Heat: O'neal or Wade? MVP Tough Pick

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  1. Shapecity

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> MIAMI ? With a month left in the regular season, debate over which player deserves to be the NBA's MVP is about to begin.

    Shaquille O'Neal, the 2000 winner, has helped the Heat to the NBA's best record (51-16), leads the NBA in field-goal percentage (.594) and is second in blocks (153) and sixth in rebounds (10.3 a game).
    Other front-runners include Phoenix's Steve Nash, San Antonio's Tim Duncan and Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki. Others who deserve consideration are Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire, Cleveland's LeBron James, Seattle's Ray Allen and Minnesota's Kevin Garnett.

    And there's the Heat's Dwyane Wade, who is eighth in scoring (23.8) and sixth in assists (7.0) entering tonight's home game against the New York Knicks.

    Coach Stan Van Gundy wonders whether the Heat having two qualified MVP candidates will offset each other's chances of capturing the award.
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  2. Timberwolf

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    In the beginning, I picked Nash, but I changed my mind this week. I am going with Shaq. Look what he has done. He is playing at a very high level. He seems motivated and hungry for a ring and when he is in that mode, look out. He has made Wade a better player and he has made Damon Jones, Christian Laettner, Shandon Anderson, and others better which is mark of a great player by making others better. Shaq has been a great leader for the Heat and guys clearly play for him. He has been everything what the Heat expected.

    I am very happy for Shaq and I am glad that he is having fun with the Heat.

    He deserves the MVP. I don't think Wade and Shaq should offset each other.
     
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    I don't think Shaq has in anyway been the factor that has improved the other players on the Heat. I think it is Wade who has done so. This may be considered Wade's break out year, but he's broken out because of his own talent. If Shaq were not in the Heat, Wade's numbers wouldn't be any worse. Without a dominating offensive player like Shaw, I'd say that Wade's offensive thats would be even higher.

    Don't gety me wrong, Shaq has definitely improved the team, but I think it is Wade who has made his players better. That being said, if either Shaq or Wade were not in the heat, they wouldn't be in the playoffs, so both have strong cases for MVP consideration.

    That being said, I think it hinders both heat superstars chances of getting the MVP and I think that the only way they could get it is if they win it together as a co-MVP award because both have done great.

    I think Nash should win the award. While the Suns have firepower, it is really Nash that has lead to their success.
     
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    Givit to Lebron!
     
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    Steve Nash definatly. Dwayne Wade without Shaq= 10 less points per game. Shaq without somebody like D-Wade or Kobe=not on a championship winning team. I don't no why people say Shaq should be MVP. Shaq has yet to prove that he is the man when he alone is on a team as the only star.
     
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    Get out of here with that rubbish. Wade would be putting up the numbers even without Shaq. His numbers were even better when Shaq was out this year.

    Shaq's style of play makes other guys around him better. Doesn't matter who It is, he will make other get good looks.
     
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    I'll give it to Shaq first only because I think he'll get mad and jealous if he doesn't get it lol j/k
     
  8. Shapecity

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    This year there is no clear cut choice. Right now I think there are 7 canidates in the running...Nash, Amare, Wade, Shaq, LeBron, Iverson, & Duncan. In the beginning of the year I thought Duncan was the clear cut MVP, but the Spurs have played well without him, and Ginobli out at the same time. Nash is a great choice, but he doesn't get it done on the defensive end, plus him and Amare could hurt each others chances. LeBron has been great all year, but the Cavs have been slipping so it's hard for me to choose him either. The Heat are the hottest team, but it's hard to honestly say who the MVP on the team is. Both Wade and Shaq together make the Heat a great team. They balance each other out and are equal MVPs in my book. This leaves only Iverson left. I select Iverson as the MVP, he's the leading scorer of the league, plays the most minutes, and is carrying the 76ers into the playoffs. He's the heart and soul of his team and has had to deal with an inconsistent supporting cast all season.
     
