal for both teams + different conferences = success.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kdub:</div><div class="quote_post"> Nets get a big man they desparately need that wasn't used too much by the warriors.</div> If anything Robinson was OVER used this year...with the lack of offensive production at the center spot Montgomery was forced to start Robinson over Foyle and gave him way too many minutes... He's been out a little while with back problems and a suspention but before that he was playinb quite a bit
So hey guys, how do we use this 5 mil or whatever trade exception. We can't combine a 10mil contract with the 5 mil to get a 15 mil player, right? Unless, we purely did it so we can be part of a 3 team deal that allows teams to swap stars and we end up getting late first rounders instead. I dunno... The funniest was the one where we get Paul Pierce. That would be the day.
