<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">If you win the MVP based on entertainment values in the Rookie Game, then Josh Smith should have won it. His alley-oop dunks were far more entertaining than Melo's jumpers and simple dunks. Scoring and home crowd is what counts. The whole city of Denver probably wanted to see Melo win it, and the NBA gave them their wishes. Melo scored the most points, although not entertaingly, but his points and home-crowd advantage were all it took to get the MVP award. I'm not saying Bosh didn't deserve it, but the NBA is a business.</div> I thought so too, but ultimately they got blown out at the end and lost so, I they couldn't have gotten the MVP. It would have been much harder for the rookies. Iggy, Smith, Deng, Allen, and A.J. Toughie.
ben gordons behind the back on lebron and iggys behind the back travel were probably the 2 nicest non dunk plays
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes you have to entertain the crowd. It is an all-star game, not the playoffs or any other kind of game. The only reason why this was made is for entertainment purposes! Nuff said.</div>You have to entertain I don't doubt that. But to say that because one was more entertaining than the other he won the MVP? C'mon now. Can you see the cracks in that statement??? I can name you the past MVP winners of the Rookie/Sophomore all-star game and I can assure you that they did not win it "just because they were more entertaining than the rest". Puuuuhhhllleeeaasssseee.... I think their performance in the game has a lot to do with winning the MVP. Yes it is an allstar game but you don't throw stats out of the window just because one is more entertaining than the other. Can you disagree with the fact that BECAUSE Melo was in Denver, he had the advantage in winning the MVP award over Bosh? It's in front of everyone else's eyes but yours.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">You have to entertain I don't doubt that. But to say that because one was more entertaining than the other he won the MVP? C'mon now. Can you see the cracks in that statement??? I can name you the past MVP winners of the Rookie/Sophomore all-star game and I can assure you that they did not win it "just because they were more entertaining than the rest". Puuuuhhhllleeeaasssseee....</div> Yeah that is a big part. It's an All-Star game!!! If it were a regualr one, than it would be a big argument but, it wasn't an all-star game. Please do give me some past MVP winners who were not entertaining. That's the whole reason it was made! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think their performance in the game has a lot to do with winning the MVP. Yes it is an allstar game but you don't throw stats out of the window just because one is more entertaining than the other.</div> Some stats you throw out the window. As og pointed out, not many people look at the rebounds in the game. Entertainment is a huge factor in determining a winner.
Whatever....Bosh had the best game out of anyone on that floor. Congrats Bosh! he deserves MVP IMO. Besides....he will be the next ALL STAR from the 2003 class anyways Keep your trophy Melo!
^Well, it is more of personal opinion. I thought Shaq was really entertaining and obviously everyone else thought so and he won the MVP.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Can you disagree with the fact that BECAUSE Melo was in Denver, he had the advantage in winning the MVP award over Bosh? It's in front of everyone else's eyes but yours.</div> Well you guys are Raptor fans. You see things differently than I do. I'm sure some Nugget fans agree with me as well. He did have an advantage in wining because he was in Denver, but if he was anywhere else (other than Toronto) I think would have had a good chance of wining it over Bosh too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah that is a big part. It's an All-Star game!!! If it were a regualr one, than it would be a big argument but, it wasn't an all-star game. Please do give me some past MVP winners who were not entertaining. That's the whole reason it was made! </div>Elton Brand, Big Z, Wally Saslkjfkl;sajfalkjsf to name a few. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Some stats you throw out the window. As og pointed out, not many people look at the rebounds in the game. Entertainment is a huge factor in determining a winner.</div>If some stats are thrown out the window then Brand would not have won it when he did. Entertainment is key but it is not the determining factor as to who win's the MVP. Can you name me one MVP out of any all star game (not just the rookie/sophomore) that won soley on entertainment value? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Well you guys are Raptor fans. You see things differently than I do. I'm sure some Nugget fans agree with me as well. He did have an advantage in wining because he was in Denver, but if he was anywhere else (other than Toronto) I think would have had a good chance of wining it over Bosh too. </div>I don't necessarily think they would agree with you just because you base your decision on who should win the MVP solely on entertainment value. I'm sure Nuggets fans would agree that he probably won because the game was in Denver.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Elton Brand, Big Z, Wally Saslkjfkl;sajfalkjsf to name a few.