San Antonio Spurs @ GS Warriors - April 10th, 2005 6:00 PM (PST)

nice job Fish, get burnt for the game-winning layup on one end and turnover on the other to seal it. Not his fault though, no way in hell he shoulda played that much or even in the end. The only one who can stop Pietrus on offense is proving to be Monty.

 

We lost by only one basket. If the Spurs had Manu and Duncan we'd be toast anyway.

Murphy couldn't defend that last play when Foyle fouled out, Dunleavy, Fisher, Baron Davis and anybody who took turns on Tony Parker couldn't stop him. Then we'd totally sucked on free throws which could have kept us in the lead. It's those free throws we should have made.

 

I agree Custodians especially in the first OT.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jzblaze:</div><div class="quote_post">nice job Fish, get burnt for the game-winning layup on one end and turnover on the other to seal it. Not his fault though, no way in hell he shoulda played that much or even in the end. The only one who can stop Pietrus on offense is proving to be Monty.</div> You must be forgetting the reason why he got pulled aside in the first place and why Baron was pulling him aside to talk to him then.

I actually did want to risk Pietrus though. He's energy and he's got fresh legs.

 

Can't win em all can we? On the bright side, Baron Davis was probably only 70%, while Tony Parker was playing his hearts out just to beat Baron. We lost on some lame calls as well. It seemed like the balls always went off the Spurs but they always retain possession. Oh wells, a loss is a loss. Hopefully tomorrow we bounce back and do some damage to the Nuggets.

 

Well, every good thing ends sooner or later, although I was hoping that we would lose against Denver. Absolutely nice game by Parker, who carried Duncan, Manu and Rasho-less Spurs, and Davis matched Parker everytime. The loss is disappointing, but 8 straight victory is not. Hope we can start it again very soon...

 

And this is why I hope for the sake of this team we improve our defensive game in every facet including our help defense inside. We absolutely cannot guard anybody going to hoop and putting Fisher or Dunleavy on Parker hoping for switches was kind of risky. Good effort though.

Gotta give props to the Spurs who were playing us off a back to back game where they went into a double overtime the night before.

 

[quote name='custodianrules2']You must be forgetting the reason why he got pulled aside in the first place and why Baron was pulling him aside to talk to him then.

umm okay one mistake how about the ones Fisher made? Fouling Horry while shooting a j, repeatedly gettin burnt by Parker, and throwin the ball away to end the game. Yes it would have been smarter to "risk" Pietrus a guy who only shot 4-6 in the 1st half and got to the line 3 times. For the whole 4th and 2 OT's? You're gonna have a hard time defending Monty this time. At least put him in the 2nd overtime when everyone is tired and Baron is limping around, who is another guy who shouldn't have played as much as he did. Why sacrifice him, it's so much easier to get injured when you're tired. I dont know this game once again proved to me Monty can sometimes be clueless. He lost the game by sticking with Fisher and jeopardized Baron's health. All in one game.

 

Wow. 136 to 134. I thought we would win forever Wish we had played Pietrus more; he would have been great in double OT. I still can't get the reason why Biedrins and Pietrus didn't play more, this would be the ideal night for Biedrins to have a big night and Pietrus would have had a hand on Parker. I still don't understand why the Fish plays all most of the OTs

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. 136 to 134. I thought we would win forever Wish we had played Pietrus more; he would have been great in double OT. I still can't get the reason why Biedrins and Pietrus didn't play more, this would be the ideal night for Biedrins to have a big night and Pietrus would have had a hand on Parker. I still don't understand why the Fish plays all most of the OTs </div>

I think Biedrins was getting burned inside again, Pietrus also got burned on a play before they put Fisher back in on Parker. This is when we wish we still had Speedy Claxton. Heh, no way in hell Parker can get to the rim that easily.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jzblaze:</div><div class="quote_post">[quote name='custodianrules2']You must be forgetting the reason why he got pulled aside in the first place and why Baron was pulling him aside to talk to him then.

