pointless no point in speculating when we are this close to the deadline. Whatever happens happens. (i dont think this will happen )
^If there was no point at speculating then why would we have such threads on potential trades in almost all the forums. This is a message board, the whole point is to discuss these rumours and debate.
Well I kind of have to agree with the point that there's no point in speculating, at least with Babcock. Remember the way the Carter trade went down? Nets weren't even mentioned in any of the rumours and Walla! I bet if Babcock pulls a trade before the deadline it'll be something we never heard of, and hopefully it'll be a good one.
i dont get that either CV. if there is no point in speculating, then doesnt that take all the fun out of talking about trades? its ALL speculation untill a trade goes down, so by that logic, discussing any trade is pointless. in which case if thats how you feel, then why even bother posting in here?
hey guys just a thought since the topic is about trades or potential trades there is one nagging question on my mind...here goes... if we trade jalen for hardaway (not that i want to) and NY puts in jamal crawford in the deal and we make up the difference in salary with a palacio or aaron williams or whatever would you guys do it? hardaway's contract does expire at the end of next season or do you hold on to jalen and forget jamal, bottom line is, is it worth it?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rumsomal:</div><div class="quote_post">hey guys just a thought since the topic is about trades or potential trades there is one nagging question on my mind...here goes... if we trade jalen for hardaway (not that i want to) and NY puts in jamal crawford in the deal and we make up the difference in salary with a palacio or aaron williams or whatever would you guys do it? hardaway's contract does expire at the end of next season or do you hold on to jalen and forget jamal, bottom line is, is it worth it?</div> I'm not sure if Crawford would be a player we should add... I wouldn't want Baron, but if we could Jamal somehow without Baron I would love it. I would like to get our hands on Nazr Mohammed somehow, if involved in a Jalen trade.
Yea, the thing is NO wouldn't want to give up Magloire without getting rid of BD's contract and Isiah wouldn't get rid of Mohammed. 1 more day and we will find out what Babcock has up his sleeve.
<font color="red">Everyone post your articles and rumours in this thread only please. I just want to keep them in one place to avoid cluttering the Raptors forum.</font> <font color="black"><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> With the NBA trade deadline just one day away, Raptors forward Donyell Marshall continues to draw major interest from around the league. Marshall has been linked to numerous trade rumours, with the Indiana Pacers reportedly showing serious interest in recent days. A prospective deal would send Marshall and backup point guard Milt Palacio to the Pacers for Austin Croshere, James Jones and Anthony Johnson, according to a league source. Another rumour has Marshall being shipped to Indiana for Pacers centre/forward Scot Pollard. That deal would make sense from both a player and financial perspective. Marshall, in the final year of his contract, will make $5.3 million US this season while Pollard, who has one more year left on his deal after this season, is making $5.8 million and will earn $6.2 million next year. Pollard, 30, would be an improvement over rookie Rafael Araujo in terms of rebounding and offence. </div> Source</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">thanks but no thanks, I'd much rather start new, build around Bosh and draft some decent players around him. We already know what it is like to be handcuffed by cap problems and it ain't pretty.</div> I do agree that it would be a mistake to take the contract of such a volitile player. Starting again and building fresh sounds like a better idea, but Babcock has not shown a thing that would make me believe in him. He drafted a Dud (Hoffa) with an extremely high pick, gave Rafer a large, long contract (there is already talk toronto is shoppin him) and got rapped in the Vince deal (bought out Zo, AWill dosen't play, and EWill wants out). I could have made better deals.
Any1 see that Indiana Pacers' trade rumour? ... It was involving 'Yell/Milt for Scot Pollard/James Jones/Anthony Johnson... I personally don't like it, i mean Milt the MVP candidate is involved.. and i don't see anything besides cap relief in this trade, but Johnson has a long contract so i heard..
^I wouldn't mind seeing Croshere and James Jones in a Raptors uniform but in the long run I don't see those pieces sticking with us at all. I would much rather move Donyell something that would benefit our long term future then the short term.
How can we trade the MVP Milt Palacio? Thats absurd. I don't like either of the deals involved with Indiana.
i dont think any of these deals will go through....babcock probably has a deal being discussed that nobody knows of....lets hope he doesn't screw us over like the trade with vc.
<font color="Red">The Baron trade is over</font>, that's not going to happen anymore. For those who were wondering as to why we'd do it, Baron is a Top 3 PG when healthy. He's capable carrying a team, and of both scoring and passing very well, and is a very good defender when he's knees or back isn't killing and he can move. If we were able to get him, he wouldn't even have to play, but he could be an asset in the off-season to use in a trade. We can't trade Milt because of the amount of marketting he brings to the team, but I'd do it for the greater good of the team. I'm not a big fan of Austin Croshere's contract though, he's a good player, posssible 16-8 guy as a 35+ MPG starter, and has a good jumpshot, but too much money. Also I hope I never see or hear about Jamal Crawford coming to the Raptors, chucker, no defense, weak rebounder, very soft, and doesn't get to the line at all, he's a fairly good passer, and can score though very inefficiently.
