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  1. og15

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">all in all, someone needs to slap that kufi off "wadedynasty" head real quick. Rockin the "jbb laker fans" in his sig yet he come to the laker board when LA is $h!ttin the bed.</div>
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    I'm a little confused at the championship references, I don't think anyone has discounted the Lakers being a succesful franchise, I can't even remeber when they didn't make the playoffs last, 70 something?


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Keep in mind D-Wade has other people playing defense on his team. Kobe is the only real defensive threat for the Lakers. By the end, he is exhausted. Miami also has a deep bench, which allows others to be well rested. I'm not making excuses for Kobe...but the facts are th facts. If you put The Flash in the same position, he'd be dragging at the end of games too!</div>
    Kobe didn't actually guard Wade for that much of the game, Butler was on him a lot, and I wouldn't really say E.Jones is a hard matchup at this point in his career.

    I think the lottery can help the Lakers, but it will be a lower end lottery pick though, probably like the last or 2nd last pick in the lottery, the prize would be for the Lakers to win the lottery with their 5 balls or whatever they have, how lucky would that be.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">[​IMG]

    I'm a little confused at the championship references, I don't think anyone has discounted the Lakers being a succesful franchise, I can't even remeber when they didn't make the playoffs last, 70 something?



    Kobe didn't actually guard Wade for that much of the game, Butler was on him a lot, and I wouldn't really say E.Jones is a hard matchup at this point in his career.

    I think the lottery can help the Lakers, but it will be a lower end lottery pick though, probably like the last or 2nd last pick in the lottery, the prize would be for the Lakers to win the lottery with their 5 balls or whatever they have, how lucky would that be.</div> The Lakers will have 4 picks in this year's lottery if they miss the playoffs. Two in the first round, and two in the second round. They could package picks and players to move up, or they can just draft for their needs. Fortunately for them, if the projected underclassmen declare, there will be plenty of point guards and power forwards to choose from.
     
  3. og15

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    Wait, doesn't Miami have your pick? So you have Miami and Boston's pick's.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Wait, doesn't Miami have your pick? So you have Miami and Boston's pick's.</div>The Lakers have their pick (the pick they traded to the Celtics is lottery protected) and the Lakers have Miami's pick from the Shaq trade. The Lakers also have the Hawks 2nd round pick and their own 2nd round pick.
     
  5. WadeDynasty

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMKfromTPL:</div><div class="quote_post">all in all, someone needs to slap that kufi off "wadedynasty" head real quick. Rockin the "jbb laker fans" in his sig yet he come to the laker board when LA is $h!ttin the bed.

    I LOVE LA, I LOVE KOBE n I LOVE SHAQ, I LOVE THE NBA and ima rock my teams colors no matter if they are 15 games under 500, i supported them through 3 championships! how many banners do the heat fans have to rep ?? *Crickets chirp*...*tumbleweeds roll by* ..

    No disrespect, but im sick of people making little stops by the Laker board whenever we play bad, like the LA fans dont know that we playing bad...WE KNOW. Just like we know that there is 14 BANNERS..(Count em) hanging in the staples center.

    ***Mods, sorry...just emotional time for me and my LA boys, edit and delete all you want, no disrespect meant, just sick of people kicking us while we down.*

    Kobe is 26....he has plenty of time, even the GOAT didnt win a ring until he was 29....

    DMK</div>
    Haha
    Ok Live in the past all you want
     
  6. Karma

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
    ll in all, someone needs to slap that kufi off "wadedynasty" head real quick. Rockin the "jbb laker fans" in his sig yet he come to the laker board when LA is $h!ttin the bed.

    I LOVE LA, I LOVE KOBE n I LOVE SHAQ, I LOVE THE NBA and ima rock my teams colors no matter if they are 15 games under 500, i supported them through 3 championships! how many banners do the heat fans have to rep ?? *Crickets chirp*...*tumbleweeds roll by* ..

    No disrespect, but im sick of people making little stops by the Laker board whenever we play bad, like the LA fans dont know that we playing bad...WE KNOW. Just like we know that there is 14 BANNERS..(Count em) hanging in the staples center.

    ***Mods, sorry...just emotional time for me and my LA boys, edit and delete all you want, no disrespect meant, just sick of people kicking us while we down.*

    Kobe is 26....he has plenty of time, even the GOAT didnt win a ring until he was 29....

