<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Platehpus:</div><div class="quote_post">Here's what I'd do. The Knicks will be running a three-guard lineup next year, so not resigning Tim Thomas is an obvious if we're going to get Ariza more minutes. If we miss out on Bogut, I'd take Green if he's still available. A big man to compliment Sweetney in the inside game would be wonderful, but I simply don't trust any of the europeans.</div> Totally agree on the european sub, basically were takin a risk here, he might play good there but he can collapse here. so i rather draft someone that played here, green is a good draft so is splitter and taft, the question is will they still be around when it going to be out pick???
Guys don't forget we also have another 1st rounder probably (likely 27-30), and also a 2nd rounder from Houston I beleive (likely in the 50's) so we can get a sleeper or a Frye, or Turiaf with our late 1st rounder.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">After the way Gerald Green played yesterday, it wouldn't surprise me at all for Isiah to pick him up. But after reading some scouting reports on Andriuskevicius, I have to say that I do not see Isiah going for him. Andriuskevicius, according to Chad Ford, supposedly likes to shoot from the outside, despite his 7-3 frame, and I don't know that that's the kind of player Isiah has interest in incorportating into this team. I think he wants a man with serious prescense in the paint, or just someone who can flat-out score. And I just don't see it. I see a possible selection of Green, but Ithink he's going for Taft or Splitter.</div> Just wanted to clear something up. Martynas does have developing post moves but he's still just a kid and doesnt really have the body to bang with big players. Which could be good since now he knows how to shoot. As soon as he puts on some pounds he'll be a force in the paint. Why are we talking about using a lottery pick on a swingman? Especially when we already have our swingman of the future. I'm willing to bet there are a few swingmen that will be better than him further down in the first round, like Mikael Gelabale, and even one or two in the second round, maybe Ryan Gomes. Let's forget about this Green character and pick up Splitter. As for the second rounder from Houston it's going to be really low so we should probably try to get Lucas Tischer. He's a real big man who could be a force defensively in the paint. Then use our late first rounder on Vladimir Veremeenko. That way we'll have our big men of the future set and we'll be able to pick up some guards next season. By the way I'm still confused how many draft picks do we have for this season? I dont think we have our second rounder anymore...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Why are we talking about using a lottery pick on a swingman? Especially when we already have our swingman of the future. I'm willing to bet there are a few swingmen that will be better than him further down in the first round, like Mikael Gelabale, and even one or two in the second round, maybe Ryan Gomes. Let's forget about this Green character and pick up Splitter. As for the second rounder from Houston it's going to be really low so we should probably try to get Lucas Tischer. He's a real big man who could be a force defensively in the paint. Then use our late first rounder on Vladimir Veremeenko. That way we'll have our big men of the future set and we'll be able to pick up some guards next season.</div> I know what you're saying, but we're passing up on real talent here. Ariza is a swingman for the future, but Green can be very valuable for us. He can provide us with that 6th man we need. Also when Marbury leaves he will most likely be in his prime leaving a front court of a mature Ariza and Sweetney. I think we can get a more than solid big man with our later first rounder. Plus with those expiring contracts, I think Isiah might be able to bring in a solid big man. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">By the way I'm still confused how many draft picks do we have for this season? I dont think we have our second rounder anymore...</div> I'm pretty sure it is like this: 1. Our lottery pick 2. San Antonio's lottery pick via Phoenix 3. Houston's second round pick (I heard we have theirs somehow not quite sure, but we do.)
