Whats really impressive is how far away from the basket he was when he caught the ball. That was a nice nimble move for a 7fter...
That was a great move! First time seeing him in action I have just heard things about him. Btw, would you guys mind if I used this video in the Knicks forum?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">That was a great move! First time seeing him in action I have just heard things about him. Btw, would you guys mind if I used this video in the Knicks forum?</div> I love all the guys on here, except AllNet. Go ahead brotha.
Thanks, I appreciate that! You guys might want to take a look at some prospects in the Good News... thread in the Knicks forum. I think you might be able to find a couple of people that you like.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Jesus We need to get him somehow and get rid of someone, preferably Foyle</div> Oh my gawd, you are unbelievable, Jrich23. You haven't even seen his whole game and you're like, "Oh man this guy's got game!". And it's not like Foyle will be easy to move. Mullin probably wouldn't even waste his time to call people up about Foyle. Mullin: "Hey Alan, how about we trade Adonal Foyle, Dunleavy and a first rounder for Jamal Magloire?" Bristow: "Hellllll nawwwwwz"
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh my gawd, you are unbelievable, Jrich23. You haven't even seen his whole game and you're like, "Oh man this guy's got game!". </div> lmao
I just saw the clip. Man... okay, I know the key is trapezoidal in Euro ball to allow a more open lane that is free of big men, but with all due respect, a real nba style of defense with rectangular key would never allow him to do that... unless it was AGAINST the Warriors. He'd be stripped or blocked before he could throw it down. Plus the ref would call him for travelling (it looked like 4 steps he took). Guy looks like he could be a Steven Hunter or Jerome Moiso.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I just saw the clip. Man... okay, I know the key is trapezoidal in Euro ball to allow a more open lane that is free of big men, but with all due respect, a real nba style of defense with rectangular key would never allow him to do that... unless it was AGAINST the Warriors. He'd be stripped or blocked before he could throw it down. Plus the ref would call him for travelling (it looked like 4 steps he took). Guy looks like he could be a Steven Hunter or Jerome Moiso.</div> I'd consider giving this kid a look even though Biedrins supposedly dominated him last year. Athleticism at the 4/5 is something we sorely need. The thing is that if we draft Taft, I really think that's the beginning of the end for Murphy. It's kind of a catch 22. We pick a center and that'll take time from Beans, we take a 4 with a lot of potential (Taft)and before you know it we'll be listening to offers for Murph.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd consider giving this kid a look even though Biedrins supposedly dominated him last year. Athleticism at the 4/5 is something we sorely need. The thing is that if we draft Taft, I really think that's the beginning of the end for Murphy. It's kind of a catch 22. We pick a center and that'll take time from Beans, we take a 4 with a lot of potential (Taft)and before you know it we'll be listening to offers for Murph.</div> I think we need a big body that can rebound, block and score inside. Some of these athletic big men, they just don't have the feel and touch to play with their back to the basket. It's either because they aren't strong enough, they don't have the coordination, or they just don't want to work at it because it's tiring stuff. I mean how many 6'10+ players know any drop step moves, spin moves, or up and unders? I mean Foyle can barely dunk it and lay up and he used to be quite an athlete at one time whereas some of these older centers that aren't as agile, still have their strength and ability to play in the post a little (like Cliff Robinson). There definitely has to be that balance of finesse, power and good coordination. Now Biedrins could be an excellent center or power forward defensively, but may never be great offensively (he might). We need some kind of plan that will land us a guy that has the footwork and all the tools to get lots of touch fouls and blocking fouls because of the way they move in the paint and use their body to create separation. This year we've relied on Jrich's post game to create separation and cause collapses on defense and we've used Speedy + Baron's dribble penetration to do the same, but we need it from the 4 and 5 spots. Now if we can get a passing, scoring, big to command double teams because he simply too big for the defender to handle alone, the offense would just get so much more consistent than having to rely on jumper, jumper, jumper all the time.
btw the team he plays against in this clip is Moscow CSKA, the best team in Europe. I'm sure they can even beat some NBA teams. It's clear that they don't play 100% defense in this clip, i quess game was already desided (to CSKA advantage, unbeaten in Europe this year).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Endym:</div><div class="quote_post">btw the team he plays against in this clip is Moscow CSKA, the best team in Europe. I'm sure they can even beat some NBA teams. It's clear that they don't play 100% defense in this clip, i quess game was already desided (to CSKA advantage, unbeaten in Europe this year).</div> Wow, thanks for the info. I didn't know it was CSKA, Andrei Kirilenko's old team. I didn't know they were undefeated. In that case, yeah I'd like to know Johan Petro's boxscore and what he was doing when CSKA's starters were on the floor. Anybody can look good when the other team's scrubs are in the game and it's already over. I just saw the red lights go on the backboard in the movie clip and figured it was a game winning dunk because the other team's coach looked pretty beside himself. What gets me about this Petro guy is I can't find any reliable scouting sources on this guy. Take this one site for instance. It writes a complete antithesis of what it originally wrote in the last paragraph to the first two paragraphs. http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/johanpetro.asp <font size="4"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"></font></font></font></font></font> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font size="4"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"> <font size="2">Weaknesses: </font></font></font><font size="2"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Has still slow foot work, not helped with lazy attitudes at times. </font></font></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2">Shot is not developed and doesn?t even look for the ball yet. Doesn?t move well on offense and could get a lot more done especially offensive rebounding. Has to play harder. Defense is limited right now in having a great body to deny shots or change their way. Could be but is not a shot blocker, and doesn?t move feet quick enough to guard smaller post players. Reaction is still