With the Raps out of contention to win the Atlantic, and almost out of contention to get the 8th seed, around 6 wins back from 8th... when is the time to call it a season and let Hoffa and Pape clock in big minutes. They need development and PT. So when is it time to pick up the pieces and focus on the future. Is it now? Or time isn't up yet for us Raps.
hoffa logs big minutes when he isnt in foul trouble. he didnt start yesterday because he was sick pape on the other hand... but i would say that time is already up. start giving them mintues now. all we are doing by winning is hurting draft position lol
^I agree the time is now. I think that is why we saw Pape Sow in the game guarding Lebron yesterday. I am not a pessimistic person by nature but I know that we have a fat chance in hell to make the playoffs this year. Now do we give up and try to lose games to get a better draft pick? Hell no. But we do have to start developing our younger players in Pape, Hoffa and Bonner. I have seen Pape play and he is still very very raw but he does have potential. He is horrible on offense but on defense he hustles and he contests shots every time. He doesn't take a play off when defending and rebounding and that is something to look foward to in the Raptors near future. Put this kid in a Pete Newells big man camp and hopefully he can learn a thing or two or four.
we all know the season is over! its just that there still is a chance and no one wants to talk about elimination just yet. You know what! i had an idea, kinda late but i wish we could've gotten primoz brezec on draft day. by that i mean we could've traded draft rights to charlotte for aruajo, and we'd gotten primoz brezec. cuz he is a good center at that. i really like the guy. but oh well. its the what if question i brought up.... but yeah.. our season is more than likely over.
Our season is definately over, IMO it was over a few good weeks ago. And of course we should give hoffa and the rooks some minutes, but I hope we can also give Loren Woods some PT, I dunno why but I really like that kid.
We play Pape a lot, and hope Milwaukee and New York beat us in the standing, so we get the 7th pick, and they get the 8th and 9th picks I don't cheer for losses, but if we lose, I'm not displaced or dissapointed, because I know it's for the greater good.
*hopes to god we lose the rest of our games* Why shouldn't we, why on earth would we want to be 1 game away from a playoff spot, and get a bad pick (even if it were possible). Just throw in the towel. If we do, we have a bright next season
If Babcock is going to squander away the picks again, then I don't really know what we would be able to do. He has done nothing good to prove himself yet. Drafting Araujo was a huge mistake, Rafer is having an up and down season, the Carter trade has brought us misery. The only bright point of Babcock's is that Bosh is developing at a faster rate now that Vince is gone. If Babcock is going to make good use of the pick this time, then we should give up now. If we don't get on a four-game winning streak, then I'd say the season is over. It won't be very wise also if we make a great playoff charge and end up with the 11th pick. Either lose all the way or playoffs. I'd say it's safer to keep tanking our way to a better draft position. Make Pape the backup center and limit Marshall's minutes, give Bonner 25mpg, and maybe give Bosh a bit of a rest. He's very exhausted and his recent play indicates that. Next season would look bright if we have a 100% Bosh and sophomores with more experience. That is, if Araujo can stay on the floor without fouling...
I feel bad for Babcock, the best thigns about our team we all Grunwald moves: Drafting Bosh and Bonner, and trading for Rose and Marshall. Babcock does have the trade for Pape Sow, at least he's an athletic guy that can have us hoping.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel bad for Babcock, the best thigns about our team we all Grunwald moves: Drafting Bosh and Bonner, and trading for Rose and Marshall. Babcock does have the trade for Pape Sow, at least he's an athletic guy that can have us hoping.</div> Who knows whether the guy we traded for Sow, Morailles, will become the next Luis Scola? I do agree with your points about Grunwald's moves. He traded for Carter, Rose, Marshall, hired Lenny Wilkens whom I still believe was our best coach ever during his span with Toronto, drafted Bosh, Peterson, Bonner, traded for Antonio Davis when he was something. The only bad move Grunwald has really made is signing Olajuwon. Maybe there's some other things he did wrong and bad, but that's all I can remember. In hindsight, maybe replacing him with Babcock was a bad move by Raptors management.