mrj18 <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">I know what you're saying, but we're passing up on real talent here. Ariza is a swingman for the future, but Green can be very valuable for us. He can provide us with that 6th man we need. Also when Marbury leaves he will most likely be in his prime leaving a front court of a mature Ariza and Sweetney. </div> you are forgetting something, Green is better than Ariza is and will be a better player than Ariza could ever hope of being. I think it would be the other way around with ariza being a solid off-the-bench contributor and Greed starting <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2. San Antonio's lottery pick via Phoenix</div> its not a lottery pick....... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">3. Houston's second round pick (I heard we have theirs somehow not quite sure, but we do.)</div> I think its via the mauric taylor trade
You honestly want to use a high lottery pick on a small forward? How about no? We can always draft a good small forward later on in the draft. Good big men are hard to find but swingmen are everywhere. Who cares how talented Green is? It doesn't matter how good Green will be because Ariza will be good enough. Unless he's guaranteed to turn into Lebron or Jordan or Kobe let's forget him and draft a small forward next season. Ronny Turiaf is a good big man that we can use our late first rounder on and/or we can use Houston's second rounder to get Lucas Tischer. One thing is for sure I dont want to trade away our expiring contracts and take on more salary. That's a big no no. Does anyone know if we have our own second rounder?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">You honestly want to use a high lottery pick on a small forward? How about no? We can always draft a good small forward later on in the draft. Good big men are hard to find but swingmen are everywhere. Who cares how talented Green is? It doesn't matter how good Green will be because Ariza will be good enough. Unless he's guaranteed to turn into Lebron or Jordan or Kobe let's forget him and draft a small forward next season.</div> But McGrady is in the same league as Kobe and some even consider him better. McGrady is a very good baller and a 2 time scoring champ. Swingmen are everywhere, but not swingmen turning out to be like McGrady. We can get a more than solid big man in the draft with S.A.'s pick or we can package them together with our second rounder and maybe get a 24th pick in the dratf and pick up a sleeper. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ronny Turiaf is a good big man that we can use our late first rounder on and/or we can use Houston's second rounder to get Lucas Tischer. One thing is for sure I dont want to trade away our expiring contracts and take on more salary. That's a big no no. Does anyone know if we have our own second rounder?</div> If we add to our salary in a sign-and-trade to a good young player , I wouldn't mind that. If we can use them in the draft I definitely wouldn't mind! Nope, I'm pretty sure Houston has it. Basically we swapped 2nd rounders.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">You honestly want to use a high lottery pick on a small forward? How about no? We can always draft a good small forward later on in the draft. Good big men are hard to find but swingmen are everywhere. Who cares how talented Green is? It doesn't matter how good Green will be because Ariza will be good enough. Unless he's guaranteed to turn into Lebron or Jordan or Kobe let's forget him and draft a small forward next season. Ronny Turiaf is a good big man that we can use our late first rounder on and/or we can use Houston's second rounder to get Lucas Tischer. One thing is for sure I dont want to trade away our expiring contracts and take on more salary. That's a big no no. Does anyone know if we have our own second rounder?</div> Bogut or bust.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Platehpus:</div><div class="quote_post">Bogut or bust.</div> lol Bogut is the most mature out of them and he is the player of the year. We probably wont get him though. I wish we could package all of our picks and get him.
I beg to differ... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">you are forgetting something, Green is better than Ariza is and will be a better player than Ariza could ever hope of being. I think it would be the other way around with ariza being a solid off-the-bench contributor and Greed starting</div> How do you know that? He is not even proven! You are making assumptions right now. People thought Olowokandi would be better than Nowitzki and we see how that turned out. Let's see what he can do in the league first, than judge based upon that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">its not a lottery pick.......</div> Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking there <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think its via the mauric taylor trade</div> No, they have our second rounder.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">lol Bogut is the most mature out of them and he is the player of the year. We probably wont get him though. I wish we could package all of our picks and get him.</div> Bogut is getting overrated. He isnt that much better than Splitter or Marvin Williams and Martynas will almost certainly be better. Packaging all of our picks for him would be silly. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">But McGrady is in the same league as Kobe and some even consider him better. McGrady is a very good baller and a 2 time scoring champ. Swingmen are everywhere, but not swingmen turning out to be like McGrady. We can get a more than solid big man in the draft with S.A.'s pick or we can package them together with our second rounder and maybe get a 24th pick in the dratf and pick up a sleeper. If we add to our salary in a sign-and-trade to a good young player , I wouldn't mind that. If we can use them in the draft I definitely wouldn't mind!