    DMK
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    You are the epitome of a stuck up Laker fan. You need a clarity of reality. Fact: Kobe cannot do it alone.
    I will admit that I was one of those fans who thought the Lakers would atleast grab the 6th seed in the playoffs and be knocked i nthe 2nd round but they did not live up to my heavy expectations. Clearly, they were not ready for that task with such an inexperienced team and a leader who's technically in his first year of leading and just came off fighting for his life and his basketball life. So, I wouldn't call this season a dissappointment, I'd call it a learning stage.

    If Kobe is really the next great thing who can do it on his own, he'll survive this ordeal and come back stronger next season. But the management also needs to play thier part and surround him with the right kind of players rather then just force superstars around him. I think we have enough "3 point specialists" already, what we need is a big man (oh, the irony...weren't we praying to get rid of the most dominant big man in history earlier this summer?) and a pass first, up tempo point guard rather then one who chucks a hell lot of threes and his more offenseive minded.

    Foremost, Kobe needs to realize what he did wrong this season and learn from them. I think he did his part but he needs to trust his teammates some more. At the beginning of this season I was really excited to see that the Lakers as a team were exciting, young, energetic and looked as if though they were having fun. Somewhere along the line, that energy, youthfulness and fun disappeared and we're left with a team that hangs thier head down in shame. I never thought a team led by such a determined individual such as Kobe would end up this way. I won't say Shaq was right because you know, its the "cool" thing to be on Shaq's jock right now, but I'll say what I've told my brother and any other Kobe dispiser and antagonist. It's not where you start from, it's where you end up. And Kobe's got a long way to go. Let's just hope he does not give it up like he did this season.
     
  7. Cody 7k

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    ^ I agree, it seems like Kobe is giving up.

    Since when is Kobe a quitter? Gr, this bugs me. Kobe has been playing lazily lately, he doesn't even care... then again, why should he? He has all the money he could ever want, a beautiful home, wife and daughter and a wonderful life. Why does it matter if the Lakers win or lose? All that matters is that I have a wonderful life.

    Kobe you are payed millions. You are payed more than anyone on the Lakers squad for a reason... now do your job, dammit.
     
  8. Mamba

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cody 7k:</div><div class="quote_post">^ I agree, it seems like Kobe is giving up.

    Since when is Kobe a quitter? Gr, this bugs me. Kobe has been playing lazily lately, he doesn't even care... then again, why should he? He has all the money he could ever want, a beautiful home, wife and daughter and a wonderful life. Why does it matter if the Lakers win or lose? All that matters is that I have a wonderful life.

    Kobe you are payed millions. You are payed more than anyone on the Lakers squad for a reason... now do your job, dammit.</div>


    That is a joke right? Kobe has been fighting all year, the rest of the team gave up at the all star break. The man is human, he isn't giving up, he is fatigued. Every player gets fatigued, those reasons you listed were pointless.
     
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    i do agree with Kobe 8 Ball.. Kobe is fatigued.. He is carrying the whole team alone.. Tell me what the other players did?? Odom isn't that consistent.. Butler is not that experienced.. Divac is injured.. and what more Chris Mihm.. oh god i hate that guy..Kobe is juz a human.... He needs time to adjust to this new team.. he has to create chemistry in this team.. Frankly speaking.. i dun think the Lakers would make into playoff.. which i am hoping too.. Please dun get me wrong.. is not because i detest lakers.. is rather that i think is better for them to revamp the team during the offseason..and try to work up their team work...Because we all know the post season is not easy to compete... Is all about team work and ball possession....Let's juz hope that the lakers will improve in the next season...
     
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    the whole laker team suck except for Kobe Bryant.
     
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    I ask again...
    HOw is Kobe tired?? He didn't play for 13-14 games in a row???
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I ask again...
    HOw is Kobe tired?? He didn't play for 13-14 games in a row???</div>

    And if you read the thread, you would have answers. [​IMG]

    He is the only Laker that shows up to play day in and day out. He is the only Laker that has poured 110% into every game this year. You can't say the same for ANYBODY ELSE ON THE ROSTER. This is one of the most inconsistent lineups I have ever seen.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">And if you read the thread, you would have answers. [​IMG]

    He is the only Laker that shows up to play day in and day out. He is the only Laker that has poured 110% into every game this year. You can't say the same for ANYBODY ELSE ON THE ROSTER. This is one of the most inconsistent lineups I have ever seen.</div>
    Funny how you can say that
    Does Atkins walk up and down the court? Does Odom just stretch out his hands to get rebounds? Does Caron sit on his chair to attempt to dunk? Is Kobe the ONLY one in the NBA who gives 110%? You think other stars in other teams just give 90% therefore they are NOT TIRED after playing 60+ games so far? You play any sport, you'll be tired after a game. To make an excuse like that is absurd. EVERYBODY is tired.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Funny how you can say that
    Does Atkins walk up and down the court? Does Odom just stretch out his hands to get rebounds? Does Caron sit on his chair to attempt to dunk? Is Kobe the ONLY one in the NBA who gives 110%? You think other stars in other teams just give 90% therefore they are NOT TIRED after playing 60+ games so far? You play any sport, you'll be tired after a game. To make an excuse like that is absurd. EVERYBODY is tired.</div>

    Yes, but everybody else has some help. Look at the past when Pierce, McGrady, and AI didn't have help...their teams folded also. Perfect example, last year with the Magic...and all of those teams were in the East.