</div> Well, Elton Brand had a pretty good game. All of there stats were pretty identical but the thing that seperated it at the end was the end came down to overall game. I know I said rebounding is somewhat discounted however, when you have 21 rebounds it is taken into recognition. Bosh had 11 rebounds Brand had 21. Wally completely lit it up (more than Korver) and finished with the most points. Plus I think he got some more sympathy because he was injuried. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If some stats are thrown out the window then Brand would not have won it when he did. Entertainment is key but it is not the determining factor as to who win's the MVP.</div> Yeah, but when stats are so close, you have to do. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Can you name me one MVP out of any all star game (not just the rookie/sophomore) that won soley on entertainment value?</div> No one solely on entertainment but, a combination of that and stats. Melo had a more diverse game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't necessarily think they would agree with you just because you base your decision on who should win the MVP solely on entertainment value. I'm sure Nuggets fans would agree that he probably won because the game was in Denver.</div> So if the game was in any other place Bosh would have automatically won hands down?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Elton Brand had a pretty good game. All of there stats were pretty identical but the thing that seperated it at the end was the end came down to overall game. I know I said rebounding is somewhat discounted however, when you have 21 rebounds it is taken into recognition. Bosh had 11 rebounds Brand had 21. Wally completely lit it up (more than Korver) and finished with the most points. Plus I think he got some more sympathy because he was injuried. </div>Bosh actually had 14 rebounds along with 4 steals and a blocked shot. And when does sympathy have anything to do with winning the MVP? Stats my friend. Stats have a big part to do with winning the MVP. Just admit it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Please do give me some past MVP winners who were not entertaining.</div>^BTW You did ask me if I could name past MVP's that were not entertaining and I did just that. What can you say now? That entertainment argument is in the garbage now. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, but when stats are so close, you have to do. </div>No I don't think so buddy. You don't have to do it. You just don't realize that Yes it is an all star game but stats are 90% of the reasons why someone is an MVP. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No one solely on entertainment but, a combination of that and stats. Melo had a more diverse game.</div>Melo had a more diverse game is one of the reasons that he was MVP? Now you talking some mad ish right there. Get that garbage out of here. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So if the game was in any other place Bosh would have automatically won hands down?</div>I never said hands down but because Melo was in Denver and because he scored 31 it was almost automatic that he would get the MVP even though Bosh had the better stat line.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Bosh actually had 14 rebounds along with 4 steals and a blocked shot. And when does sympathy have anything to do with winning the MVP? Stats my friend. Stats have a big part to do with winning the MVP. Just admit it.</div> Stas are a big part of the game. Wally had the better stats too with 27 points and in addition to that he was probably sypathy was taken into consideration. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^BTW You did ask me if I could name past MVP's that were not entertaining and I did just that. What can you say now? That entertainment argument is in the garbage now.</div> They were entertaining. Watching Wally shoot the lights out! Watching Brand being an absolute beast on the boards is very entertaining. No the argument wasn't garbage now because they were entertaining. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No I don't think so buddy. You don't have to do it. You just don't realize that Yes it is an all star game but stats are 90% of the reasons why someone is an MVP.</div> Yeah, but their stats were all pretty good. It was close and I'm sure the fact he entertained more was taken into consideration. I even heard an announcer say you would have never knew Bosh was playing so long. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Just because Melo had a more diverse game he was MVP? Now you talking some mad ish right there. Get that garbage out of here.</div> What Garbage? I said that before. It's not ish or anything. While calling my posts garbage I am tempted to say something however, I'll be the bigger man. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said hands down but because Melo was in Denver and because he scored 31 it was almost automatic that he would get the MVP even though Bosh had the better stat line.</div> Yeah but his entertainment was factored into the equation as well. Man of Bosh's points in fact I think just about all of them were in the paint. A good amount of them were easy shots and many were handed to him as well.
