Chuck Hayes???

"I want to thank you for your maturity and ability to carry on a debate in an intelligent manner. Aside from that, I don't know why you think that Chuck Hayes wasn't the best player on his team. Who else on Kentucky was better than Hayes? The only player that I can think of who might have been better was Azibuike. The Freshmen and Alleyne all have the potential to be better players, but the fact is that they're not better players right now. Anyway, you don't need to lecture me on what kind of player makes the NBA. I'm way ahead of you, Smoove."

I completely agree, all he does is put down others and never listens to anyone else's opinions. And Hayes was the best player on the team definitely. Azubuike was an awesome player, but very streaky, he would have one awesome game and the next not so great. Like the game against MSU. 5 pts/ his average is 15. Hayes is mostly consistant. Thats a true player.

oh yeah and Jsmoove, all of your personal attacks, and swearing, and horrible english, is very annoying, so you should think about stopping it.

 

a 6'6" sf is undersized. it's clear that it would make him a very undersized tweener.. GJ for being "way ahead of me in terms of making it to the pros"

and comparrisons in weight to andrew bogut? just as irrevelant as me saying i love usc's football team. i was just defending myself because you guys think i have this "USC RULES IN EVERYTHING" mentality with all your references of how USC/CAL (WHO THE FLIP SAID I LIKED CAL) didn't make it to the big dance..

and thanks REREM for defending what i said. reggie evans and udonis haslem were better rebounders than hayes. both are roughly 2 inches taller than him. he's an undersized SF, let alone PF. and that would just make him a terrible tweener. they're all hustlers. and i'm going to repeat, that these two DID NOT GET DRAFTED. i would consider hayes a "poor man's evans/haslem," and that supports the fact that he won't get drafted (DOES NOT MEAN HE'LL BE IN THE NBA and pull a haslem/evans)

hayes can't be your best player if azubieke is getting more consideration in mock drafts and national recognition. and azubieke is considered 2nd round right now in 06.

how many role players were actually drafted? ALL HAVE BEEN STARS on their respective teams. even the majority of the undrafted players were star players. the fact of the matter is, the NBA needs hungry players. "nice guys finish last." and besides, many of these stars turn out to be role players in the NBA.

how many 6'6" SFs are there in the league? how many were drafted as 6'6" SF/PFs? NONE. and he's barely passable as a SF.

this is an INTERNET FORUM. i don't care if i spell some words wrong, don't make words out to sound perfectly.. so stop bitchin and bite me. (if i add a couple of "immature" jokes, you can just go bite me. it's an internet discussion, thus not requiring it to be serious)

 

hayes can't be your best player if azubieke is getting more consideration in mock drafts and national recognition. and azubieke is considered 2nd round right now in 06.

Lets see, right there you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT KENTUCKY BASKETBALL. so shut up and stop acting like you do. Its AZUBUIKE, and no he is not getting more consideration, not even a little bit. Hes not even entering the draft right now, and second of all, HAYES is the best player on the team obiviously because last time i checked Azubuike wasn't an all american anything and Hayes was honorable mention. You don't see coaches praising Kelenna like they do Chuck. Seriously, its amazing how you don't know the facts and you act like you do, all you are doing is embarssing yourself and making yourself look very stupid.

"how many role players were actually drafted? ALL HAVE BEEN STARS on their respective teams. even the majority of the undrafted players were star players. the fact of the matter is, the NBA needs hungry players. "nice guys finish last." and besides, many of these stars turn out to be role players in the NBA."
I hate to tell you but Chuck Hayes is the hungriest player I have ever seen in my entire life, He works so incredibly hard, and he has the heart, once again I cannot believe how you keep talking and talking and you have NO idea what you are talking about, it frustrates me because you are putting down a wonderful player who deserves so much. its pathetic how you talk.

this is an INTERNET FORUM. i don't care if i spell some words wrong, don't make words out to sound perfectly.. so stop bitchin and bite me. (if i add a couple of "immature" jokes, you can just go bite me. it's an internet discussion, thus not requiring it to be serious)
thank you for reminding me that it was an internet forum, I kind of forgot. Its okay to spell words wrong put when you can't even come close to proper english its kind of pathetic. Seriously, what is up with the whole "bite me" thing, just to let you know, no one says that anymore, its really "uncool" you should say. I would know I'm a teenager, and frankily I know more about what I am talking about, and thats pretty sad. Its not very appropriate to be swearing on these boards just because most of the people feel you are making a fool out of yourself. So go ahead and respond, ONCE YOU HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. thanks.

 

JSmoove, please watch some college basketball before you come at us with those ludicrus comments. They really aren't worth commenting to, but KentuckyFan pretty much said everthing I'd like to say.

