i kinda happen to like the trade idea i came up with. i dont wanna trade jalen cuz he is a good player to complement bosh. Toronto trades: PG Milt Palacio (5.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 3.6 apg in 19.2 minutes) PF Aaron Williams (1.6 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.2 minutes) C Loren Woods (4.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 16.5 minutes) SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) Toronto receives: PG Bob Sura (10.8 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.4 minutes) Andre Barrett (No games yet played in 2004/05) C Dikembe Mutombo (4.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 13.6 minutes) SF Clarence Weatherspoon (2.2 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: -13.0 ppg, -5.8 rpg, and -1.6 apg. Houston trades: PG Bob Sura (10.8 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.4 minutes) Andre Barrett (No games yet played in 2004/05) C Dikembe Mutombo (4.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 13.6 minutes) SF Clarence Weatherspoon (2.2 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.6 minutes) Houston receives: PG Milt Palacio (5.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 3.6 apg in 19.2 minutes) PF Aaron Williams (1.6 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.2 minutes) C Loren Woods (4.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 16.5 minutes) SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) Change in team outlook: +13.0 ppg, +5.8 rpg, and +1.6 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Toronto and Houston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Toronto and Houston had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. I kinda like the houston one. because donyell's contract is big u have to have throwins like 2nd round picks and stuff. I'd like to know what you think!
wa?? what kinda trade is that?? what exactly did we get back except old bodies?? marshall could at least give us a 1st rounder......i don't like the trade 1 bit....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know if I'd want Jonathan Bender... Sure he has a lot of potential but he can't play a full week without an injury here and there. Too slow to play as a swingman (he came in as a SF at 6'10" but grew to 7') and too skinny to play the post. I love Ron as a player but again, I'm not too sure if his volatile personality is what we need with Rafer and Mitchell already having their share of problems, besides he's out until end of the season.</div> Even if we didnt play bender, its still a trade where we get Artest. And i think Artest would fit well with Mitchell. He's not immature like Rafer, and he plays hard defense and goes hard on offense with good %'s....which is i think why Mitchell is not fond of Rafer. At very lest why didnt we try to send Jalen and Marshall to the Sixers for G. Rob's expiring contract!"
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">At very lest why didnt we try to send Jalen and Marshall to the Sixers for G. Rob's expiring contract!" </div>I think the 76er's didn't want to take on Jalen's humogous contract. He is still the higest paid Raptor and he has 3 more years left on his contract. Babcock is trying to package Rose and Marshall expiring contract together in any trade that has been offered to him. No teams are biting and it looks like Marshall will stay a Raptor for the remainder of the season.
A very hot rumour right now, Chad Ford just said that the Raps and Cavs are discussing this trade: Raptors Trade: Marhsal+Woods Raptors Recieve: Diop+Wagner+Pavlovic. (Wagnor and Diop are free agents this summer)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the 76er's didn't want to take on Jalen's humogous contract. He is still the higest paid Raptor and he has 3 more years left on his contract. Babcock is trying to package Rose and Marshall expiring contract together in any trade that has been offered to him. No teams are biting and it looks like Marshall will stay a Raptor for the remainder of the season.</div> Well they took on Mashborns huge contract...he's gotta make close to what Jalen makes. I think babcock needs to do something...not let Marshall go to waste.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">A very hot rumour right now, Chad Ford just said that the Raps and Cavs are discussing this trade: Raptors Trade: Marhsal+Woods Raptors Recieve: Diop+Wagner+Pavlovic. (Wagnor and Diop are free agents this summer)</div> I like the sounds of that....we'd drop Wagnor and Diop, unless they start to show promise there's no reason to re-sign them. Pavlovic from what i'm told has alot of potential.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">A very hot rumour right now, Chad Ford just said that the Raps and Cavs are discussing this trade: Raptors Trade: Marhsal+Woods Raptors Recieve: Diop+Wagner+Pavlovic. (Wagnor and Diop are free agents this summer)</div>1 more hour to the trade deadline. If Babcock can make this happen it would be golden. But I seriously doubt Paxon would give up Pavlovic just for Marshall.
Toronto trades: SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) Toronto receives: SG Tony Allen (6.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.9 minutes) PF Tom Gugliotta (1.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.9 minutes) Michael Stewart (No games yet played in 2004/05) Change in team outlook: -11.1 ppg, -4.6 rpg, and -1.4 apg. Boston trades: SG Tony Allen (6.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.9 minutes) PF Tom Gugliotta (1.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.9 minutes) Michael Stewart (No games yet played in 2004/05) Boston receives: SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) Change in team outlook: +11.1 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and +1.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Also celts through in 2007 pick they got from Cavs Just a suggestion i have for Babs....