Technically, the raptors' time was done after the trade deadline...now they need rookies to get development for the future
Well Grunwald also drafted Radejovic, Michael Bradley, though Bradley wansn't really bad, just had too many injuries etc. The worst thing was the year when we had 2 lottery picks and got Bender and Radejovic, but we traded Bender for AD though, so that was okay.
without a doubt our season is done. but to say the least, we shouldn't let our opponent walk over our backs to just get a better future. imo. babcock has done nth wrong so far the season, it takes 2 to make a trade, carter had to be traded, he was causing distraction, on and off the court for our team. bab made the best move there is for us, towards our "better" future, with the 2 1st round picks. and araujo wasn't a mistake, all center takes yrs to develop. was ben wallance what he is when he first enter the league, how about yao? its been 2/3 yrs already, and he still haven't live up to his haf potenial. bab addressed our needs for a big man, araujo was the best availble, he's not that bad what he stays out of foul trouble...in a season or 2, he will be one of our solid rotation. ppl give him time...he will NOT be a mistake.
I'll kill for Araujo to get Yao's rookie averages of 14 and 8 right now. Sadly, that seems to be the dream stats for Araujo throughout his career. Centers like Shaquille O'Neal, Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing didn't take long to develop. They became 20ppg guys once they got into the NBA. Araujo doesn't have time on his side either; he is already 22 and would supposedly reach his peak around 27. I don't see him getting much better. And also, that "better future" would mean nothing if Babcock turns those picks into Araujo again. It's also not like those picks will be very high picks, most likely in the mid teens. Don't mean to make fun of you here, but I suspect that you're Babcock in disguise! You're the only one around here who still has faith in him.
LOL I don't even understand why the Raps talk about the rest of the season like it's tomorrow - we have an incredibly slim chance with the playoffs unless we can somehow pull off a winning streak like the Nets did. Their streak kept them alive and it looks like they're gonna snatch the playoff spot from Philly. Well imo I think we can win against the Bulls today and then Philly on Friday - (hello? did you not see last last Sunday's game? lol even though they'll be guarding Donyell alot we can still win) and then Atlanta on Saturday. We did lose to them but I'm extremely doubtful that it will happen again.
im not the only one having faith in babcock. by all means i didn't agree to draft araujo at the 8th. but we needed a big, in a hurry too, and couldn't u think that bab had thought about trading our high pick for 2 lower picks? if the fans could have thought of it, obivously he has worked with it.snapping araujo would be better right decision, he just didn't turn out as establish as we had all thought, but in any case, ex-gm Glen. had yrs to prove himself, y should i or anybody bash bab for what he did for less than a yr? beside im pretty sure the 2nd 1st rounders was what babcock was looking for...nobody could had traded their all-star for carter at that moment. wouldn't u rather get 2 future unknowns than to take someone with a huge contract and mite not fit into our chemistry? babcock is working with his back against the wall, he doesn't have many options, our salary is capped, from previous yrs, with our franchise player demanding to leave, i say he's done a great job to stablize our team so far, hell, if isn't for him, and Glen still remains, the raps would be in chaos.
Babcock hiring Sam Mitchell was a good move, the carter trade was good aswell, we got draft picks and managed to free cap space. It's to early to judge hoffa, big man take time to develope. So far the only bad move by babcock is the move he didn't make and that was not trade Donyelle Marshall. Anyway the point is its to early to judge Babcock, he hasn't really F*#@ed up nor has he done anything really impressive. Give him some time.
u guys shud have taken the center the sonics took, i know his stats suck but he's like 10 years younger than arujo, and has higher potential
You mean Robert Swift?... i still believe that Babcock should of tooken the best available player during the draft... instead of picking Positions... I remember one draft where drafting by positions really messed up the chances of a team... So lets hope and prey Babcock doesn't draft by position again.. but drafts the best player(s) at the time..