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    Anyone who thinks that Wade's numbers would decrease if Shaq wasnt around, just doesnt watch to many Heat games. Wade would be averaging more if Shaq wasnt there. A lot of his points come when Shaq is on the bench, when he is the main focal point of the oppositions defense. Shaq taking home the MVP this season wouldnt bum me a bit, but Ive been calling for Wade's name for MVP for a while now cause he deserves it as much as anyone else.
     
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    Yeah and that impresses me.
    Wade stays calm like he's not even in the game when Shaq is in..Wade just feeds Shaq, gets defensive stops etc, but when shaq's out and the other team's coach is sighing in relief, Wade takes over and hands them more damage.
     
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    my mind

    in my mind wade doesnt deserve the considerations. Shaq deserves consideration but the award has got to go to LBJ.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Steve Nash definatly. Dwayne Wade without Shaq= 10 less points per game. Shaq without somebody like D-Wade or Kobe=not on a championship winning team. I don't no why people say Shaq should be MVP. Shaq has yet to prove that he is the man when he alone is on a team as the only star.</div>

    Why would he want to do that when he could be with another star player and win a championship?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq has yet to prove that he is the man when he alone is on a team as the only star.</div>

    It's hard to win by yourself. You gotta get a second star on your team who can get it done. Guys like KG, McGrady, and others struggled over the years in the playoffs by being the only star. Last year, KG got out of the first round thanks to a darn good supporting cast.

    Kobe Bryant can attest to that too since he is the only guy that is doing everything yet the Lakers are not winning.
     
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    Lol!! Hataz Hataz Hataz....

    What does Dwyane Wade have to do to prove himself?? The boy can win!! who are you gonna give the ball to with 4 seconds left on the clock?? Lebron or Dwyane Wade?? If you give it to Lebron he is likely to give it to Eric Snow.. LOL!! okay I want you all to be honest with yourselves, which of the two makes better shot selections?? Which of the two is more Jordan like?? meaning which of the two is most likely to dunk on your other favorite MVP candidates?? Let's see, I know that Wade has dunked on KG, Tim Duncan, Jermaine O'neal, and various other stars, but those are the ones that stood out to me... Lebron has dunked on.... Damon Jones, and some bench player from Boston.... Dwayne Wade is humble, he is not pressed about individual stats that would make the world view him differently, he is about winning and doing what he can to make those around him better. He knows that Shaq is gonna always be the most dominant player in the league for as long as he stay in the game... but he also knows that he can carry the weight with his other teammates... Everyone forgot about Payton for a while, because Kobe Makes his players look worst than they are... remind you he did have the same supporting cast as Kobe his rookie year, and he made it to the second round of the play offs... The only thing his game is missing is an out side three point shot... as far as athletic ability he one of the best... This year has has been nothing less than amazing.. but the world favors Lebron....
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bendavis:</div><div class="quote_post">What does Dwyane Wade have to do to prove himself?? The boy can win!! who are you gonna give the ball to with 4 seconds left on the clock?? Lebron or Dwyane Wade?? If you give it to Lebron he is likely to give it to Eric Snow.. LOL!! okay I want you all to be honest with yourselves, which of the two makes better shot selections?? Which of the two is more Jordan like?? meaning which of the two is most likely to dunk on your other favorite MVP candidates?? Let's see, I know that Wade has dunked on KG, Tim Duncan, Jermaine O'neal, and various other stars, but those are the ones that stood out to me... Lebron has dunked on.... Damon Jones, and some bench player from Boston.... Dwayne Wade is humble, he is not pressed about individual stats that would make the world view him differently, he is about winning and doing what he can to make those around him better. He knows that Shaq is gonna always be the most dominant player in the league for as long as he stay in the game... but he also knows that he can carry the weight with his other teammates... Everyone forgot about Payton for a while, because Kobe Makes his players look worst than they are... remind you he did have the same supporting cast as Kobe his rookie year, and he made it to the second round of the play offs... The only thing his game is missing is an out side three point shot... as far as athletic ability he one of the best... This year has has been nothing less than amazing.. but the world favors Lebron....</div>

    Nice rant, but you look stupid because this thread is like a year old. Oh yeh, and when was dunking on people a factor that made you MVP? The way you post makes me think you are about ten years old.
     

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