Cavs Fire Silas!

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  1. McGrady^1

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    Ya..if every good team went of a slump...i guess all their head coaches should be fired :S ....this is a horrible move imo for the cavs...the timing is all wrong ...they shouldn't fire him during this crucial stretch right now
     
  2. Red Bull

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    Well Silas has been on thin ice for the entire 2nd half of the season. Lets make a list.

    -6 game losing streak.
    -Silas bashes a former Cavalier player in a very vulger manner.
    -3 Game losing streak
    -In a must win game, desides to sacrifice not playing their offensive PG Jeff McInnis to teach him a lesson, and the entire bench contributes with 1 point.

    Paxon and Gilbert were also frustrated with the way that Silas refuses to play young stars. He refused to play Varejao major mintutes off the bench and favors Tractor, when Varejao does all the hustle and muscle in his short playing time.

    The downfall of past lottery choices of Dajuan Wagner and DeSegana Diop wasn't helped at all by Silas. He was supposed to groom those players. He refused to even play them any minutes besides garbage minutes, how is he going to develope future players if all they do is sit on the pine?

    Silas' dumb coaching style has lost us many games this season. The Cavaliers' record should be over 40 wins at the moment, instead, his inabilty to draw a great x and o chart and just let guys play, hes stooped the Cavaliers to where they are now. Thank goodness for LeBron James. If that kid didn't carry the Cavaliers on his back, we would be in a much worser posistion than we are in now.

    Canidates, of course Flip Saunders. Great coach, very respectible and is also a Cleveland native. He is the most logic choice.

    Lenny Wilkens possibly. I hope not, he's has won a good number of games, but he has also lost many, many of them also.

    Maurice Cheeks. If Silas couldn't control his team, Mo isn't going to do it here neither, especially with the whiny McInnis and thug lived Ira Newble. It wouldn't work.

    Then you have Phil Jackson. The new owner will most likely throw the man an offer, you can't pass up offering Phil Jackson to coach the Next Big Thing. Zydrunas and LeBron will flourish in the triangle offense just like Kobe and Shaq did.

    Expect a big push for Phil Jackson fellas. Read about it, and read about it some more. Dan Gilbert will want Phil Jackson to save the future of the franchise. If Dan Gilbert fired Paul Silas to keep LeBron for the long haul, then hiring this man will perminantly seal the deal.

    RB.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Red Bull:</div><div class="quote_post">Well Silas has been on thin ice for the entire 2nd half of the season. Lets make a list.

    -6 game losing streak.
    -Silas bashes a former Cavalier player in a very vulger manner.
    -3 Game losing streak
    -In a must win game, desides to sacrifice not playing their offensive PG Jeff McInnis to teach him a lesson, and the entire bench contributes with 1 point.

    Paxon and Gilbert were also frustrated with the way that Silas refuses to play young stars. He refused to play Varejao major mintutes off the bench and favors Tractor, when Varejao does all the hustle and muscle in his short playing time.

    The downfall of past lottery choices of Dajuan Wagner and DeSegana Diop wasn't helped at all by Silas. He was supposed to groom those players. He refused to even play them any minutes besides garbage minutes, how is he going to develope future players if all they do is sit on the pine?

    Silas' dumb coaching style has lost us many games this season. The Cavaliers' record should be over 40 wins at the moment, instead, his inabilty to draw a great x and o chart and just let guys play, hes stooped the Cavaliers to where they are now. Thank goodness for LeBron James. If that kid didn't carry the Cavaliers on his back, we would be in a much worser posistion than we are in now.

    Canidates, of course Flip Saunders. Great coach, very respectible and is also a Cleveland native. He is the most logic choice.

    Lenny Wilkens possibly. I hope not, he's has won a good number of games, but he has also lost many, many of them also.

    Maurice Cheeks. If Silas couldn't control his team, Mo isn't going to do it here neither, especially with the whiny McInnis and thug lived Ira Newble. It wouldn't work.

    Then you have Phil Jackson. The new owner will most likely throw the man an offer, you can't pass up offering Phil Jackson to coach the Next Big Thing. Zydrunas and LeBron will flourish in the triangle offense just like Kobe and Shaq did.

    Expect a big push for Phil Jackson fellas. Read about it, and read about it some more. Dan Gilbert will want Phil Jackson to save the future of the franchise. If Dan Gilbert fired Paul Silas to keep LeBron for the long haul, then hiring this man will perminantly seal the deal.

    RB.</div>
    Sounds like the Cavs want it both ways with Silas. They want him to win, but winning means you have to play your best players and not focus on developing Diop, Wagner, and some of the other young Cavs. It's not Silas fault the Jiri Welsch trade has been a bust, also Luke Jackson being out, and Ira Newble being inconsistent. Wagner and Diop have been injured all season, at this point of the year the team doesn't have the practice time to develop these two. They'll have to stay healthy and practice hard in the off-season when there is actual time to develop them.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">-6 game losing streak.
    -Silas bashes a former Cavalier player in a very vulger manner.
    -3 Game losing streak
    -In a must win game, desides to sacrifice not playing their offensive PG Jeff McInnis to teach him a lesson, and the entire bench contributes with 1 point.
    </div> Except for Silas's tat with Boozer, you can't blame him for a 3 game losing streak and a 6 game losing streak. His players are just as much as fault, if not more for those losing streaks. Benching McInnis was necessary in my book. Silas wanted to send a message to the team that he is in charge, not the players. McInnis has been a liability on defense down the stretch of games and instead of taking the criticism he gets an attitude. It sets a bad precedence for the team if Silas lets McInnis get away with that.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">you can't blame him for a 3 game losing streak and a 6 game losing streak.</div>