    Does Atkins walk up and down the court? With the way he plays Defense, I think he isn't even on the court.

    Does Odom just stretch his hands out to get boards? Thats about all he does.

    Caron attempting to dunk? Do you watch Laker games, he is so inconsistent. He shouldn't even be starting.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Funny how you can say that
    Does Atkins walk up and down the court? Does Odom just stretch out his hands to get rebounds? Does Caron sit on his chair to attempt to dunk? Is Kobe the ONLY one in the NBA who gives 110%? You think other stars in other teams just give 90% therefore they are NOT TIRED after playing 60+ games so far? You play any sport, you'll be tired after a game. To make an excuse like that is absurd. EVERYBODY is tired.</div>


    Kobe is second in minutes played in the league, first 1/2 the season he was playing injured. He had a sprained ankle and came back early.

    He handles the ball 75% of the time for the lakers, he shoots 20 shots a game for the lakers. he gets to the line 13 times a gaqme for the lakers which means getting fouled 13 times a game. that wears a player down.

    under normal circumstances, no kobe shouldnt be tired, but the fact he has had so many things to do with on court like handling the ball, playing defense, attacking the basket, drawing fouls. carrying a team.

    the point is, kobe has to do everything for this team because nobody else on the team can. when kobe sits, where screwed, which means he is on the floor.

    name one person who is playing thru that kind of crap man, dont dawg kobe, he gives 110% out there and if you cant even respect that, get out.
     
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    ^ sho Nuff!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Billa_Bong:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is second in minutes played in the league, first 1/2 the season he was playing injured. He had a sprained ankle and came back early.

    He handles the ball 75% of the time for the lakers, he shoots 20 shots a game for the lakers. he gets to the line 13 times a gaqme for the lakers which means getting fouled 13 times a game. that wears a player down.

    under normal circumstances, no kobe shouldnt be tired, but the fact he has had so many things to do with on court like handling the ball, playing defense, attacking the basket, drawing fouls. carrying a team.

    the point is, kobe has to do everything for this team because nobody else on the team can. when kobe sits, where screwed, which means he is on the floor.

    name one person who is playing thru that kind of crap man, dont dawg kobe, he gives 110% out there and if you cant even respect that, get out.</div>
    First I don't see Kobe here
    http://www.nba.com/statistics/2004/default...topic=0&stat=24 He's second in minutes per game.
    I'm not blaming Kobe man. Read my post. I'm just saying that Kobe can't do it all by himself. That's all. DO I think Kobe sucks? NO! He's the best thing since MJ and the closest to MJ right now. You think I disrespect Kobe? NO! I think if it weren't Kobe, the Lakers would have been in the same place as the Hawks or something. Who other than Kobe in this league can score like he does? I know he's busting his butt to win more games. I'm only saying that even Kobe who - most of his fans think is invincible - needs help.
     
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    Oh, well from your posts, I think a lot of people aren't getting that...but now that you explain it, we all agree with you. There is no doubt he need consistent help.
     
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    I don't think Kobe is physically tired, but he might be mentally fatigued. He has put tremendous pressure on himself, and there is no other superstar to defer the criticism and the constant media hounding Kobe now faces. Before he had Shaq and Phil Jackson to take a lot of the media off of him. Not only that, but Kobe just finished up his trial case. I don't care what he says, it definitely had an effect on his performance. Sure he played great everytime he flew back from court. He had some of his best games last year after his court hearings. But everynight he has to carry that guilt when he goes home to his wife. On top of that he has to deal with losing and not having consistent support, it's had to have taken it's toll on him.

    The last few games, the Lakers seem like they are just going through the motions and can't wait for the game and season to end.
     
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    That is another big one, I think he was riding an adrenaline rush during his trial case, knowing it could very well possibly be his last time ever playing ball, and he just gave it everything, and now that its over..everything is catching up and sinking in.

    I agree, it is more of a mental fatigue, than a phsyical fatigue.
     

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