god...the whole argument of "variety of shots" is so lame. what about the years shaq won it....most of his points came in the paint. same with the year KG won it. i think he took like 3 jumpers that year so what if boshs points were in the paint!? ALL of shaqs poins come in the paint. bosh is a power forward, melo is a small forward...do we have to get into how different positions tend to take different shots? god man...you dont think bosh had a good enough game...most of us do. lets leave it at that
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Stas are a big part of the game. Wally had the better stats too with 27 points and in addition to that he was probably sypathy was taken into consideration.</div>Now it's entertainment, stats, and sympathy? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They were entertaining. Watching Wally shoot the lights out! Watching Brand being an absolute beast on the boards is very entertaining. No the argument wasn't garbage now because they were entertaining.</div>This discounts everything you have said up to this point. You have previously stated that you have to entertain the crowd to win and also the fact that Melo had nice layups blah, he was more entertaining therefore he wins the award. How does grabbing rebounds entertain the crowd? How does shooting mid range jumpers entertain? Maybe to you but I'm sure to the average fan it does not. And you forgot to mention the Big Z who also took the MVP as well. These players by NBA standards are not entertaining as a Melo, Lebron, Kobe, JRich. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, but their stats were all pretty good. It was close and I'm sure the fact he entertained more was taken into consideration. I even heard an announcer say you would have never knew Bosh was playing so long. </div>No it doesn't. Stats and whether your team wins or not is the only thing that matters in any game, even the all star game. Btw what does Bosh playing long have to do with entertainment? You just went two ways with that argument. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What Garbage? I said that before. It's not ish or anything. While calling my posts garbage I am tempted to say something however, I'll be the bigger man.</div>Good for you. But really I can't say that I haven't seen other posts where your statements are more or less lacking in several departments such as being logical. We can discuss more on PM. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but his entertainment was factored into the equation as well. Man of Bosh's points in fact I think just about all of them were in the paint. A good amount of them were easy shots and many were handed to him as well.</div>No it wasn't. We can take this to the all star forum and get the consensus but entertainment had jack to do with him winning.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">god...the whole argument of "variety of shots" is so lame. what about the years shaq won it....most of his points came in the paint. same with the year KG won it. i think he took like 3 jumpers that year</div> The way they did it is what seperated from Bosh. KG left everyone in the dust with his stats. No one came close to him. Shaq is very entertaining and the way he does everything makes him fun to watch. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">so what if boshs points were in the paint!? ALL of shaqs poins come in the paint. bosh is a power forward, melo is a small forward...do we have to get into how different positions tend to take different shots? god man...you dont think bosh had a good enough game...most of us do. lets leave it at that</div> He didn't have a very entertaining game whether they play the position or not. Shaq's moves are fun to watch and what he does on the court is very entertaining. Watching how big he is and yet so quick is very entertaining at least to me and everyone else at the all-star game. I said he had a good game numeous times. Where do you get that idea?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Now it's entertainment, stats, and sympathy? </div> I said, you have to entertain the crowd. I also said stats are improtant, and I also said Wally got the award probably because that was factored in too. What's so hard to understand. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This discounts everything you have said up to this point. You have previously stated that you have to entertain the crowd to win and also the fact that Melo had nice layups blah, he was more entertaining therefore he wins the award. How does grabbing rebounds entertain the crowd? How does shooting mid range jumpers entertain? Maybe to you but I'm sure to the average fan it does not. And you forgot to mention the Big Z who also took the MVP as well. These players by NBA standards are not entertaining as a Melo, Lebron, Kobe, JRich. </div> Well grabbing 21 rebounds is entertaining. Shooting the lights out and getting 27 points is entertaining too. Big Z had the best overall game and no one else was overly entertaining. There was no Jrich, Melo, Kobe or LBJ in that asg. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No it doesn't. Stats and whether your team wins or not is the only thing that matters in any game, even the all star game. Btw what does Bosh playing long have to do with entertainment? You just went two ways with that argument.</div> Entertainment is important in the asg. Exactly he was so unentertaining to that specific commentator, that he didn't even know he was there. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Good for you. But really I can't say that I haven't seen other posts where your statements are more or less lacking in several departments such as being logical. We can discuss more on PM.</div> Same thing for you too, I haven't seen many of your posts that aren't knocks and have real substance to them. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No it wasn't. We can take this to the all star forum and get the consensus but entertainment had jack to do with him winning.</div> Why don't we do that.
The rook'soph MVP doesn't mean much in my opinion anyway. Its basically who can put up the most points without trying. IMO Bosh could have had 20 rebs with that many missed jumpers, so his other stats don't really matter. In that game only points made a difference, so Melo deserved it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post"> He didn't have a very entertaining game </div> thats an opinion...not a fact at the end of the day...they both deserved it, but melo was in his hometown so give it to him. just because YOU didnt think he had a very entertaining game doesnt make him any less deserving. this is the most redundant conversation in the history of the universe...how many times can i read the same thing over and over again? im out like mullets...pz!
