Let's just hope there's a Sig and Trade, cause we have Ye'll's bird rights. Babcock has three MUST's this offseason: - Be very creative in acquiring players that will help the team make the playoffs next season. - Hit a Grand-Slam in the draft. He can't draft projects that'll take 2-3 years to develop. With our pick and Philly's in teh first round, we should get two decent cats. And use teh second rounder to draft a guard not a big man like we did the last million years (JJ Redick anyone?). - DO NOT OVERPAY Bonner!! I'm holding my breath on this move! He might feel desperate and throw the money at a one-dimensional player!
There's probably a 0% chance that Marshall will return to the Raps, but we shouldn't say that we got absolutely nothing for him cuz there's still a chance of a sign and trade in the off-season. For those still pissed at Babcock for not trading Marshall, you should also look on the bright side of keeping him. If we were to get rid of him then who would take his place for the remainder of the season? We all seen what happened to Bosh when Marshall was injured (he was seriously fatigued and stuggled as a result), so you have to put that into consideration. The last thing I would want for the remaining games is to see Bosh being forced to shoulder all the physical work in the front court. We all know that he's not ready for that and it would only affect his development as a result. Remember, he was already forced to endure a lot last season, so would it be wise to sacrifice his health and development for just a measley 2nd rounder?
now im praying that we luck out on draft picks and donyell lets us sign and trade him...which i highly doubt. Eveyrone in the atlantic but the raptors made moves. (well..sorta). I am very made @ the organization now. and dunno what the HELL the 'cock was thinking. And even ifBosh was fatigued when MArshall is gone, we most likely would have gott somebody we coulda play still. Even if not, right now it s loosk as if a 2nd round pick is better than nothing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If we were to get rid of him then who would take his place for the remainder of the season? We all seen what happened to Bosh when Marshall was injured (he was seriously fatigued and stuggled as a result), so you have to put that into consideration. The last thing I would want for the remaining games is to see Bosh being forced to shoulder all the physical work in the front court. We all know that he's not ready for that and it would only affect his development as a result. Remember, he was already forced to endure a lot last season, so would it be wise to sacrifice his health and development for just a measley 2nd rounder</div> Loren Woods was starting earlier in the season, and their's Bonner, Araujo, Aaron Williams, and we'd activate Pape Sow if Marshall was traded, it would be a very good chance to develop the young guys. Common, our coaches aren't Kevin O'neil, they won't put Bosh at center. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "ESPN":</div><div class="quote_post">ESPN reporter Chad Ford confirmed today that there were good offers on the table for Donyell Marshall that Babcock refused to pull the trigger on. Miami's Dorell Wright and expiring contracts were available for one - and he mentions good offers with the emphasis on the plural. Raptors fans can also infer that Nazr Mohammed could have been had. Chad Ford refered to Toronto and New Orleans as giving Portland a run for their money as the most dysfunctional franchise in the NBA and went on to describe Babcock as "still traumatized from botching the Vince Carter trade" and who "couldn't muster the courage to pull the trigger on a deadline deal for Donyell Marshall". He also accurately notes that the implications of this are: "Instead, they'll just play out the next 20 games and watch Marshall walk out the door July 1." </div>
I really doubt the Dorrell Wright thing. If we could of gotten him from the Heat without taking Eddie Jones or doing anything big with other players besides Marshall, than Babcock truley is an idiot. I seriously doubt he was offered though for Marshall. I don't care if we got nothing for Marshall, I don't want him on the team. He's a good guy, and player and all, but in the end he's not going to help us. Face it, we're not making the playoffs and Marshall is not going to resign. Plus, he wants us, so those are all 3 major reasons on why we should of traded Marshall. Even for a 2nd round pick, or a pair, we could of gotten some good out of it, and it would benefit 'Yell too, because he was dissapointed that he was not traded. Take away Marshall from the team for a 2nd rounder, and that opens up a roster spot for Pape who wants to play for us, and it gives us a pick in a future draft. Honestly...If their was a way to just give him away for nothing, I would.
