Stop Talkin Felton,You Don't Know What You Speak Of

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  1. MR BRYANT

    MR BRYANT JBB JustBBall Member

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] I know you all think we really need a pg but that shouls not be our focus in this draft. We need players who ocan by into the "Triangle", or whatever system is going to be incorporated, players who can play their roles and are dedicated to the franchise, who are apreciative to be on this squad. We don't nessarily need a point with our pick.Chuck is perfectly capable of handeling the starting pg duties. Besides, no odisrespect intended but ya'll must be on the west coast watching ESPN highlights. I live in Acc territory and Raymand Felton is truly overvalued. He is undersized, his defense on stronger quiker guards is suspect, His attitude could be better, his leadership capibilites are "repectable" at best. In all honesty he is the the fourth best guard in the acc (as it pertains to game thransfering over to the pros). If you watch acc games his hype is based on playing for "North Carolina", Chris Paul, Jarrett Jack, and Guillermo Diaz(miami) are better pro style guards. Jarrett Jack's a.heart,b. leadership,c.defense,d.size(height&strenght),c.maryland/d.c. point guard mentality are a perfect fit for for L.A.'s need for a back up PG whois the a perfect understudy to take over the starting position. He is quick enough to stay with Bibby(same speed and body build), strong and tall enough to switch on picks and rotate out to Bruce Bowen.
    DraftCity.com compares him to Gary Payton type,with the worstcase secnario being Eric Snow. This guy is hungry and with a new reburthed Lakers team if we desperetly need to draft a Pg i implore Laker fans united to take a closer look at Raymond Felton and a true observation will shoe that he does not fit a purple and gold uniform

    For a side note remeber these predictions:Kuptcheck will have a chance to get Francisco Garcia and he won't but he will sorely regret it.
    But true to his Carolina pride he will put his Tarheel blue in front of his LosAngeles gold and draft either McCants or Felton and neither will make an impact.........THANK GOD WE GOT 2PICKS IN THER FIRST AND 2 IN THE SECOND
    SIGNED A TRUE BLOOD LAKER FAN
     
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    Why you don't want Raymond Felton?

    Bcuz he gets his whole team involved and your gonna be pissed kobe's scoring chances might go to Mihm and Odom if we have Raymond??

    We need a team game going not isolation. Kobe controlling team has led us nowhere but lottery.

    Get Felton get everyone involved balance our box score more!

    Keep CHUCKY HAHAHAHA his D sucks. An NBDL pg could go for 40 on Atkins
     
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    I have to disagree, about Jarrett Jack being a better fit than Felton on the Lakers and in the triangle. Jarrett Jack cannot shoot off the dribble and he's digressed in his play making abilities from a season ago, IMO. Last year GTech was a nice story and Jarrett Jack got a lot of credit, however this season GTech didn't sneak up anyone and teams prepared to stop Jack and they did. His AST/TO ratio dropped from 1.8 to 1.3, he only had 1 game with 11+ assists v.three last year.

    Against UNC he struggled in both games. He shot 6-14 with only 1 assist and 5 turnovers in the first game. In the second game He shot 2-12 with and managed only 6 points. Felton didn't do much better, but he outplayed Jack in both games. Of course it's hard to judge them head to head because both play different roles for their team.

    Assuming the Lakers bring back the Triangle, the point guard they need will have to be a consistent shooter and score off the dribble. Felton is better at both. Felton also gives the Lakers a speed guard to defend the increasing use of these type of guards. Tony Parker, Dwayne Wade, Ridnour, Iverson etc. These type of players have destroyed the Lakers this season. Chucky was too, slow and Tierre Brown ... well it's Tierre Brown. Basically the Lakers had no one to stay in front of those guys, but Felton will be able to fill that void.

    Felton has showed all season he can make his teammates better, and sacrificed his own performance by feeding May, McCants, or Williams.

    I will agree Jarrett Jack is the better defender, but the type of defensive player he is, doesn't really help against the speed guards in the league. I'm not impressed with his ability to control tempo either and knowing how to work effectively against the shotclock.

    You mentioned Jarrett Jack is similar to Payton, as a Laker fan, you saw first hand Gary Payton is not made for the Triangle Offense.

    I believe Chris Paul returns to Wake Forest for another run, he's the best point guard if he does declare though.

    The best fit for the team might actually be Chris Thomas from Notre Dame, but he's not worth a lottery pick.

    Whether it's Jack or Felton, I'll be happy as a Laker fan though, both are upgrades over our current PGs.
     
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    You guys should have an official draft thread, I've seen like 3 threads on the frontpage about who to or not to draft.
     
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    MR BRYANT - I'm not sure if you watched the game today, but if so, has your feelings on Felton changed at all? Of course one game is not fair to judge on, but I think Felton showed a lot of leadership, composure, and excellent decision making in the game. The gameplan was for North Carolina to feed May inside and put pressure on Wisconsins' interior defense. Felton executed the gameplan to perfection by getting May involved early and often all game long. Felton struggled from behind the arc, but he was solid from midrange and iced the game with clutch free throw shooting, despite having only a 65% percentage from the line this year. His ability to play within the gameplan and not get rattled when Wisconsin made their comebacks impressed me.
     
