<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jamaal Magloire could have been a Raptor today. According to league sources, the New Orleans Hornets wanted to deal Magloire to the Raptors for Vince Carter earlier this season but pulled back on the deal when Toronto general manager Rob Babcock tried to enlarge the trade to satisfy financial concerns .......... The financial concerns that scuttled any possible deal had to do with Magloire's so-called "base-year" salary situation. Under the NBA's arcane salary cap rules, only half of Magloire's $8.53 million (all figures U.S.) would have counted in any trade, but a league source said the Hornets were willing to throw in a variety of expiring contracts to match Carter's salary of slightly more than $12 million. But Babcock could not be convinced and wanted other New Orleans players included in the deal, according to a highly placed Hornet source.</div> and.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Two other league sources say Babcock turned down a draft-night trade last June that would have given the Raptors point guard Antonio Daniels and the No.12 selection from Seattle for the No.8 pick Babcock used to acquire Araujo.</div> http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...alogin=yes//url It would have been nice to see Magloire on the Raps, but I'm still not sure if he's better than the two draft picks we got from the NJ trade. And I'm guessing his injury made Babcock a little hesistant to pull the trigger also. The draft-night trade however, seems like Babcock messed up on that one. We could've had Antonio Daniels and still draft Araujo w/ the 12th pick.
^You beat me by one minute on this article. I don't know how Toronto would have reacted by trading Carter for an injured player in Magloire. Even if he is Canadian it wouldn't make it a great deal, it would have been mainly just for marketing purposes. And how would it look like to his draft pick by trading someone that plays the same position as he does? That would kill Hoffa's confidence (or lack thereof). As for the Daniels trade that could have been something to really consider. But it remained to be seen if Daniels could run a team full time. Remember...he just broke out this season in Seattle in a 6th man role much like Rafer did for Miami the season before. No one knew that he would be this good until this year. All in all hindsight is very 20-20. These reporters are just acting like they can be better GM's by reporting about these rumours 6 months later.
I was just about to write about this too. LOL. Anyways, I think it would have been cool to have him on our team. It's not like he plays badly anyways.
well thats a kick in the teeth...i think i officially HATE babcock now. he had a chance to get magloire and passed it up?!?! thats just ridiculous imo. he's gonna have to redeam himself in the off-season
^Well he has can start with the 4 draft picks we have this year. 2 in the first round and 2 in the second round (just found out that we have Miami's pick from the Pape Sow trade).
It's bad, but not as bad as it might seem, but I didn't think Babcock had done a good job anyways, so it's not like this changed my views on him.
yeah i was reading this article at school while studying for a stats exam. babcock reminds me of an anxious gambler, the dude with a lot of money but he's too excited by a bad move or a good move to play well. i think grunwald for all his deficits was a much better gm. think about it... bosh (his), marshall (his), rose (in spite of bad contract, his), mo pete (his), matt bonner (his) vs. hoffa, eric williams, aaron williams, rafer and coach mitchell. honestly, just based on potential, pape sow was probably his best move.
i wouldn't of done the magloire deal either.....but the daniels and 12 th pick for our 8th was one that i owuld of done in a heartbeat....that could of solved our pg situation and we still would of had hoffa
I don't think it was 8th for 12th and Daniels... i think it was Vince for Daniels/12th... prove me if i'm wrong..
I saw Babcock being asked about the trade rumour and he said that there was very little truth to it. He said something like how the salaries made it almost impossible to make the trade without getting some unwanted contracts in return. I was also wondering about that too b/c I couldn't come up w/ any trade scenerio that would've worked. So maybe this Carter/Magloire deal was just another case of a reporter trying to make a story out of nothing.