One hour to go. It all comes down to this. Anybody else is relatively nervous? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">Toronto trades: SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) Toronto receives: SG Tony Allen (6.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.9 minutes) PF Tom Gugliotta (1.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.9 minutes) Michael Stewart (No games yet played in 2004/05) Change in team outlook: -11.1 ppg, -4.6 rpg, and -1.4 apg. Boston trades: SG Tony Allen (6.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.9 minutes) PF Tom Gugliotta (1.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.9 minutes) Michael Stewart (No games yet played in 2004/05) Boston receives: SF Eric Williams (8.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (10.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.4 minutes) Change in team outlook: +11.1 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and +1.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Also celts through in 2007 pick they got from Cavs Just a suggestion i have for Babs....</div> Smoking is not good for your health.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">^I second that statment Half an hour to go. Doesn't look like anything is happening.</div> I'm interested to know why the response "smoking is not good for your health". Does that mean you think its a bad trade for the Celts, or the Raptors? I think its reasonable. The Cets get some good players and only really give up Tony Allen. They'd compete in the Atlantic along with Phili. And they dont loose any flexibility since Yell's contract is expiring and E.Will is very affordable and very tradeable. The Raptors loose some talent but get a good young player and a possible pick if it was included. I think its very good.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm interested to know why the response "smoking is not good for your health".</div>He meant smoking that other stuff. Not cigarettes. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Does that mean you think its a bad trade for the Celts, or the Raptors? I think its reasonable. The Cets get some good players and only really give up Tony Allen. They'd compete in the Atlantic along with Phili. And they dont loose any flexibility since Yell's contract is expiring and E.Will is very affordable and very tradeable. The Raptors loose some talent but get a good young player and a possible pick if it was included. I think its very good.</div>This trade is amazing........for the RAPTORS. But I think the trade is unreasonable for the Celtics. Tony Allen just played in the rookie/sophomore game and the direction Danny Ainge is heading, it wouldn't be logical for him to give him up, especially for Donyell and EWill. Danny wants to get younger and even though Donyell will come off the cap it would not serve them to get rid of one of their most promising players in Allen. Also they didn't re-sign EWill last season so I don't know why they would want to bring him back if they didn't want him in the first place. Also Googs and Stewart are both coming off the cap next season. If Danny wanted cap flexibility it would be better for him to let Googs and Stewarts contracts run out rather than acquire Donyells expiring one. BTW 4 minutes to go. Babcock does not make a move at all. I think the scrutiny from the VC trade scared him away from dealing Donyell. That or there were really no deals on the table that were enticing enough to take.
all this thought for nothing...u guys are the best.. Babs better b the most active GM in the NBA this summer or i'm gonna retire the Raps jersey and rock the Sixers
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting simplysic:</div><div class="quote_post">all this thought for nothing...u guys are the best.. Babs better b the most active GM in the NBA this summer or i'm gonna retire the Raps jersey and rock the Sixers</div> yep! same here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">He meant smoking that other stuff. Not cigarettes. This trade is amazing........for the RAPTORS. But I think the trade is unreasonable for the Celtics. Tony Allen just played in the rookie/sophomore game and the direction Danny Ainge is heading, it wouldn't be logical for him to give him up, especially for Donyell and EWill. Danny wants to get younger and even though Donyell will come off the cap it would not serve them to get rid of one of their most promising players in Allen. Also they didn't re-sign EWill last season so I don't know why they would want to bring him back if they didn't want him in the first place. Also Googs and Stewart are both coming off the cap next season. If Danny wanted cap flexibility it would be better for him to let Googs and Stewarts contracts run out rather than acquire Donyells expiring one. BTW 4 minutes to go. Babcock does not make a move at all. I think the scrutiny from the VC trade scared him away from dealing Donyell. That or there were really no deals on the table that were enticing enough to take.</div> I guess you're right...i didnt think about the EWill situation. Boston does have a chance of doing pretty well this season if they picked up those 2 players though, and they still have some young talent to develop. So i dont think its crazy. But who knows. I've never been against any of Babs moves, even when most people were bashing them (Hoffa, VC) however if he does nothing with Marshall i'll be a little perplexed. There's gotta be someone out there with a young player and a player thats got a mid sized expiring contract that isnt producing. Marshall would make any team better, so i dont understand it. I liked the Dorrel Wright thing, i like tony allen, i like Pavlovic....anything.
An article for those very dissapointed in the non-activity of Babcock <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> There is a strong chance the Raptors will not make any trades today. That's not to rule out the possibility. You know how these things go. A large number of NBA teams have made lame offers for Raptors forward Donyell Marshall. Somehow these teams got the impression the Raptors might be fooled into giving up something for nothing. Now where, pray tell, would they get such an idea? Anyway, some clubs may up the ante today as the league deadline approaches at 3 p.m. But as of last night nothing yet had tickled the fancy of Raptors general manager Rob Babcock, who to this point is known as the man who traded Vince Carter for three barely warm bodies and a couple of long-shot draft picks. </div> Source
wow we get nothing in return for marshall who will most likely resign somewhere else this summer ....i couldn't believe we cant even get a 1st rounder or something decent for marshall