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    Although the Lakers do need a PG, I think they should focus on getting another head coach before they think about draft. That way when you get a coach you can draft a player that incorporates well with that coach's playing style rather then drafting a player even though you don't have a game plan. If the Lakers were to get Silas then I'd go with a PG that has good play making ability and Felton definitely has that ability. If Zen came back they would need some body that could run the triangle offense and I think Felton could handle that as well.
     
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    We need some bangers inside! IM TELLING YA!
     
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    Shape mentioned Chris Thomas as a good fit. He'd probably be around in the 2nd round, right? Well then I think that since the lakers are most likely going to have a lottery pick, they should try and draft a Power forward that can rebound and play good man, and off the ball defense. This way, they can move Odom back to his true position at SF, and be a more complete team. This is just another possibility that i'm sure the lakers will be exploring. But, kupcake boy hasn't exactly been a great GM, so you never know what will happen in the draft for the lakeshow.
     
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    I Did watch the game the game todayand my feeling are only on hold because i really value "SHAPECITY'S" opinion. But i watched this guy all season and respect the fact that he has excelled on all levels; in my opinion his drive and desire are lacking. An example of fire and desire is Sean May and the focus and devewlopment he has shown lately.
    Look guys we are "Laker Family" and we are going to support whoever. But i got a bad feeling about this kid.......I'ma ride with ya'll and if ya'll are feeling him then that is who i choose too.
     
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    Thanks, I appreciate you respecting my opinion. After reading your post I had to pay extra attention to Felton today. I was hoping UNC would draw Michigan St. because it will be a nice test to see how Felton can play against a team with tremendous quality and depth.

    If you watch the NBA, players with an explosive first step usually find success. Look a guy like Iverson, even though he's been in the league for quite a few years and is getting up in age, his ability to explode off his first step makes him one of the best scorers in the NBA. Felton has the same type of explosive first step. He's not nearly the scorer Iverson is, but Felton will be able to make up for his size with his quickness.
     
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    I have to admit I like Felton. I've been watching him during the tourney, and he impresses me. He is just one of the things the Lakers need...but if available, they need to grab him and work Free Agency or Trade for their other needs (e.g. a PF). And I believe I speak for us all when I say we all value Shapecity's opinion. =)
     
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    Jarret Jack Man... Jarret Jack

    Felton is not the guy .
     
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    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Jarret Jack is not what we need. He just isn't overall as good as Felton, Shape has pointed it out many times in the past. Look up some of his posts...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR BRYANT:</div><div class="quote_post">Felton is not the guy .</div>


    Both would fit our needs, but right now if Felton and Jack were available you pick Felton, he just has more upside for the future.
     
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    Felton is less offensive minded than Jack IMO, and that is what we need. We don't need another scorer..we need someone who can play D and has awesome court vision..ala Felton.
     
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    Raymond Felton impressed again in the biggest game of his career. He was clutch at the line down the stretch, and he got the ball to May. Felton recognized Illinois could not stop May, just like the other teams in the tourney, so Felton got the ball to the man who gave them the best chance to win. Felton struggled guarding Deron Williams, and he'll likely struggle against the bigger guards in the league. However, I like his ability to stay in front of his man. Very efficient game again by Felton, he also just won the National PG of the year award.

    You also have to like the fact he gave all the praise to his coach.
     
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    I'll contnue to say it until i am proven wrong.... taking Raymond Felton with our lottery pick is a mistake and a waste of that pick. We need a Freakin frontline player. I implore all of you to study Franz Vasquez as an option. If i am wrong i won"t have a problem admitting that. But you guys are letting ESPN and Dickie V blow this up. Point guards can be picked up later in the draft. Shape; i havent heard you give a full endorsment of this cat. Finally let me say I saw with my own two eyes Sahsa in the summerleague. If you didn't you WILL this summer see guy who was worth the pick last year....HOLLA BACK
     
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    sorry Laker fans..
    But Felton is Toronto's pick=)
     
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    ^Sorry, but i'm gonna go off-topic a moment here.

    Everyone says that Sasha Vujacic was amazing last summer league? Can I ask how so? I didn't get to watch any of it, I just heard that he had some sweet passes? What kind of highlights does anyone remember?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR BRYANT:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll contnue to say it until i am proven wrong.... taking Raymond Felton with our lottery pick is a mistake and a waste of that pick. We need a Freakin frontline player. I implore all of you to study Franz Vasquez as an option. If i am wrong i won"t have a problem admitting that. But you guys are letting ESPN and Dickie V blow this up. Point guards can be picked up later in the draft. Shape; i havent heard you give a full endorsment of this cat. Finally let me say I saw with my own two eyes Sahsa in the summerleague. If you didn't you WILL this summer see guy who was worth the pick last year....HOLLA BACK</div>

    I have my reservations about Felton too, his size for one, and sometimes he plays too, fast instead of letting the game come to him. I like Franz, but I don't think he's going to be there when the Lakers draft, I actually don't think Felton slips by the Raptors either at #7. In the last 2 JBB Mock's we have the Lakers taking May or Taft. I'd be content with either of those players, it's an upgrade in the frontcourt.

    I'd love to win the lotto though.
     
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