My Trade Idea: #1 Toronto trades: SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) Toronto receives: PG Eddie Gill (3.5 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 13.7 minutes) SG Fred Jones (11.2 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 32.3 minutes) C Scot Pollard (4.5 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.1 minutes) Change in team outlook: +0.5 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and +1.2 apg. Indiana trades: PG Eddie Gill (3.5 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 13.7 minutes) SG Fred Jones (11.2 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 32.3 minutes) C Scot Pollard (4.5 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.1 minutes) Indiana receives: SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) Change in team outlook: -0.5 ppg, -0.0 rpg, and -1.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED #2 Toronto trades: SG Jalen Rose (17.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.7 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) Toronto receives: PF Austin Croshere (9.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 26.6 minutes) SF Jonathan Bender (5.1 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 13.3 minutes) SF Ron Artest (24.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.1 apg in 41.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +3.3 ppg, +1.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg. Indiana trades: PF Austin Croshere (9.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 26.6 minutes) SF Jonathan Bender (5.1 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 13.3 minutes) SF Ron Artest (24.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.1 apg in 41.6 minutes) Indiana receives: SG Jalen Rose (17.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.3 apg in 30.7 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) Change in team outlook: -3.3 ppg, -1.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Before anybody poo-poos the trade based on Bender's injuries or Croshere's contract understand that they make combined about the same as Jalen Rose AND both contracts expire the same year Jalen's does. The only difference is they arent has good/healthy. Indiana could benefit and make a big push into the playoffs. The can loose Croshere and Bender without to much trouble, and Ron's out for the year. They'd pick up a double double guy in D. Marsh, a wicked 3 shooter and solid all around player, Eric Williams, a great perimeter defender with a solid low post game, AND Jalen returns to where it all started for him, and a chance to get his game back to what it used to be. Indiana would have an insanely deep team. C-J.Oneal F-Marshall F-S. Jackson G-Jalen Rose G-Jamal Tinsley G-Fred Jones F-Eric Williams C-Pollard G-Reggie Miller G-Anthony Johnson C-David Harrison G-James Jones Also, while they sacrifice some future potential with Ron Artest they gain some flexibility with D. Marsh's contract ending and Eric Williams being very affordable and a fairly good trade assest since he does something that most teams need...hustle. I think they're lineup would make them solid contenders NOW, while also still having several young players and expiring contracts to move forward with. Win Win situation. Toronto would get one of the best players in the league(opinion) and definetly the best defender in Ron Artest, although he comes with some baggage being tagged has a bad boy. His intensity and fire is exaclty what Sam Mitchell needs for this team and his style of coaching. Ron would also compliment Bosh well and maybe bring out some more fire in him. Croshere is talented, his numbers are not bad considering he get so few minutes. But this guy has all the tools to be very solid, he could probably just use a change of teams to get him to what he was. Bender's solid, but injury riddled worse than even B. diddy and he gets some nice coin for his efforts. I think its pretty fair has is, but Indiana might want a little bit more, in which case i'd offer up the first round pick we have from Denver for the 2006/2007 draft, or our pick for the same year. I'd consider.....consider...giving up this years phili pick if they wouldnt budge on it. So basically Ron Artest, J.Bender, A.Croshere for Donyell Marshall, Eric Williams, Jalen Rose, 2006 or 2007 1st rounder Thoughts? Should I Give Rob Babcock a call and tell him to hook it up?
I don't know if I'd want Jonathan Bender... Sure he has a lot of potential but he can't play a full week without an injury here and there. Too slow to play as a swingman (he came in as a SF at 6'10" but grew to 7') and too skinny to play the post. I love Ron as a player but again, I'm not too sure if his volatile personality is what we need with Rafer and Mitchell already having their share of problems, besides he's out until end of the season.
Bender back in Toronto? and Jalen back in Indiana? ... damn... that would be one crazy trade... and so... Croshere is an expire contract... i think... according to realgm.com ... if i read correctly.. and Bender looks promising but injuries just kills him..
Donyell thinks he is staying the year: Article <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Donyell Marshall does not think he has played his final game in a Raptors uniform. "The way things are right now, it doesn't sound too serious," the Raptors forward said yesterday when asked if he expects to be dealt before the NBA trade deadline at 3 p.m. today. "I think it's just talk right now. I haven't heard anything different. Obviously, you hear your name out there, but I don't think there's anything really serious right now." </div>Source: The Toronto Sun Apparently so does Larry Bird: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bird acknowledged talking with Toronto about forward Donyell Marshall but doesn't believe the Raptors will trade him. Marshall's contract expires after this season, and the Raptors are reluctant to take on a long-term financial commitment. Other teams, meanwhile, are reluctant to trade established talent for a short-term player. "You'd have him for 30 games," Bird said. "Then would we be able to re-sign him? Probably not."</div> Source: The Indianapolis Star I agree for the most part with Babcock's vision that we would only deal Donyell for something that can help us in the long term. Frankly the only rumoured deal that I wanted to go down was either Donyell for Dorell Wright of Miami or Donyell for Dalembert. Both of which are not going to happen at all. If we can get rid of him for a 1st rounder or early second rounder I would not be against that but as of right now, it looks like everyone is trying to low ball us. I hope he gets traded but only for a deal that works for us in the long term. More News: Jalen is is watching the ticker.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "Everybody knows it. It's on everybody's calendar just like the (NBA season) schedule. We all know it's at 3 o'clock Eastern, 12 o'clock Pacific," he said after the Raptors' workout at the Air Canada Centre yesterday. Some Raptors, like Chris Bosh and coach Sam Mitchell were dismissing the significance of the deadline, claiming it's business as usual and not a major topic of discussion for the team. But as proof that the deadline is indeed resonating, Rose explained that before Tuesday night's victory over the New Jersey Nets, the Raptors talked among themselves about how it could be their last game together with the current roster.</div> Source
