I can't believe this. I am actually in awe right now. Not because someone has done something right but because someone has done something definitely WRONG. How can Babcock not move Marshall? I mean for at least a second rounder or a prospect. Does he really think that we can still make the playoffs this year? So many questions that really lead me to one answer: Everyone in the Raptors organization must go. Peddie, Babcock, Mitchell, The owners...EVERYONE. The owners were in charge of hiring Peddie, Peddie was in charge of hiring Babcock, and Babcock was in charge of hiring Mitchell, making the VC trade and to top it all off he comes in the media today spouting off some incoherent quotes about making a run at the playoffs and not seeing any good deals on the table. IF you ask me: Babcock is gun shy after making the Vince trade. BTW here is an article regarding our non-activity today: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font face="Times">Toronto Raptors GM Rob Babcock has opted to stick with his roster for the remainder of the season. </font> "We did not make a trade," Babcock told reporters after the 3 p.m. trade deadline came and went today. "We weren't interested in just dumping salaries." Babcock and the Raptors made no deals despite the team's 22-32 record, and recent struggles on and off the court. "If we can turn the corner here, we can maybe make a run down the stretch," Babcock said. Guard Jalen Rose and forwards Donyell Marshall and Eric Williams were linked to numerous trade rumours over the last couple of weeks. "We weren't trying to move Donyell but there were a number of teams interested in him," Babcock said. "But he's a desirable player for us as well."</div> Source Basically what he's saying is that he really screwed up today and he hopes that Raptors fans do not notice this debacle of a day. I would have been honestly happy if he was traded for a couple of second rounders, even one second rounder. His comments make absolutely no sense to me at all....... Okay I'm done venting. Looks like we can look foward to a great offseason of non-activity.
look out NBA Championship, here we come! Grunwald was the greatest GM, but at least he got things done.
look out NBA Championship, here we come! Grunwald wasn't the greatest GM, but at least he got things done.
I am not surpized but Babcock not making a trade... they Raptors haven't made a trade at trade deadline since 2001... when they dealt Williamson and some1 i forget...
I'm a little disappointed that we couldn't get anything for Marshall, but I don't understand all the anger toward Babcock for not doing anything. In all likelyhood, the most we could get for Marshall would be some 2nd rounders (sort of like what GS got for Cliff Robinson) and usually 2nd rounders either never pan out in the league or they become bench warmers so what difference would it have made. For those thinking we should've traded Marshall for some young prospects like Wright, Dalembert or Pavlovic, you guys aren't thinking realistically b/c we would've been damn lucky to get something that good for Marshall. And don't bring up how we should've got Nazr Mohammed from the Knicks b/c the Spurs were very lucky they got that deal, that one was mainly due to Isiah Thomas' foolishness. All and all, I'm just glad Babcock didn't do anything stupid like get some long contracts in return for Marshall (e.g. the Baron deal). I'm a little disappointed that we came out with nothing and we couldn't free up a spot for Pape Sow to come off the IL, but it's nothing to get angry about.
^No one in this thread suggested trading for Mohammed. As for the other prospects that were talked about in previous threads (Wright, Dalembert and Pavlovic) we knew they weren't realistic possibilities. I'm sticking by my comments made earlier. Even if Babcock traded Marshall for 2nd rounders I would have been okay with that. The way he is talking it seems like he thinks that the Raptors can make the playoffs this season. This way Marshall keeps on playing, winning us some games but not freeing up enough space for a youngster like Pape Sow to get some time. Where will this get us in the end? Nowhere, no playoffs, no prospects, nothing. I would have been somewhat satisfied with a 2nd round pick, instead we get nothing. Of course we don't want to trade Marshall for people that would saddle us with long term contracts but Babcock could have done waaay better than this.
Come to think of it,, I think trading player-for-picks is impossible by itself. The team acquiring the player must give up a trade exception of equivalent value (within 10% of the player's salary) along with picks, under the CBA. I know New Jersey had $5 million trade exception left from the Kenyon Martin trade but aside from them I don't know anyone else who could've offered the Raps any T.E.
all will be forgotton when one of the two things happen... -raps make the playoffs or -good free agent / trade in the off season and -a promising prospect in this years draft... i like our team...all we need to do is play some d' and show some team unity...we have a decent team assembled, we can score with the top teams in the league...just have to learn some team d' and we might just surprise the atlantic division... a raptor fan can only dream can't i? p.s- i'm not smoking anything right now
i would think that it came down to NO ONE making any offers of young talent or picks for Marshall, and maybe a touch of Babs hoping to resign marshall
I seriously cant see any contenders not making an offer liek 2nd round picks for marshall. So, i dont think its the lack or quality of the offers but Babcock is gun shy after making the VC trade.
Well he's probably not gun shy, but just no good offers came up... I woulnd't trade Marshall for a 2nd rounder no... he's a valuable person. He's a solid player, plus he's a FA at the end of the year which frees up space.... We need to think about the future and not just getting some scrubs with our 2nd rounders because our scouts blow.
If it was the case that there weren't any good trades out there so he decided to do nothing, then why didn't he have the same philosophy with Vince Carter?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well he's probably not gun shy, but just no good offers came up... I woulnd't trade Marshall for a 2nd rounder no... he's a valuable person. He's a solid player, plus he's a FA at the end of the year which frees up space.... We need to think about the future and not just getting some scrubs with our 2nd rounders because our scouts blow.</div> So if we traded him for a second rounder he suddenly doesn't free up space aymore? Please, right now, we have Marshall for the season, don't make the playoffs, get cap space, and lose him at the end of the year because everyone knows he's not coming back. If we trade him for a 2nd round pick, we don't have him for the rest of the year, don't make the playoffs, get cap space, get an additional 2nd rounder, and lose him at the end of the year. Hmmm.... Babcock said he didn't go looking for trades hismelf, you can't expect other people to just give you what you want, if Babcock was actually looking to trade he could've gotten a contending team 1st rounder, or 2 2nd rounders from someone.