</div> We dont need Green! We need a good big man. It's not about who's more talented or who will be a better player we need a good big man out of necessity. There just arent alot of quality big men in the league we cant pass up on a chance to grab one. We have a much better chance of finding a good swingman further down the draft than finding a good big man. Mikael Gelabale for example. And adding salary is just a bad idea anyway you look at it even if we do get a solid big man. If we keep adding salary we're going to have serious issues when we have to resign Sweetney and Ariza and whoever we draft.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Bogut is getting overrated. He isnt that much better than Splitter or Marvin Williams and Martynas will almost certainly be better. Packaging all of our picks for him would be silly.</div> Are you serious? I haven't seen him play too much, but if that's the case, you're right. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We dont need Green! We need a good big man. It's not about who's more talented or who will be a better player we need a good big man out of necessity. There just arent alot of quality big men in the league we cant pass up on a chance to grab one. We have a much better chance of finding a good swingman further down the draft than finding a good big man. Mikael Gelabale for example. And adding salary is just a bad idea anyway you look at it even if we do get a solid big man. If we keep adding salary we're going to have serious issues when we have to resign Sweetney and Ariza and whoever we draft.</div> But Green is talented. I know, but a nice foundation with Green, Crawford, Sweetney and Ariza is nice. Greens upside is higher than Splitter's uppside and if he does turn out to be the next McGrady or better, I think we'll be kicking ourselves for not drafting him. Can we do the opposite and get a solid big man with our second first rounder? Who do you think Splitter will turn out to be and what kind of numbers do you see? If they're good, then maybe we can reconsider, but this Green guy is very good.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">lol Bogut is the most mature out of them and he is the player of the year. We probably wont get him though. I wish we could package all of our picks and get him.</div> Bogut is getting overrated. He isnt that much better than Splitter or Marvin Williams and Martynas will almost certainly be better. Packaging all of our picks for him would be silly. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">But McGrady is in the same league as Kobe and some even consider him better. McGrady is a very good baller and a 2 time scoring champ. Swingmen are everywhere, but not swingmen turning out to be like McGrady. We can get a more than solid big man in the draft with S.A.'s pick or we can package them together with our second rounder and maybe get a 24th pick in the dratf and pick up a sleeper. If we add to our salary in a sign-and-trade to a good young player , I wouldn't mind that. If we can use them in the draft I definitely wouldn't mind!</div> We dont need Green! We need a good big man. It's not about who's more talented or who will be a better player we need a good big man out of necessity. There just arent alot of quality big men in the league we cant pass up on a chance to grab one. We have a much better chance of finding a good swingman further down the draft than finding a good big man. Mikael Gelabale for example. And adding salary is just a bad idea anyway you look at it even if we do get a solid big man. If we keep adding salary we're going to have serious issues when we have to resign Sweetney and Ariza and whoever we draft.
No Way!! <div class="quote_poster">Quoting tribute:</div><div class="quote_post">Bogut is getting overrated. He isnt that much better than Splitter or Marvin Williams and Martynas will almost certainly be better. Packaging all of our picks for him would be silly.</div> Bogut is certainly not overrated. He was the best player is college hoops this year and Martynas can only hope to be as good as him. He is much better than splitter and Marvin Williams is a SF not a C so he doesnt even apply to the situation of us needing a Center.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">Bogut is certainly not overrated. He was the best player is college hoops this year and Martynas can only hope to be as good as him. He is much better than splitter and Marvin Williams is a SF not a C so he doesnt even apply to the situation of us needing a Center.</div> Bogut was the best player in college basketball...so what? Splitter and Martynas play against full grown men. They play against the best players the world has to offer outside of the NBA and that includes college basketball. Splitter is a much better defender than Bogut in every aspect of defense, at the very least as good of a rebounder maybe even potentially better and he does most of his damage in the paint whereas Bogut likes to stray out on the perimeter. Bogut is more versatile than Splitter but that doesnt make him alot better than Splitter. As for Martynas...he has the most potential out of everyone in the draft. The kid is probably going to be the only dominant center in the league besides Yao in a few years. Better rebounder, better defender, better post up game, nearly as good at passing. Martynas if he continues to play and learn and develop under Sabonis will undoubtedly be better than Bogut without question. With that being said, I still want Bogut but giving up all of our picks for him in a deep draft like this? Bad idea.
This sites mock draft has us taking high-risk, high-reward Taft? What do you guys think? Take a chance?