umm okay one mistake how about the ones Fisher made? Fouling Horry while shooting a j, repeatedly gettin burnt by Parker, and throwin the ball away to end the game. Yes it would have been smarter to "risk" Pietrus a guy who only shot 4-6 in the 1st half and got to the line 3 times. For the whole 4th and 2 OT's? You're gonna have a hard time defending Monty this time. At least put him in the 2nd overtime when everyone is tired and Baron is limping around, who is another guy who shouldn't have played as much as he did. Why sacrifice him, it's so much easier to get injured when you're tired. I dont know this game once again proved to me Monty can sometimes be clueless. He lost the game by sticking with Fisher and jeopardized Baron's health. All in one game.</div>
Fouling Horry should not have been continuation. That's both on the refs and Fisher for diving into him. Other than that, Fisher has been where his teammates expect him to be running motion offense. Now I absolutely dread Fisher and probably would have gone for Pietrus. But there's a big reason why all three of those coaches on the sideline and Baron get frustrated with Piet sometimes. I think you're looking to play the blame game here because your favorite player Mickael Pietrus wasn't in the game. When something doesn't go right for one game, it's all Monty's fault or it's Fisher's fault and the fact Pietrus wasn't in so it's the coach's fault. I just don't see the logic in getting bent out of shape and saying the Coach/Fisher lost it for us or because Pietrus would have done it better. The only real mistakes we've had were that we couldn't rebound for the love of George and we kept missing free throws and open J's. Defense is something we were never really hot at, but we were making some stops, but not capitalizing on it. I'm backing Monty up because we didn't have anybody to match Parker's quickness, not one player. Baron chose to play through injury, so it's his choice not Monty's. Fisher is not that type of defensive player, Dunleavy certainly isn't, Pietrus can't keep up with Parker as shown in past games where he just gets beat. Parker is that quick, that's why he's considered one of the rising elite guards in the NBA. Plus, we really have nobody to protect the rim and provide that intimidation once Foyle is out of the game or when Dunleavy is at power forward. The hope is that having Fisher in the game would give us an extra passer and a 3 point shooter that is money and having Dunleavy in the game would give us a more consistent outside threat than Murphy and be able to push the ball up and initiate a fastbreak.
It was definitely a gamble, but Fisher has proven he wasn't going to be a dummy and jack up ill advised 3's. He was actually driving the ball and looking for people.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Pietrus would have had a hand on Parker. I still don't understand why the Fish plays all most of the OTs </div>
No he wouldn't. Watch the game clips of him playing Parker straight up. Nobody can contain him on our team.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Fouling Horry should not have been continuation. That's both on the refs and Fisher for diving into him. Other than that, Fisher has been where his teammates expect him to be running motion offense. Now I absolutely dread Fisher and probably would have gone for Pietrus. But there's a big reason why all three of those coaches on the sideline and Baron get frustrated with Piet sometimes. I think you're looking to play the blame game here because your favorite player Mickael Pietrus wasn't in the game. When something doesn't go right for one game, it's all Monty's fault or it's Fisher's fault and the fact Pietrus wasn't in so it's the coach's fault. I just don't see the logic in getting bent out of shape and saying the Coach/Fisher lost it for us or because Pietrus would have done it better. The only real mistakes we've had were that we couldn't rebound for the love of George and we kept missing free throws and open J's. Defense is something we were never really hot at, but we were making some stops, but not capitalizing on it. I'm backing Monty up because we didn't have anybody to match Parker's quickness, not one player. Baron chose to play through injury, so it's his choice not Monty's. Fisher is not that type of defensive player, Dunleavy certainly isn't, Pietrus can't keep up with Parker as shown in past games where he just gets beat. Parker is that quick, that's why he's considered one of the rising elite guards in the NBA. Plus, we really have nobody to protect the rim and provide that intimidation once Foyle is out of the game or when Dunleavy is at power forward. The hope is that having Fisher in the game would give us an extra passer and a 3 point shooter that is money and having Dunleavy in the game would give us a more consistent outside threat than Murphy and be able to push the ball up and initiate a fastbreak.
It was definitely a gamble, but Fisher has proven he wasn't going to be a dummy and jack up ill advised 3's. He was actually driving the ball and looking for people.</div>


sorry your reply was too long. At least put him in the 2nd OT when everyone was tired and Baron was limping. Even at that level Monty messed up. It would be better if you just acknowledge and move on instead of defend. They just had a 2OT game.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting openglfx:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Biedrins was getting burned inside again, Pietrus also got burned on a play before they put Fisher back in on Parker. This is when we wish we still had Speedy Claxton. Heh, no way in hell Parker can get to the rim that easily.</div>

Yeah, today was the game I missed not having Speedy. For Monty's credit, Pietrus was his first choice to guard Parker, although he pulled Pietrus out so fast. And, I hope that Monty will do something other than leaving Parker play 1v1 at the end, especially when he burnt us number of times.

In a sense, this loss isn't a completele waste, because this game should let some of hot airs out. We can see that while this team can beat the best team in NBA at their home, we are also capable of losing to Duncan, Manu, Rasho-less team, who just played the game yesterday, at home. I think we are starting to grow the idea that this team will just roll through next year without making any change, when we could use an athlathic PF/C, who can defend and block along with Foyle even during the winning streak. Brace yourself, because this team is still very young and we will go through ups and downs next year...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jzblaze:</div><div class="quote_post">sorry your reply was too long. At least put him in the 2nd OT when everyone was tired and Baron was limping. Even at that level Monty messed up. It would be better if you just acknowledge and move on instead of defend. They just had a 2OT game.</div> Well at least give some respect to understand where the response is coming from and why Baron and Monty prefer somebody a little bit more team oriented (which Pietrus is making an effort to do but doesn't understand quite yet how to do it, he needs more time).

I never disagreed that Pietrus would be a sound idea to put in the game as he is known to provide that burst of energy and mismatch at the 2 guard (Richardson was sagging tonight), but to say it was Monty, Fisher, and all these other guy's fault is just the wrong way to communicate frustration that your fave player didn't get to see those OT minutes. Having fresher legs would have benefitted us some since the Spurs played double OT the night before. But you got to praise the Spurs. They are way underrated without Duncan and Manu and Rasho.

