Why is it in most cases they get little minutes and don't even dominate in their leagues? I have no idea why they do that? Does anyone else know?
pretty obvious-they are,as-is,not very good. somebody thinks some of these tall teens can go from skills of an average high school player to those of an NBA starter in the 3-4 years a rookie contract lasts. A few might come close to such expectations
The "correct" reason most of the European players do not "dominate" in their own league is several reasons. In Europe, most of the kids that will be drafted in th US are 18-19 years old. In Europe, they ride pine from ages 15-20 almost exclusivly, and the rosters players are primarily made up of much older veterans and US players. You do not get minutes no matter how good you are until you put in the years. Even then, the European game is devised on a ball rotation and minute system where your top player may play 5 more minutes per game than your 8th man. Nothing like the NBA game. Your Euro League MVP may avaerage 20pts 5 boards and 4 assists. I know several players from the US college ranks who play ball in Europe, and even being college stars averaging 20 points or 12 boards and leading the NCAA in assists, the system doesnt allow for individual superstars. So you will hardly ever see a Euro player coming to the US getting more than 10 minutes and maybe 5 points a game on his club team.
but <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">The "correct" reason most of the European players do not "dominate" in their own league is several reasons. In Europe, most of the kids that will be drafted in th US are 18-19 years old. In Europe, they ride pine from ages 15-20 almost exclusivly, and the rosters players are primarily made up of much older veterans and US players. You do not get minutes no matter how good you are until you put in the years. Even then, the European game is devised on a ball rotation and minute system where your top player may play 5 more minutes per game than your 8th man. Nothing like the NBA game. Your Euro League MVP may avaerage 20pts 5 boards and 4 assists. I know several players from the US college ranks who play ball in Europe, and even being college stars averaging 20 points or 12 boards and leading the NCAA in assists, the system doesnt allow for individual superstars. So you will hardly ever see a Euro player coming to the US getting more than 10 minutes and maybe 5 points a game on his club team.</div> this is exactly why it is stupid to use a high draft pick on a euro player. You cant evaluate how good they will be in america. Sure there are guys like Dirk that made taking them look great but how many either fizzled or never even played in the US (fredric Weis)
Currently the numbers for Darko Millicic and DeSagana Diop are about even...and pretty bleak. Both were picked very high despite not being especially good. The theory seems to be an athletic 6-11 or 7-0 guy,if young can be molded into a star C. Nobody applies this concept to small F,trying to take a 6-7 athletic guy and teaching him to play from a very raw level
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">You do not get minutes no matter how good you are until you put in the years. </div> You had some points with other sentences, but this one killed me. Of course its not true. If you are good at 20 in Europe, you gonna play and get normal minutes in your team. If you are young, perspective, but not very helping right now, a prospect in other words then its every team's situation to decide. Usually teams want a result "here and now", because we have no closed leagues like NBA and being higher in ranking is very important. Such thing as tanking the season would destroy the team (sponsors, fans would leave - less money, you are dead). If young players is good enough to play and to help his team theres no way that hes gonna sit just because team has veteran players. Coach might like veteran because of his experience, but if coach trusts young guy he will surely use him. Earlier developing young players was also a normal thing, but now when NBA steals most of good kids, teams have it in mind. Why to give him playing time and get in danger that team's results will suffer if hes gonna leave in next season? Of course young player development still exits, but its clearely not priority thing as in some NBA clubs. P.S. What a board is this? No offense, but nutshell (considering the world outside of NBA) in which you are here is kinda shocking comparing to other boards...
^^^^^^^all Of My Comments Come From Players I Know Who Play In Europe And Scouts And Gm's Who Speak With Club Coaches And Owners Regarding A Players Status And Situation. Many Times Teams In Europe Are Known To Sit Players Specificly If An Nba Scout Is Coming To See Them Due To Wanting To Keep Their Player Home. Hence Why Nba Buyouts With Club Teams Are So Difficult. If They Are Going To Lose A Player Of "potential" Star Status, They Want Obscene Compensation. My Posts Are Not Opinion Based But Purely Factual. So The "put Their Years In" Somment Was Based On What's Been Told To Myself By Many Different Sources.
Bets pick of international players have come late in the draft the Spurs Manu Ginobli being the brightest star.
^Yeah, that's true. That's what I love the most about the draft...how unpredictable it is. Who knew with the last pick in the draft you picked up an all-star.
I think that Bogut will be a player and a very solid center in years to come in the NBA whoever gets him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">From Australia or not, Andrew Bogut is considered a US player, not an international.</div> Another ignorant comment. You could say hes half croation, because his mother is from there, but US player??? He has lived all his life in Australia and just because you forgot to wear your glasses during Olympics when Bogut was playing for Australian NT doesnt make him american.
^^^^^^^if you understood anything i was saying by that, i'm not calling him an "american" I'm calling him an American based played. He is a COLLEGE PLAYER IN THE UNITED STATES. He is not an "international" player from Europe or Asia. I'm talking about his exposure and his "PLAYING EXPERIENCE". Bogut has also been playin ball in tournament in the United States, sometimes for months at a time since his youth. If you knew ANYTHING about his background as a player, you would have UNDERSTOOD what I was saying, instead of attempting to come at me with a word you obviously dont know the meaning of. Your use of the word ignorant, first of, is incorrectly used. I want you to look the word up in the dictionary and have a 10 page report on my desk in the morning!