slow. </font></font></font></font></font> </div> <font size="4"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2"><font size="1"></font></font></font></font> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font size="4"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2"><font size="1"> <font size="2">Notes: Has a very bright future. Excels with the ball close to the basket. Excellent shotblocker. ...has a greater future because of his strong motivation level. </font></font></font></font></font><font size="2"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font></font></font></font></div> Man, I just don't trust it. And then there's hoopshype's small scouting report that says he's "Rasheed Wallace". <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2"> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Intense competitor with fantastic leaping ability, Petro is a gifted athletic specimen who knows how to use his skills well. He can jump out of the gym, and uses that ability to defend the interior quite well. A good passing giant, he needs to develop his signature shot and continue to develop as a low-post player.</div> And then here's another: </font></font> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Positives: The top prospect in France. Great athleticism, he runs the floor very well for his size. A monster shotblocker who may one day lead the NBA in blocked shots. He has the wingspan, size, and athleticism to become a intimidator on defense. Has a nice baby hook shot. Good dunker who finishes well at the basket. Negatives: Very very raw offensive player. He has no range on his jumpshot and can't score outside of 10 feet. Has not played much for Pau Orthez. Got dominated by Andris Biedrins in a recent matchup. Needs to become more aggressive with the ball, he is sometimes too passive on offense. Not one aspect of his game is polished. Footwork is awkward. Has no offensive moves other then a baby hook shot. http://www.angeltowns.com/members/nbadraft/johanpetro.htm </div> The only thing that seems to be consistent about this guy is he has a baby hookshot like Foyle. Seems to be really raw, not really fluid, and has lack of hustle or heart when he plays. Now that just totally goes against him being compared to an all around player like Rasheed Wallace and a guy with hustle and heart like Tyson Chandler. The only thing Petro seems to have in common with those two guys is he's 6'11 to 7 foot tall and he's African in descent and he's got a slight build for his size. So the big question remains: Which draft site has the most updated scouting reports on these players? I mean if he's developed a passing game great for him. If he's gotten more motivated and has a better shotblocking game, that's awesome. But it seems unclear what kind of player he is because the stuff that is consistent about him is about his motivation level and how raw he is. <font size="4"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2"><font size="4"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">What gets me about this Petro guy is I can't find any reliable scouting sources on this guy. Take this one site for instance. It writes a complete antithesis of what it originally wrote in the last paragraph to the first two paragraphs. </div> I would trust Draftcity. His profile - http://www.draftcity.com/viewprofile.php?p=45# - although it's quite old (last September) and i don't know how credible the writer is. I recomend reading - http://www.draftcity.com/viewarticle.php?a=61 - good article about Martynas Andriuskevicius and Johan Petro after last summer European U18 tournament. It is written by Luis Fernandes who knows what he is writing and i trust his opinions. If interested and you have good connection speed, there are 2 full game videos (stream) of his games in U18 championship in FIBA site. <a href="http://www.fibaeurope.com/Default.asp?.." target="_blank">http://www.fibaeurope.com/Default.asp?...</a> France vs. Italy and France vs. Turkey
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Endym:</div><div class="quote_post">I would trust Draftcity. His profile - http://www.draftcity.com/viewprofile.php?p=45# - although it's quite old (last September) and i don't know how credible the writer is. I recomend reading - http://www.draftcity.com/viewarticle.php?a=61 - good article about Martynas Andriuskevicius and Johan Petro after last summer European U18 tournament. It is written by Luis Fernandes who knows what he is writing and i trust his opinions. If interested and you have good connection speed, there are 2 full game videos (stream) of his games in U18 championship in FIBA site. <a href="http://www.fibaeurope.com/Default.asp?.." target="_blank">http://www.fibaeurope.com/Default.asp?...</a> France vs. Italy and France vs. Turkey</div> I've checked that site out before. Thanks for the input.
As of last week Petro was a part-timer with something like 5ppg 5 rpg,which hardly makes me want to dump any established veterans. I think Petro someday can be a decent NBA player but get real-he's a minor league backup who'd need polish to start on a good college team....forget him, draft Diogu.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">As of last week Petro was a part-timer with something like 5ppg 5 rpg,which hardly makes me want to dump any established veterans. I think Petro someday can be a decent NBA player but get real-he's a minor league backup who'd need polish to start on a good college team....forget him, draft Diogu.</div> Digou is looking sweet right now. I hope we don't draft Taft unless we plan to trade him. I've still got my eye on Chris Mihm if the Lakes want to give him up. If Biedrins plays center and Mihm plays power forward, we'd have an excellent inside that is athletic and can deny anybody inside as well as some inside scoring. I'm willing to bet Murphy suddenly falls out of favor once we get more rebounding and inside presence. I mean it can be argued that he holds Dunleavy back because Troy isn't passing the ball or spreading the floor by going inside more often or setting the proper screens for Dunleavy to thrive.
From the Warriors perspective,my draft wish list 1 Andrew Bogut 2 Ike Diogu 3 Sheldon williams 4 Hakim Warrick I see little point in risking a high pick on a guy who might need 3 years development before being useful,or a guy who has yet to show the dedication and effort to elevate his game to an NBA level. These 4 already proved they have all around skills and the dedication to continue to improve
I agree Mihm is a guy worth a look. He never has had a role where he could establish something. Biedrens has quicker feet,less weight so Mihm would be C,Andy PF,if they played togather. Until we see several W's in the All-Star game,depth will be important. The Warriors have struggled over the decades to have effective big men. As of now Murphy averages more points and boards than Andris has for the season. Not everyone can step in and have a 20 rbd game,so until someone else proves he can,Murphy is a keeper. Were the Warriors to draft Diogu,he might win the SF job,and Dunleavy then could be a 6th man or even traded