Quit looking at players stats and saying that Azubuike is better just because he averaged 15 points a game. Did he average 11 points/9 boards liike Hayes did...NO! And yeah, he was just as strong as Bogut was. He even too the 7 footer to thw whole and got an and 1. So I think he could make a team even if he's drafted or undrafted just because he can take any defender to the whole with his excellent spin move. He won't be as near the offensive player that he was on college, but I can guarantee that he will be a good defensive player for any team in the NBA!

I rest my case!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKOwnstheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">
Quit looking at players stats and saying that Azubuike is better just because he averaged 15 points a game. Did he average 11 points/9 boards liike Hayes did...NO! And yeah, he was just as strong as Bogut was. He even too the 7 footer to thw whole and got an and 1. </div>

there are many players that took it to bogut and got the and i... does that mean they'll get drafted?

as great as this kid's "heart" seems, nba teams will be afraid to draft him because of his height. competitor? great, there are BUNCH of NBDL players that are competitors. there are a bunch of COLLEGE players that are hungry. fact of the matter is, he's not TALENTED ENOUGH. nba teams DRAFT TALENTED PLAYERS. and when i meant hungry, i meant OFFENSIVELY DOMINATE.

you craps don't listen to me. i never said he won't make a team. goddammit. talk about IGNORANCE (especially when you use it against me)! i mearly said that he's not good enough to get drafted.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">JSmoove, please watch some college basketball before you come at us with those ludicrus comments.</div>

if this is your best excuse, just quit too. honestly, do you think people that coment on foreign players have actually seen their games? at this rate, you guys wouldn't be settled until i saw a front-row game with Hayes.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Seriously, what is up with the whole "bite me" thing, just to let you know, no one says that anymore, its really "uncool" you should say.</div>

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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NBA Draft</div>

keywords: NBA DRAFT, not college skills

Now that means how good you'll be at the pros level. An UNDERSIZED PF/SF, just 6'6" in the pros, is very unlikely to get drafted. he doesn't have the talent, or at least so far, to play an NBA SF. the first comment mentioned how he has poor ballhandling skills. now there are players like devean george that have poor handling skills in the pros, but he's 6'8", shoots 3s and can play SG.

fast forward to Chuck Hayes: he's just 6'6" plays more PF than SF. if he doesn't have good enough ball handling skills and isn't accustomed to playing on the perimeter, it says that he's not good nuff to play the NBA SF. Clearly, he's not going to get drafted.

im really tired of this becuase you guys are continuously arguing over my "lack of watching games." i'm just thinking like a pro scout would do, because players with good hearts and alter-egos are great. sadly, that doesn't make them a guaranteed at least 2nd round.

if you guys don't care for it, i'm done. you guys are overlooking that the NBA drafts talented players, not just players with hearts.

 

Charles Barkley 6-5

 

Actually J-Smoove has a point from one angle. I agree Chuck will be an Nba player,however,it's 50-50 whether he is drafted. I rant about mocks hyping tall skinny 6 point a game backups in Europe,saying these pretenders ought to go early,ahead of guys we all have seen play good ball on TV-yet these raw euros are the fad,so far,and maybe some tall Albanian with no game really will get picked ahead of Salim Stoudamire,Larry Roberts,Ike Diogu,Ryan Gomes. My perspective tends to focus on who,in a few years, is the keeper,rather than guess who the dumbass GMs picking early will go for. So Mocks are to me just a rough outline,with about 60% of the guys about where they get picked and 30% where they should be picked

 

im really tired of this becuase you guys are continuously arguing over my "lack of watching games." i'm just thinking like a pro scout would do, because players with good hearts and alter-egos are great. sadly, that doesn't make them a guaranteed at least 2nd round.

.Jsmoove, you have been my entertainment for the past 2 days. With your lack of KNOWLEDGE, not lack of watching the games. You could watch a million college basketball games, but if you don't watch a few kentucky ones, you have no right commenting on this, because you dont know what he can do. YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, you cannot judge a player if you don't see him in action. The most hilarious part of your post is the fact that you said you're thinking like a pro-scout, because PRO SCOUT'S usually WATCH the player they are talking about or WATCH the player that they think they want.and if you're trying to think like one. then watch Chuck Hayes play a few games, then maybe i would take your horrible opinions into consideration.

fast forward to Chuck Hayes: he's just 6'6" plays more PF than SF. if he doesn't have good enough ball handling skills and isn't accustomed to playing on the perimeter, it says that he's not good nuff to play the NBA SF. Clearly, he's not going to get drafted.

where did you get this from??? I believe that if someone said it, they also have little knowledge of Chuck Hayes like you do. You're right, hes not accustomed to playing on the perimeter, because he can take 7 foot guys to the hole, and he can stop them dead in their tracks, he guards them, gets rebounds over them, and shoots over them, so this to is wrong.

if you guys don't care for it, i'm done. you guys are overlooking that the NBA drafts talented players, not just players with hearts.