No offense, but I mean you sound like Jim Barnett only with a crush for Pietrus rather than respect for the team game and at least trying to get on the same page. When the warriors are on the same page and they're clicking, they are scoring on almost every single posession no matter how good the defense is so long as there is a matchup in our favor to exploit or a play the other team doesn't react well to. Tonight, the Spurs were that team against us and they kept finding Fisher or Dunleavy or anybody slower than him to punish us inside. Without Foyle inside, Murphy or Dunleavy can't defend worth jack unless they get lucky.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, today was the game I missed not having Speedy. For Monty's credit, Pietrus was his first choice to guard Parker, although he pulled Pietrus out so fast. And, I hope that Monty will do something other than leaving Parker play 1v1 at the end, especially when he burnt us number of times.

In a sense, this loss isn't a completele waste, because this game should let some of hot airs out. We can see that while this team can beat the best team in NBA at their home, we are also capable of losing to Duncan, Manu, Rasho-less team, who just played the game yesterday, at home. I think we are starting to grow the idea that this team will just roll through next year without making any change, when we could use an athlathic PF/C, who can defend and block along with Foyle even during the winning streak. Brace yourself, because this team is still very young and we will go through ups and downs next year...</div>
Pietrus definitely would have been something even if he couldn't fully contain Parker. He's the best thing we have, to guard whoever is quicker than Baron. That's kind of sad

I respect Monty and support him and I could see what he was trying to do, but it was risky one way or another.

 

I can't blame Monty too much either. After all, hindsight is 20/20 and if Dunleavy hit the shot at the end of first OT, we probably wouldn't even have this discussion. And, I didn't see any sign that Pietrus would actually guard better than Fisher either. Still, I would like to put some double team against Parker at the end, especially when we didn't have Foyle to defend the basket. Anyway, you can't just praise Davis for winning streak while blaming Monty for this loss. After all, this should have been a 30 pts blow out game considering the situation...

 

Well at least the dubs know the starting 5 defense needs to be better. Plus we need Jrich to step up and not fade away in those 4th quarters.

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<font face="Arial"><font size="2">Mike Montgomery</font></font>
On the loss:
I thought we really should have won. I have to give a lot of credit to San Antonio coming off back-to-back double overtime games. That?s why they?ve won championships and why they win games. They have a good group of guys who know how to compete." "I think from the standpoint of a basketball game it was fun to watch. I wish we could have guarded Parker better though."

"I didn?t think we were as into it as we have been in some games. We have to learn to defend better and finish a game off like this."


<font face="Arial"><font size="2">Mike Dunleavy</font></font>
On the last few plays the game:
"We weren?t able to get a good shot off and obviously they came out on top." On Baron:
"He played well. He put them on their heels and unfortunately, we didn?t play well enough on the defensive end to win."

On dependency on the bench in tomorrow?s game:
"We always need a strong effort from the bench and they?ve been playing really well lately. Hopefully everybody will contribute on the line down."

On Tony Parker:
"He?s quick and he got to the paint pretty easily. He keeps coming at you. We couldn?t stop him enough."


<font face="Arial"><font size="2">Mickeal Pietrus</font></font>
On play during overtime:
"We had two great opportunities and Baron couldn?t convert one and we didn?t make the second one, but we had a great game and we?re proud of it. It?s just a game and we had a good time and it wasn?t good for the fans, but we have to think about tomorrow." On whether they?re ready for tomorrow?s game:
"I think I am ready, but I don?t know about the guys who play like 50 minutes. The bench has to step up tomorrow, and I am going to try to bring the energy and put the team on another level."


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Mullin put Monty in a situation with no variation in terms of players. Almost everyone stays on the perineter. Mullin's gotta get this guy some defense + big men to work with.

I hope Monty keeps the run & gun but implements an actual offensive gameplan instead of just hucking shots and let Baron do all the work in the half court set.

 

I think the toughest thing for Baron is getting acclimated to his teammates and trying to work without a system. He just got here recently and doesn't even know the value Monty could have as a coach. A guy who knows basketball like Monty can run any style once the players buy into it and they start playing it and practicing it. Pistons are prime example of a team with seemingly very limited offensive options, but they execute so well. There's been some beautiful plays every now and then that were straight up Monty and we as fans dont' even know it. Also the thing I like about Monty is he's going to let the players play to their strengths, he's a pragmatist. I think he and Baron will get along fine and Bdiddy will endorse him as good balance between being a demanding dictator and a guy that will let him do his thang. You won't hear our star players wanting out or butting heads like our past coaches. We'll be fine. We're not getting blown out and defense is always something that is left to be desired for our team. Like upsidedown mentioned we're going to need a big man inside, an offseason to get our execution down to a T, and our team defense needs some work. That way Baron isn't just left trying to work alone at times and yelling at guys for giving away baskets.