Marvin Williams

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  1. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    This year's draft is fairly weak, which has inflated Marvin Williams stock. Also with a team from Charlotte looking to boost ticket sales, Marvin Williams could slip into the top 3. I agree with Hunter, his shot is shakey, he is shooting a high % from behind-the-arc, but he's only taken 30 or so the entire season, which is about 1 per game. He does have the skills to be a good pro player, he has an explosive first step, can dribble the ball low, and he can jump out of the gym. I'd like to see him play one more season at NC and become more of the go to guy on the team and improve on his team defense. Right now he's only averaging 6.7 FGA per game, because he's surrounded by so many other talented Tar Heels, McCants, Felton, and May. I'd like to see him come back and be the "man" for NC. I'm not sure what the motivation would be for him to return, it's going to depend on if he wants to win an NCAA title before turning pro.
     
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    this kid is great!
     
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    Ironic in the M williams-S Williams matchup the winner has to be Sean May. I question the logic of a reach pick for a 6-11 225 undeveloped Euro when guys like S May,S Williams,W Simien can be had. A power F needs to be a rebounder and the heavy duty types tend to do it well
     
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    In the ACC tournament,low seed Clemson almost dumped NC. With about 3 min left Marvin got over his apathy which made him useless to that point,actually boxed out on a rebound and played DEFENSE 3 straight plays...even got sweaty! The thought of Marvin actually playing hard for a few minutes stunned Clemson and NC survived. Yeah,he's a freshman. I recall Magic as a freshman did not need constant reminders to play D,rebound,give the effort. I waited to see enough of his play,and so far my early impression still holds. Marvin can be a standout but needs far more desire and effort. The NBA has plenty of guys who made their first big $$$$$ on natural talent and were content to just kick back. Right now,I would not take the kid in the top 20 picks. He should stay at NC until he finds some work ethic.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">In the ACC tournament,low seed Clemson almost dumped NC. With about 3 min left Marvin got over his apathy which made him useless to that point,actually boxed out on a rebound and played DEFENSE 3 straight plays...even got sweaty! The thought of Marvin actually playing hard for a few minutes stunned Clemson and NC survived. Yeah,he's a freshman. I recall Magic as a freshman did not need constant reminders to play D,rebound,give the effort. I waited to see enough of his play,and so far my early impression still holds. Marvin can be a standout but needs far more desire and effort. The NBA has plenty of guys who made their first big $$$$$ on natural talent and were content to just kick back. Right now,I would not take the kid in the top 20 picks. He should stay at NC until he finds some work ethic.</div>
    What motivation does he have to return to NC though? Last year he was projected to be a top 5 pick coming out of high school. He decided to go to college, which was a great decision, but it hasn't really improved his draft stock. It might have actually hurt Marvin Williams stock and dropped him out of the top 5 picks. The Tarheels have a great chance at winning it all, but even if they don't, is winning a National Title enough to make him stay?
     
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    "Projected" is like a blind date-not usually as expected. To me Marvin can and should prove he intends to build his natural tools into a quality game. Luke Schenser was a factor today-Marvin was not...its that simple. In the last few days I was very impressed by Saleem Stoudamire,Danny Granger,Bogut, Nate Robinson, Andrew Brackman,Wayne Simien,Sheldon W,Sean May,Taylor Coppenrath,and NOT Marvin Williams. Being in the ACC tournament is not motivating? National TV? I don't have room on my team for the guy as is-maybe next year
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">"Projected" is like a blind date-not usually as expected. To me Marvin can and should prove he intends to build his natural tools into a quality game. Luke Schenser was a factor today-Marvin was not...its that simple. In the last few days I was very impressed by Saleem Stoudamire,Danny Granger,Bogut, Nate Robinson, Andrew Brackman,Wayne Simien,Sheldon W,Sean May,Taylor Coppenrath,and NOT Marvin Williams. Being in the ACC tournament is not motivating? National TV? I don't have room on my team for the guy as is-maybe next year</div>


    First it's Salim, and secondly, comparing Marvin to Magic as a freshman you should be shamed of yourself. Once again your analysis has fallen off. Marvin has definatly hit a wall the last 2 weeks which will affect Carolina in the tournament. If you think this kid isnt important or his game isnt at a level that will merit a top pick, look at the struggles of Carolina, and including Sean May down low when Williams isnt in the game or is playin subpar. When he play well, finishes and plays to his ability, Carolina is damn scary. When he has games like he did yesterday and against Clemson, they struggle. That kind of impact can not go unnoticed unless you dont have the eye to notice the little things other than the amount of sweat on someone's brow!
     
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    If Marvin is still getting hyped as this years top pick-then the "he's only a freshmen" excuses do make it relevant to recall how Magic played as a freshman.. I don't want to have an anti-Marvin crusade,heck,I hope some other teams,grab several of the overhyped guys and the Warriors are forced to make a solid pick. I hope Marvin gives it some thought and makes the adjustments. If he lacked potential none of us would waste time on him. I have seen plenty of guys with some flashy highlights who get too focused on those few Sportscenter moments and wind up in the NBA,years later,still a guy who refuses to upgrade the weak parts of his game,or to stay in shape,or to play hard. When I see such a "red flag" I know that there is a risk the guy may go soft at the worst time,that he might not wise up and ever become the star the team was looking for. Of course,at least I have seen him,and I do know he has real tools. That I can't say about most of the imports. For many of them I only hear rumors of special potential. I noticed plenty in recent NC games vs Duke,Clemson and Ga Tech-mainly that Marvin was playing marshmellow soft,was playing almost no D,was not looking like a guy I'd count on when it mattered. It was very obvious,and consistant with what I'd said from the start
     
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    By the way,Sean May "hit a wall". By the Ga Tech loss he was worn out,he really carried them,him and Felton. Better play by Marvin would have eased the load a bit for May. McCants was off too,and Ga Tech smelled the opportunity.
     
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    Ok, please allow me to stand up and clap and applaud Marvin Williams 20 pt 8 reb performance in his first NCAA Tournament game. I dont wanna hear "oh it was Oakland" ok, thats nice, but it's a confidence booster. Listen to my man Andy Katz on Sports Center talk about big time freshman getting a boost in the early rounds and goin on to help thier team cut em down. The likes of Grant Hill, Mike Bibby, Toby Baily, and several others. But, of course, it's only potential. But potential seems to be primed to make a huge run in the Tourney!
     
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    Once again, I'll have to give my poor bleacher seat butt a rest and stand up and clap. Marvin today goes for 20 and 15, to now be averaging 20pts and 11reb through the first 2 rounds. Not to mention shutting down his opponent as well as hustle play like following his own missed fade away, getting the board, and then driving hard while being fouled and finishing the 3 point play. My only hope is this is a preveiw of the dominence we will see from Marvin next year when he teams with incoming freshman Tyler Hansborough, and Danny Green. (cant remember the other Top 50 kids we have). Here's to you Marvin and your massive potential and Top 5 pick talent!
     
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    if marvin goes in the draft this year he is top three overall and the number one SF with out a doubt
     

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