Wow, this franchise is really headed in the rigth direction, huh? I see why Babcock made the move (or lack of) to keep Yell in T.O but from a clearer picture, nobody really wants to go to Toronto and play in the summer so this whole cap space and all that isn't really convincing me. If Cleveland had offered 3 players for one in Donyell Marshall, I would have taken it because there really is no point in having Yell around right now. We (most likely) won't make the playoffs and make the playoffs or not, he will bolt T.O in the summer, that is guaranteed. So why lose him for absolutely nothing? Atleast we could have gotten some decent players in the 3 that were offered to us and it would have given us more trade bait in the summer. Babcock has a lot of bait players on this team that others might bite on (ISIAH WHERE DID YOU GO?) but guess we couldn't pull it off. I really would have loved to see an overhaul of the roster. Hopefully in the summer we get rid of Rose, Yell and anybody else who wants to go. We are really stacked this year with solid players that can't mesh together and players who play defense one night and act like they're playing Horse the next day. I have sincere doubts about Rob Babcock now and if he doesn't do anything this summer I'll be the first one on a fire Peddie and Babcock protest in the GTA. Hope to see you in the summer haha.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Loren Woods was starting earlier in the season, and their's Bonner, Araujo, Aaron Williams, and we'd activate Pape Sow if Marshall was traded, it would be a very good chance to develop the young guys. Common, our coaches aren't Kevin O'neil, they won't put Bosh at center.</div>When Loren Woods was starting, that was when Bosh started to struggle due to fatigue..... and I doubt Bonner, Araujo, Williams, or Sow would've been as effective as Marshall in the front court to help out Bosh. And I know Bosh won't be playing center..... he was a pf at the start of the season and he still suffered from being overworked. As for Babcock, I'm not a supporter of his, I just think it's unfair to put him down based on the whole Marshall issue. First of all, we don't actually know if there's truth behind some of the rumours like the Wright deal (which I really doubt is true considering how Riley said he was untouchable). Most deals being discussed (whether it be rumours or just made-up scenerios) are just speculation at this point. Secondly, any realistic trade scenerio, that doesn't involve us receiving a long-term contract in return, wouldn't make any significant changes. I think many of us are looking at the other Atlantic Division teams and seeing how they made moves yet we did nothing at all, but don't compare us to them. Quite frankly, I don't see how the trades really benefitted New York or Boston, and Philly's trade made them better, but they took the risk of signing a monster contract, which is something we definitely did not want to do. That being said, if there was truth to that Wright deal or any other deal that would've fit into our long-term goals, then I'd have to question Babcock's inability to make a move. I have doubts about Babcock just as much as everyone else here and to be honest, I'm still not convinced about any moves he's made so far. But with this Marshall issue, I just think some of you are making too much fuss about it.
I don't know what type of trades would be available. I wouldn't want to take on Malik Rose's contract. It has 4 more years left, after this season and he isn't a great player. He just played off of TD's double teams. I really doubt that Dorell Wright was on the table, Riley isn't a dumbass. He might have asked Yell + pick for Wright. I don't think that we could have gotten Dalembert either. We could have done a Donyell for Corliss Williamson + pick. I have a feeling there wasn't too much out there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">So you'd give Marshall up for nothing? I laugh at all the people that actually think Marshall is going to come back next season, with all the drama we have on this team, no certainty of playoffs, and the fact that he'll always be behind Bosh, yea, that's what every player wants. Marshall is not coming back, and we're not likely to get anything for him. Babcock was definately scared, he made a bad deal in the VC trade, it's pretty obvious, and he was scared of doing something bad again.</div> I never said that he's going to come back..I would love for him to come back, but I never said he's coming back for sure. I dont know that for sure and neither do you..so you can laugh all you want. Ok so let's say we got the two draft picks and the cap room.. for 1, most second rounders are busts anyways who needs any more of that on this team? We have enough as it is..what do you think the Raptors could possibly get in the 2nd round??? And second of all..you guys all talk about cap space this, cap space that. They can have all the money they want to sign free agents in the summer..but how many of you actually think that a legit superstar would want to come here and play?? Its gonna end up like the Bulls..when TMac, TD and a few other superstars turned down all that money. And look who they ended up signing? Eddie Robinson? All that money will go towards signing Bosh long term.. Personally, I wouldnt want to come to Toronto if I were a superstar NBA player. Basketball gets no love in this country, let alone the Raptors in T.O. This country is a die hard hockey country.
^ Who's talking about getting cap space to sign big free agents, we need cap space so that we're not paying luxury tax, and even when signing our own players we don't go over so much. I don't get your point, we got Bonner and sow in the second round right? Well if Marshall stays we have less than a second round pick which is nothing, a sign and trade is not likely to happen, but we can hope. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> When Loren Woods was starting, that was when Bosh started to struggle due to fatigue..... and I doubt Bonner, Araujo, Williams, or Sow would've been as effective as Marshall in the front court to help out Bosh. And I know Bosh won't be playing center..... he was a pf at the start of the season and he still suffered from being overworked.</div> The reason Bosh has been having it easier inside is not because of Marshall, please, Marshall is no bull downlow, the only guy that would get Bosh "less fatigued" inside would be Araujo. ...but, Bosh wasn't getting fatugued because Loren Woods was playing, he was getting fatigued like all of our players because we were playing almost all out games on the road, it's expected. Marshall is not stronger than Woods, Bonner, or Aaron Williams, Marshall doesn't do anything to stop Bosh from being fatigued, please.