Thursday's hangover...... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> TORONTO (CP) - Rob Babcock kept his eye on long-term goals and resisted the temptation of a short-term solution. The Toronto Raptors general manager opted to stick with his roster for the remainder of the season, as Thursday's 3 p.m. EST NBA trade deadline came and went Thursday, despite the team's struggles on and off the court and plenty of league interest in Toronto's players. "If we were going to do any type of trade, it had to be something where we got some players back that we felt strongly about for the future of our franchise and not just a short-term fix," said Babcock. "We weren't interested in just trying to make a run now this year for the playoffs, and then stuff would end up hurting us down the road." </div> Source: Toronto Sun <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Although he didn't identify them, Babcock said a lot of teams expressed interest in certain Raptors ? read Jalen Rose and Donyell Marshall, the latter a free agent this summer ? and there were some deals that came "close." But Toronto balked since no other club was offering the kind of players and contracts the Raptors were keen on. The Raptors haven't made a move before trade deadline since 2001, when they acquired Chris Childs and a 2001 first-round pick from the New York Knicks for Mark Jackson and Muggsy Bogues. Before leaving for Milwaukee yesterday, Marshall, whose name was mentioned most in trade rumours, said he wasn't expecting any news because there had been so little activity as far as he could tell. So even as Toronto's Atlantic Division rivals in New York and Philadelphia made bold strides ? the Knicks adding Malik Rose and two future first-round draft picks and the Sixers adding Chris Webber in a six-player deal ? Babcock said he likes his 22-32 Raptors the way they are.</div>Source: The Toronto Star This one kinda makes me sick..... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">''Our priority was to get another player who could stretch the defense,'' Paxson said. ''Ira (Newble) is a defensive player. Sasha (Pavlovic) is a spot-up shooter. Jiri can defend, handle the ball, put it on the floor and stretch the defense. Jiri gives us all of those things. ''Whenever you can get a better player that upgrades your roster, you do it.'' The Cavaliers also had hoped to add a veteran big man with an expiring contract. Sources say they tried to pry loose Raptors power forward Donyell Marshall. But Toronto nixed a deal supposedly involving DeSagana Diop, Dajuan Wagner and/or Pavlovic. </div>Source
I dont see why you guys are upset. I wouldnt give up Marshall for 2nd round draft picks. Marshall is worth way more than that. Besides, Babcock obviously knows something you guys dont. Thats why he didnt make any trades. Who knows? Maybe they have a plan to work out this whole mess int he offseason. BTW-I would like to know why so many of you are so high on Pape Sow like he's the savior of this team. He's played in what? 2-4 games this year?
The Jury is still out on Babcock until Chris Bosh re-signs with Toronto or bolts for another team. It is not fair to judge his decisions until then. If we all truely knew how to run and NBA team...we wouldn't be on JUSTBBALL.com posting about how to run an NBA team. Rafael Araujo...looks like a bust this year. A couple games he showed like he had something. Next year he may show more. Then year after, a little more. Everyone may become BIG ARAUJO fans in a couple season. If that happens...good for Babcock for picking Hoffa. VC trade....really lob sided right? Every Toronto fan should know.....VC will go back to his 'ol ways. We saw a glimpse of it during the Toronto Game. I don't think Richard Jefferson will get along well with VC on the basketball court. I don't think he is happy with him in NJ since he started to come into his own before he arrived. Sure...he's put up BIG numbers, but he is still in his honeymoon stage. Now....Donyell Marshall....who knows. A lot can happen from now until next year game 1. Maybe he will sign back....maybe he won't. Maybe he is clearing cap room to re-sign CB4. Anyways.....we just don't know how all these changes will work out until they work out....and it hasn't worked out just yet.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Carcharias:</div><div class="quote_post">The Jury is still out on Babcock until Chris Bosh re-signs with Toronto or bolts for another team. It is not fair to judge his decisions until then. If we all truely knew how to run and NBA team...we wouldn't be on JUSTBBALL.com posting about how to run an NBA team. </div> Took the words right outta my mouth.
It's the VC hangover boys, it's the VC hangover. He's afaid to make a trade and turns out like the VC one, so he's being overlly catious which is not good when you're a GM at this level. However, I don't want him to be Isiah and just make a trade to appear in the first page of the daily news.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">However, I don't want him to be Isiah and just make a trade to appear in the first page of the daily news.</div>I hear that. As much as I hate Babcocks non-activity on the deadline, I am equally grateful that he didn't make a bonehead move that Isiah did. I guess we have to find our silver linings somewhere......
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont see why you guys are upset. I wouldnt give up Marshall for 2nd round draft picks. Marshall is worth way more than that.</div> So you'd give Marshall up for nothing? I laugh at all the people that actually think Marshall is going to come back next season, with all the drama we have on this team, no certainty of playoffs, and the fact that he'll always be behind Bosh, yea, that's what every player wants. Marshall is not coming back, and we're not likely to get anything for him. Babcock was definately scared, he made a bad deal in the VC trade, it's pretty obvious, and he was scared of doing something bad again.