Babcock dispels rumours: Article <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The report said Babcock could have landed New Orleans Hornets centre and Toronto resident Jamaal Magloire in a deal involving Carter. In addition, a draft night deal would have brought Seattle SuperSonics guard Antonio Daniels to the Raptors and still provided Toronto with the No. 12 pick, likely high enough to get Araujo, whom the Raptors took at No. 8, several picks higher than expected. Babcock routinely declines to comment on trades, but tried to clear the air yesterday. "We could not have done a deal with New Orleans," was his simple explanation regarding Magloire. The more complicated explanation delved into the nuances of the National Basketball Association's collective labour agreement. Magloire's salary is $8.53-million (all figures U.S.). Under the agreement, New Orleans can use only half that to calculate which players and contracts it could take back from the Raptors in a deal. Given that the Raptors were trying to deal Carter, who earns about $13-million, and salaries have to match within 15 per cent in trades, the Raptors and Hornets would have had to agree on a deal that involved a large number of players and potentially a third team to make any trade work. </div> Source <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font face="Times"><font face="Verdana">Toronto Raptors general manager Rob Babcock has been on his heels a lot lately.</font> </font> He's finding it challenging to be continually defending the decisions he's made in his first year on the job, most notably the December trade of Vince Carter to New Jersey. "It just gets a little wearing that you have to keep defending it over and over again," Babcock said yesterday after the Raptors worked out at the Air Canada Centre in preparation for a game against the Celtics tonight in Boston. "The fan doesn't know all the inside things, and I'm not going to say all the inside things because I think it's unprofessional to do that. They just have to trust us in the fact that we did pursue every single thing we possibly could," Babcock said. As the Raptors struggle with a 27-36 record, and extremely dim playoff hopes, Babcock was again playing defence yesterday, as he spoke about his work so far. He said Carter simply "had to go," and also responded to a Star report that the Raptors scuttled a deal with New Orleans that would have sent Carter to the Hornets for Toronto native Jamaal Magloire and others. </div> Source I always say that it's easy to kick a man when he is down and I think that is what the Toronto newspapers are doing right now. They know Babcock has made some shady moves in the past and are now bringing up ghost stories that don't even make sense or add up to discredit him even further. I just want everyone to wait until this summer to see what happens. I believe he can do great things with those picks that we have. We just have to be patient and wait it out. Even Danny Ainge was blasted by everyone and their mother about the moves he made for Boston but in the end they turned out to be genius moves. Look at his team right now and their flexibility. We have to be patient and stop trying to be pseudo GM's. Everyone thinks they can do a better job but in reality, all we do is make up senseless trades on the trade checker to see if they fit salary wise and then say it's a good deal and that Babcock should've done this.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> We have to be patient and stop trying to be pseudo GM's. Everyone thinks they can do a better job but in reality, all we do is make up senseless trades on the trade checker to see if they fit salary wise and then say it's a good deal and that Babcock should've done this.</div> Exactly. I think people are judging Babcock way too soon and aren't really giving him a full chance. Most don't realize that it takes years to turn a team around and all of these views of him making bad decisions are all in hindsight. The Vince Carter trade, for example, was to Babcock's credit; awful. What poeple don't see is what could have happened through that trade. Vince was absolutely terrible (avged 16ppg, career low, and a bad FG%) and in return we were getting Eric Williams, who in turn could have given us 12 points a game, as that was his average with the Nets. Along with that were our draft picks, so really, we weren't losing much. When you look at it, though, we didn't lose much. Sure Vince is high flying in Jersey, but our record without Vince is better than what it was when we had him, the Nets aren't really having that much success either. I just think that fans are too quick to judge on Babcock's decisions. I'm not a huge fan of his right now either, but I'm atleast open to new possibilities and am willing to give him more chances this offseason to make this team better. Plus, these reports are nothing but critical of Babcock and don't do any good now because the situation is over.
^ I agree with both Courtvision and Franchise. I too ain't a supporter of Babcock or anything, but I still think it's too early to judge him as a GM. He's been making some very unpopular moves so far but all can be forgiven in a year or two if it looks like we're well on our way to becoming a contenter.
I can see Antonio Daniels play for Toronto as a 1st sub, he is a great Guard, we need PG so he can play that, and he can play with Rafer as SG... he is 100% for our roster but Bob wanted Center Araujo 2.2 PPG- And didn't want 12th pick and Antonio Daniels 12.2 PPG... How have talent at least. But it's ok- in the result test Bob wins- we are 19-20 since VC trade...
iv been thinkin bout this news lately, and iv decided im going to stop listening to these "league sources". these are the same "sources" that reported a trade of jalen and donyell for allan houston and kurt thomas.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">and.... It would have been nice to see Magloire on the Raps, but I'm still not sure if he's better than the two draft picks we got from the NJ trade. And I'm guessing his injury made Babcock a little hesistant to pull the trigger also. The draft-night trade however, seems like Babcock messed up on that one. We could've had Antonio Daniels and still draft Araujo w/ the 12th pick.</div> Imagine if we had done that daniels and the magloire trade... PG: Rafer / Daniels SG: Mo Pete SF: Jalen PF: Bosh/Yell/Bonner C: Magloire / Arujo
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">iv been thinkin bout this news lately, and iv decided im going to stop listening to these "league sources". these are the same "sources" that reported a trade of jalen and donyell for allan houston and kurt thomas.</div> jea.....that woulda been a great trade ....for my knicks