TELL ME ONE THING... if he wasn't talented would he be sec defensive player of the year, all american honorable mention?? I believe they pick guys to fill those roles who have talent, like chuck hayes. All we were saying is that he has heart to go along with his wonderful talents.

once again you have posted completely arrogant remarks, when you still do not know what you are talking about. Its getting pathetic and I believe that you are actually making a "douchebag" as you would say out of yourself. I would call it a fool out of yourself because I can actually talk with respect to others unlike YOU.

post back once you FINALLY know what you are talking about. thanks!

 

If you guys would like some honest pro-scout analysis on Chuck Hayes, when I get off of work today, I will personally make a couple calls to some "people" I know. (I know you guys love that) and I'll get a "real" evaluation on Hayes. As I've stated in the past I've worked closely with some scouts and am always in contact with agents and player personel who watch these guys closely, and in Chuck's case, 4 years. give me by tonight or tomorrow morning and you will have a PROFESSIONAL take on his chances at the next level.

 

Thank you, See I wasn't saying that I know hes going, I just didnt like how Jsmoove would discredit his game, and I wasn't saying that all these scouts say hes going to the NBA I was just stating that most scouts actually watch a player play before they comment on him. but thank you for your help

 

Well after a long lengthy conversation with a couple guys, i got some pretty good feedback on Chuck Hayes. A lot of what I am hearing, and word around scouts is that CHuck Hayes not only has earned a lot of respect from around the league, but a firm hold on a spot somewhere in round 2. Several people have been enamored with his heart, hustle, determination and knowledge of the game. He's a great locker room guy and is the type of guy who many feel will be a great asset to the community aswell as a great embassador to the game world wide. Look for Hayes to be selected come June.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Well after a long lengthy conversation with a couple guys, i got some pretty good feedback on Chuck Hayes. A lot of what I am hearing, and word around scouts is that CHuck Hayes not only has earned a lot of respect from around the league, but a firm hold on a spot somewhere in round 2. Several people have been enamored with his heart, hustle, determination and knowledge of the game. He's a great locker room guy and is the type of guy who many feel will be a great asset to the community aswell as a great embassador to the game world wide. Look for Hayes to be selected come June.</div>

Thanks for the info, KicksDaddy!

I really want to see this guy get drafted and at least make an impact off the bench for whatever team drafts him!

 

That's awesome...did anyone happen to catch him on the dunk contest last night on espn, I was so surprised to see him on it! like he said before the competition, hes just not a dunker! but it was good to see him having fun with out being in the final four.

 

That's why, although not "neccessarily" the best of the best, i enjoy these competitions before the Final Four, because it's always just seniors, and I like getting the small schools involved aswell. Although I was somewhat disappointed in Jameel Pugh's performance. I've seen him live and played him in person and have seen him do SO much better in just a game situation.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKOwnstheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">Kentucky forward Chuck Hayes will be entering the NBA Draft next season, so I was wondering if you all think he has a chance to even get drafted...He's a 6'6 forward averaging 10 points/8 boards a game that can play power forward and center, but he's much too small to play that in the NBA. So I think that him being 6'6 and not having a true position may hurt his chances bad.

I don't see him getting drafted, that's unless he makes the move to small forward...And I don't see that happening, because his ball handling skills are very poor....</div>

All of that is true but all of it can also be improved. If he improves his shooting or handles he could easily go in the first round.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Well after a long lengthy conversation with a couple guys, i got some pretty good feedback on Chuck Hayes. A lot of what I am hearing, and word around scouts is that CHuck Hayes not only has earned a lot of respect from around the league, but a firm hold on a spot somewhere in round 2. Several people have been enamored with his heart, hustle, determination and knowledge of the game. He's a great locker room guy and is the type of guy who many feel will be a great asset to the community aswell as a great embassador to the game world wide. Look for Hayes to be selected come June.</div>
That sounds pretty good. I was rooting for Hayes and Kentucky during the tournament. But in all honesty, I don't see him making a NBA roster.

IMO, if he wants a big time pro sports career in the U.S., he had better hook up with Antonio Gates of the San Diego Chargers and find out how he was able to make the switch from college basketball to pro football.

His best shot at making it in basketball would be Europe IMO, but from what I have seen from him on television, I doubt that he would want to leave his little brother to play in Europe.