Sacramento vs Golden State Preview Mar 20th 2005

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Mullin is going to eventually have to decide between Murphy and Dunleavy. He's going to choose Dunleavy. If Murphy can develop a low post game, Mullin might change his name and keep Murphy and Dunleavy, but Murphy is making Dunleavy worse and Mullin wants Dunleavy really bad to do well. Look at it. He traded Dampier for Najera and picks because Dampier is good enough that he can slow down Dunleavy. Murphy was injury-plagued, so Mullin thought he could keep him. And if you are GM you really aren't going to get rid of Richardson, so Dampier left. We have this lineup for the beggining of the year:

PG: Fisher/ Speedy/ Flores
SG: Richardson/ Pietrus/ Cheany
SF: Dunleavy/ Pietrus
PF: Murphy/ Cliff/ Biedrins
C: Davis/ Foyle/ Cliff/ Foyle

That gives Dunleavy enough room for Dunl;eavy to do good and he and Richardson do good together. So Mullin will do some pretty crazy things to keep Dunleavy doing good. You might contradict me on this with the Baron trade, but Baron makes himself and players around him better, so Mullin jumped at the chance.

Don't get me wrong, I think trading Murphy is a bad idea, but who knows Mullin might just do this for Dunleavy</div>
We can't always have the perfect lineup. But I'm sure Mullin will jump at the opportunity to get a 16/10 player at the power forward spot that can score down low, also pass and be the playmaker inside and play defense by blocking shots or getting those hands up at least. Murphy, sort of like Foyle, doesn't inspire much intimidation when another player thinks of attacking the rim so that's probably why these bench forwards are getting career highs off us. They go and school Dunleavy or Pietrus or Murphy by outmuscling them or outrunning them and they are just free to posterize Foyle because Foyle is the only guy that attempts to challenge a dunk. Murphy will just stand there and let them fly right by for the layup or dunk so he'll never be near the play to challenge it. Rebounding, jump shooting, but no shotblocks, no inside game yet, no steals, no assists. Kind of one dimensional is right. It's just a double double guy with great hands that can control the glass is really rare in the NBA that makes us think of why we shouldn't trade Murphy. Hey whatever can improve our team with the window of opportunity given to us to make the playoffs and go far in it.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting goldenstatefan:</div><div class="quote_post">
One last comment...while some news outlets will talk about how what the Warriors are doing means little given that it's so late in the year and they are playing with no pressure on them....they need to remember that they're basically playing 3 players right now that weren't really part of their roster early in the season in Davis, Biedrins and Cabarkapa. That's probably 2 starters and the team's sixth man next year...so this isn't necessarily any late-season fluke that will only lead to unwarranted expectations next year. This team constructed as is, can compete with a lot of playoff teams night in and night out.</div> Good comments, goldenstatefan. I think you put into better words in what I tried to say earlier about Pietrus.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">It's $60M, 6 years

http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread...ighlight=murphy
The original thread with rumors regarding how much Mullin originally wanted to sign Murphy and Jrich for.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1914283
one of the actual sources

I like Murphy as well, but if the team isn't tailored to his game, he'd probably be better off with the Jazz or something. Defense on the Warriors is the biggest issue. We need to prevent people from just floating down the lane uncontested. Plus Murphy dominates the ball too much. At least with Zarko and Dun you have guys that won't force it up and are okay catch and shooters. Plus they set up other people, which is nice to have and posess more dimensions to their game. I guess our roster does have a lot of tweeners and utility players because if you think about it, Dun plays more like a guard, Murphy plays more like a wing forward, and Zarko plays like a small forward/guard.</div>

Murphy is a better small forward than power forward.

 

Mullin is going to eventually have to decide between Murphy and Dunleavy. He's going to choose Dunleavy. If Murphy can develop a low post game, Mullin might change his name and keep Murphy and Dunleavy, but Murphy is making Dunleavy worse and Mullin wants Dunleavy really bad to do well. Look at it. He traded Dampier for Najera and picks because Dampier is good enough that he can slow down Dunleavy. Murphy was injury-plagued, so Mullin thought he could keep him. And if you are GM you really aren't going to get rid of Richardson, so Dampier left. We have this lineup for the beggining of the year:

Huh?

So Mullin has to choose between Murphy and Dunleavy...And it's clear that Dunleavy is going to be chosen infront of Murphy.
But what about that fat extention he gave Murphy?
Or wait it has to be Dunleavy because Mullin's main focus this whole time as GM has been to make Dunleavy the main player, that's why he traded Dampier, who was "good" but was able to "slow down Dunleavy".
I don't know too much about that theory...

Don't get me wrong, I think trading Murphy is a bad idea, but who knows Mullin might just do this for Dunleavy

From what you are telling me, I'd have to say so myself.

But if this team is for bringing in defenders now, why not get rid of both Dunleavy AND Murphy?

With Mullin giving Murphy that big extention and Mullin's goal of keeping the "young core" together. I doubt Mullin is itching to get rid of either Murphy or Dunleavy. I bet if there is the right deal, that Mullin will look into it deeply. But I don't see Mullin just dangling Murphy or Dunleavy to anyone, just to get rid of them.

And trading Murphy for a back up SF, isn't really making any progress. Maybe if someone surpasses Murphy as the everyday PF, then it wouldn't be as bad of an idea. But jeesh...

 

Yeah, Jrich23, I'm kind puzzled lately by a lot of your comments. Like there's no explanation where you're coming from or there's no depth to your reasoning at times. I'm not trying to rip on ya, but it's like you've been posting for the sake of posting, which is great at times because of your enthusiasm, but recently on some posts you seem to really rushing your thoughts and then quality of feedback kind of gets lost. I hope I'm not sounding too harsh because you are a big contributor to the forum with your ideas, welcoming new members, and just being awesome.

Oh well I ain't perfect either when I try to communicate. Sometimes I got so many ideas, so many different points of view to consider I try to throw it into one long post and it turns into a badly written essay.

Anway, again, don't take offense man. It's just hard to understand you in such few words without supporting statements or something to relate to.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, Jrich23, I'm kind puzzled lately by a lot of your comments. Like there's no explanation where you're coming from or there's no depth to your reasoning at times. I'm not trying to rip on ya, but it's like you've been posting for the sake of posting, which is great at times because of your enthusiasm, but recently on some posts you seem to really rushing your thoughts and then quality of feedback kind of gets lost. I hope I'm not sounding too harsh because you are a big contributor to the forum with your ideas, welcoming new members, and just being awesome.

Oh well I ain't perfect either when I try to communicate. Sometimes I got so many ideas, so many different points of view to consider I try to throw it into one long post and it turns into a badly written essay.

Anway, again, don't take offense man. It's just hard to understand you in such few words without supporting statements or something to relate to.</div>

I kind of have been posting more lately, but I kind of have been a bit lazy in the community lately, but some of these posts have come from deep thinking on things like how much a summer can do to a guy, for example latley I've been ripping Murphy and how he plays to much on the perimeter. These have come from watching more games because lately I have missed a few games so I put my feed-back from these games in. This kind of makes me a bandwagoner, but I have been more active in supporting the dubs latley so I have more thoughts, sometimes rushed in less quality. But I still try to put my thoughts in

 

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