    I guess your right on the dot with that one. It isn't Silas' fault that he didn't have a constant rotation and didn't define roles for his bench. It wasn't his fault that his team wasn't picking it up on defense for a stretch of 12 games neither. It was the players fault all together. I mean, they should have known to pick up the D all by themselves correct? Silas did the right thing, he just let them run along the court and let them find out the hard way. Thats old school coaching for ya.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> It sets a bad precedence for the team if Silas lets McInnis get away with that.</div>

    You are on a roll. But riddle me this, is it much worse for him to teach him a lesson so late in the season, than it is letting him get away with it for the majority of the season? If you ask me, i'd choose the ladder. The McInnis situation should have been handled a long time ago. And the fact that the Cavaliers needed that win against Toronto, benching him the entire game didn't help much.

    I have read from scout.com that Silas actually wanted to cut McInnis. The front office refused. Silas took it upon his own hands to not play him because of that, and probably not play him for the rest of the season. Now tell me, for a team that is heading to the playoffs, was these decisions wise by the head coach? I don't care how terrible Mac's defense is. When Zydrunas and LeBron is the only ones scoring the basketball, you need others to step up and help. Mac can provide the O, and he would have provided it in Toronto as well.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Red Bull:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess your right on the dot with that one. It isn't Silas' fault that he didn't have a constant rotation and didn't define roles for his bench. It wasn't his fault that his team wasn't picking it up on defense for a stretch of 12 games neither. It was the players fault all together. I mean, they should have known to pick up the D all by themselves correct? Silas did the right thing, he just let them run along the court and let them find out the hard way. Thats old school coaching for ya. </div> You basically regurgitated everything Jim Paxson said. No one was complaining about his rotations when the Cavs were winning and in position to win their division. Then the Cavs got hit by injuries and Silas had to make adjustments with the players he had.

    These are professional players, they should definitely know to pick up D all by themselves. You don't think the first thing preached by every coach in practice is defense and rebounding?

    But hey, when you have 5 coaches in the last 5 years I guess Jim Paxson has the Cavs under control and headed in the right direction. [​IMG]
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    You are on a roll. But riddle me this, is it much worse for him to teach him a lesson so late in the season, than it is letting him get away with it for the majority of the season? If you ask me, i'd choose the ladder. The McInnis situation should have been handled a long time ago. And the fact that the Cavaliers needed that win against Toronto, benching him the entire game didn't help much.

    I have read from scout.com that Silas actually wanted to cut McInnis. The front office refused. Silas took it upon his own hands to not play him because of that, and probably not play him for the rest of the season. Now tell me, for a team that is heading to the playoffs, was these decisions wise by the head coach? I don't care how terrible Mac's defense is. When Zydrunas and LeBron is the only ones scoring the basketball, you need others to step up and help. Mac can provide the O, and he would have provided it in Toronto as well.

    RB</div>
    I would want McInnis off my team as well. He's a team cancer and has a diluted sense of how good he is. You talk about bad timing, isn't it bad timing on McInnis part to go into a funk this time of the year in the first place? Silas had problems with McInnis last year as well, why didn't Paxson get him someone Silas could coach and count on?

    McInnis provides inconsistent O, and he gives up the points right back on the D.

    He sure wasn't providing the O during the Cavs 6 game losing streak. The only thing he was providing was the L.

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    this may be the best move so far by cleveland this year cuz silas was really hurting the the cavs,first off he was not giving the right amount of minutes to the right people. he was not running plays that Z could keep up with,we all have to realize that lebron plays at totally different level then the team does,if you dont believe me just look at the turnovers.and everything topped off everything when he benched mcginnis for the entire game that bron bron scored 56.believe it or not lebron could be even better if he has the right coach and the right coach i see for this situation isssssss.......... flip saunders......dont believ me just look at K.G. the best player in the game right now!lebron could become the best player in the league and maybe even ..............the greatest player ever.he just needs the right coach and the right type of players around him.role players like eric williams back off the bench mark madson just good energy role players they are not expensive just do the work JIM PAXSON........lebron cant do everything for you buddy earn your paycheck you bum!paxson is used to people doing his work for him IE MICHAEL JORDAN!
     
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    lebron not involved

    according to hoopshype.com LBJ wasnt involved in the firing. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> HOUSTON -- Cavaliers insiders are upset at national reports that swingman LeBron James had anything to do with coach Paul Silas getting fired.</div>
     
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    There is this notion going around that the players "didn't have defined roles" I've noticed this has only been coming out in the past week. Who didn't know their role?

    As for players like Diop, Wagner, and Welsh, I could care less about them. They weren't gonna help this team, and I don't think anymore time needs to be wasted on them.

    I saw defined roles for LeBron, Z, Drew, Ira, J-mac, and Snow. The problem comes in when the bench players can't be consistant enough to ever let you get a handle on what they're capable of.
     
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    There is no way that is the best move for the team. This is only the second year Silas got a chance. Poor guy, he was a perfect mentor for LeBron and had already in my opinion done a fantastic job.
     

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