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">^ Who's talking about getting cap space to sign big free agents, we need cap space so that we're not paying luxury tax, and even when signing our own players we don't go over so much. I don't get your point, we got Bonner and sow in the second round right? Well if Marshall stays we have less than a second round pick which is nothing, a sign and trade is not likely to happen, but we can hope. The reason Bosh has been having it easier inside is not because of Marshall, please, Marshall is no bull downlow, the only guy that would get Bosh "less fatigued" inside would be Araujo. ...but, Bosh wasn't getting fatugued because Loren Woods was playing, he was getting fatigued like all of our players because we were playing almost all out games on the road, it's expected. Marshall is not stronger than Woods, Bonner, or Aaron Williams, Marshall doesn't do anything to stop Bosh from being fatigued, please.</div> Bonner is a one dimensional player besides the Bulls drafted him not the Raptors, Sow has played no more than 5 mins at best in one game. Yet you guys praise him like he's the savior of this team. Do you guys know something about him that everyone else doesnt? Because you guys are the only ones that seem to be praising this guy. Im not questioning his talent or his skill..Ive never seen him play a whole lot. Thats all.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">The reason Bosh has been having it easier inside is not because of Marshall, please, Marshall is no bull downlow, the only guy that would get Bosh "less fatigued" inside would be Araujo. ...but, Bosh wasn't getting fatugued because Loren Woods was playing, he was getting fatigued like all of our players because we were playing almost all out games on the road, it's expected. Marshall is not stronger than Woods, Bonner, or Aaron Williams, Marshall doesn't do anything to stop Bosh from being fatigued, please.</div>Maybe Marshall doesn't have an impact on Bosh as much as I made it out to be, but there's no denying that he does help him out though. He's not a banger like Araujo, but he does help. But really, that was just one aspect of the whole not trading Marshall thing that I just wanted to point out. It seems I wasn't too convincing with that point, but that doesn't really matter because I still don't see a valid reason for all the hostility toward Babcock for not making a deal at the deadline. I just don't see all the fuss over second rounders or very a late first rounder who won't be seeing much playing time since our roster will be pretty full next season (assuming Bonner and Sow get signed and our 2 first-rounders get reasonable playing time).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Bonner is a one dimensional player besides the Bulls drafted him not the Raptors, Sow has played no more than 5 mins at best in one game. Yet you guys praise him like he's the savior of this team. Do you guys know something about him that everyone else doesnt? Because you guys are the only ones that seem to be praising this guy. Im not questioning his talent or his skill..Ive never seen him play a whole lot. Thats all.</div> I guess you didn't get the Memo that Sow is a clone of Bill Russell...
As for this whole trade deadline thing I have gotten over the hangover. From what I hear this draft is probably the strongest since the year Bosh got drafted. Lots of talent to pick from this years crop and we have TWO picks if I'm not mistaken. Let's focus on making the playoffs and having a good draft.
what i find upsetting is that the knicks let nazr go in exchange for only malik rose. very wierd move. you'd think given the option, taking donyell, a better player then rose, and an expiring contract, theyd rather have donyell. this is a trade we should have done. nazr could do good things in toronto. s'too bad that dead didnt go down i agree too, that even a 2nd rounder would be better...yell's contract comming off the books was happening anyways...this isnt a gain. we loose him and get nothing in return...not a very good deal for us =
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Carcharias:</div><div class="quote_post">The Jury is still out on Babcock until Chris Bosh re-signs with Toronto or bolts for another team. It is not fair to judge his decisions until then. If we all truely knew how to run and NBA team...we wouldn't be on JUSTBBALL.com posting about how to run an NBA team. Rafael Araujo...looks like a bust this year. A couple games he showed like he had something. Next year he may show more. Then year after, a little more. Everyone may become BIG ARAUJO fans in a couple season. If that happens...good for Babcock for picking Hoffa. VC trade....really lob sided right? Every Toronto fan should know.....VC will go back to his 'ol ways. We saw a glimpse of it during the Toronto Game. I don't think Richard Jefferson will get along well with VC on the basketball court. I don't think he is happy with him in NJ since he started to come into his own before he arrived. Sure...he's put up BIG numbers, but he is still in his honeymoon stage. Now....Donyell Marshall....who knows. A lot can happen from now until next year game 1. Maybe he will sign back....maybe he won't. Maybe he is clearing cap room to re-sign CB4. Anyways.....we just don't know how all these changes will work out until they work out....and it hasn't worked out just yet.</div> Vince carter will not just put up big numbers with the nets this year, but he'll continue to get better and better. the game with the raptors, he wanted the raptors to win believe it or not. He was forcing shots, he wasn't playing the way he was playing for the nets befor the met toronto. you can tell im right because the next game against the bucks he droped 26 points, against lebron he droped 34 even thoug he was in foul trouble and shooting good percntage. so just leave da guy alone toronto fans
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Airlfy:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince carter will not just put up big numbers with the nets this year, but he'll continue to get better and better. the game with the raptors, he wanted the raptors to win believe it or not. He was forcing shots, he wasn't playing the way he was playing for the nets befor the met toronto. you can tell im right because the next game against the bucks he droped 26 points, against lebron he droped 34 even thoug he was in foul trouble and shooting good percntage. so just leave da guy alone toronto fans</div> lol...good one!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">what i find upsetting is that the knicks let nazr go in exchange for only malik rose. very wierd move. you'd think given the option, taking donyell, a better player then rose, and an expiring contract, theyd rather have donyell.</div> I thought the same thing at first...I then realized that the Spurs gave them a 1st round pick, all be it a low one, it's still a first rounder. Isiah probably would have asked for our first rounder as well (or one of ours), and maybe ask for more because we're in the same conference, and in the same division as them.
