Does any other warrior fans think the warriors should trade up to draft Bogut number one? In my opinion he is what we need, he can shoot, defend, block shots, rebound, and he is a pretty big defensive prescence.
Who would the W's be willing to part with? Murph plus Zarko or what? I think that they should just draft smartly and keep their core in place. However maybe throwing 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder might get it done
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bballer768484:</div><div class="quote_post">Does any other warrior fans think the warriors should trade up to draft Bogut number one? In my opinion he is what we need, he can shoot, defend, block shots, rebound, and he is a pretty big defensive prescence.</div> Well, that's depends on what we have to give up to get him. Do I think he will solve what we lacks? I don't think so. He will be the answer for some aspects we need, such as post up games, but I don't think he will be a dominating defensive big man, which we need the most. If we can get him for cheap, yeah sure why not? But, it probably will cost awful a lot to get #1 pick, and if that's the case, I will skip...
Well, it took Anfernee Hardaway (the #3) and three future first round picks for Chris Webber at #1. That's 4 draft picks. While none of the players impress as much, it will probably take a lot, as Kwan noted, and I don't think it'd be worth it anyhow. Thus, unless the ping pong balls give us our 25 in 1000 chance or whatever we land at, we're not going to get up to #1.
Well Bogut is compared to a Brad Miller or Vlade Divac. These are glue players. If we have the option to take him because we somehow by miracle wind up #1 overall, I'd say grab him. Post game is important. I'm actually sold more on Tiago Splitter because he could be a second Biedrins but way better offensive game and decent defensively.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Well Bogut is compared to a Brad Miller or Vlade Divac. These are glue players. If we have the option to take him because we somehow by miracle wind up #1 overall, I'd say grab him. Post game is important. I'm actually sold more on Tiago Splitter because he could be a second Biedrins but way better offensive game and decent defensively.</div> Custodian, How many games have you seen of Tiago Splitter or Bogut? I have only seen a few of Bogut, but none of Splitter. You know how I get. How can you have an opinion of somebody when you have never seen them play or have watched them in limited minutes?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, it took Anfernee Hardaway (the #3) and three future first round picks for Chris Webber at #1. That's 4 draft picks. While none of the players impress as much, it will probably take a lot, as Kwan noted, and I don't think it'd be worth it anyhow. Thus, unless the ping pong balls give us our 25 in 1000 chance or whatever we land at, we're not going to get up to #1.</div> That was crazy wasn't it. The talent is not as good this year as that year. No way do we give up 4 #1s to move up to #1 even from the 11th spot this year...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Custodian, How many games have you seen of Tiago Splitter or Bogut? I have only seen a few of Bogut, but none of Splitter. You know how I get. How can you have an opinion of somebody when you have never seen them play or have watched them in limited minutes?</div> We've only been on this board for about two seasons to talk drafts. Remember last draft you didn't see Dwight Howard or Andris Biedrins play, but now you could just see how much potential they pack in their games to be excited over them. Emeka Okafor was already solid, strong, athletic and was projected as #1 overall, but I just feel Bogut doesn't even have as much impact as him. He's not a good post defender yet, he's not a greatshotblocker yet, he lacks lateral quickness. Sounds like Murphy inside. Not everybody is sold on Bogut that he will be a defensive presence or scoring monster inside that we'll need. The consensus say that he won't be as good as Tim Duncan, but he'll be more like Vlade Divac or a Brad Miller (without post defense). I like the fact Bogut could be a great unselfish, passing big man that Monty would definitely enjoy, but if it helps to unload some stupid contracts so we can re-sign guys like Pietrus and Zarko and those guys I think it's worth trading down for someone riskier and has scarier potential. That's why I said Splitter, because it's said he can run up and down the court, is athletic, can also finish with either hand like Bogut and has a high basketball IQ. Splitter's biggest weakness is he lacks an outside game and intermediate game, but he's shot three balls before and has the touch, proper shooting mechanics to extend his range. He almost sounds better than Pau Gasol, because of the way they describe him being active on defense, taking contact, and being able to score in a variety of ways using strength or quickness. P.S: Splitter has had more international experience than any of the current Brazillians in the NBA and he's younger.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">We've only been on this board for about two seasons to talk drafts. Remember last draft you didn't see Dwight Howard or Andris Biedrins play, but now you could just see how much potential they pack in their games to be excited over them. Emeka Okafor was already solid, strong, athletic and was projected as #1 overall, but I just feel Bogut doesn't even have as much impact as him. He's not a good post defender yet, he's not a greatshotblocker yet, he lacks lateral quickness. Sounds like Murphy inside. Not everybody is sold on Bogut that he will be a defensive presence or scoring monster inside that we'll need. The consensus say that he won't be as good as Tim Duncan, but he'll be more like Vlade Divac or a Brad Miller (without post defense). I like the fact Bogut could be a great unselfish, passing big man that Monty would definitely enjoy, but if it helps to unload some stupid contracts so we can re-sign guys like Pietrus and Zarko and those guys I think it's worth trading down for someone riskier and has scarier potential. That's why I said Splitter, because it's said he can run up and down the court, is athletic, can also finish with either hand like Bogut and has a high basketball IQ. Splitter's biggest weakness is he lacks an outside game and intermediate game, but he's shot three balls before and has the touch, proper shooting mechanics to extend his range. He almost sounds better than Pau Gasol, because of the way they describe him being active on defense, taking contact, and being able to score in a variety of ways using strength or quickness. P.S: Splitter has had more international experience than any of the current Brazillians in the NBA and he's younger.</div> My point is that you rave about these Euros who almost nobody has seen play. We are talking about them like we have scouted them and really all we are doing is regurgitating what we read on draftcity or nbadraft.net like we have seen the guy play. You know I hate that. You have known me for these last few years and I say it every year. This goes to everyone, not just you. Dont talk about a guy like you know him and have seen him play unless you have. I admit, I got excited when I read about the whole Biedrens workout on ESPN insider and when we drafted him I was happy. I was disappointed we did not get Iguadala who Philly drafted, but with that hype and detailed of a workout it made me optimistic about his potential. Now I just wish the guy could start...
The deal with Bogut is solid,if not flashy D,good agility,A real solid scorer---and he ourebounded C Taft almost 2 to 1. With some saying Taft is the next-best C,that's what makes Bogut a big deal. Biedrens was an interesting Euro because he was so much tougher in the paint. Shika is more typical,tall,but perimeter without a power game. I also fear picking a guy I NEVER saw. I have,you know,advocated a number of US college players who I have seen,who have meaningful stats which say a lot,who display a solid game,the desire and work ethic to go furthur. Fly me to France,I'll give an opinion on Splitter,Petro,etc. Draft Day we may find out Mullin flew somewhere and saw a guy with game. A few years ago there were still high upside Euros with enough resume you could estimate their upside. Since then the pool has become younger,rawer,more of a shot in the dark. Splitter at least PLAYS. Some of the younger kids sport a scoring avg of 5ppg--yet get hyped as freaky good....duh? I did get a look at G Green,and I regret not seeing more-but he has more can't-stop-this skills than Rudy Gay or Marvin Williams. What I saw was Green has some superstar stuff. I'd take a gamble on him,no problem. Green can be a dissapointment or an all-star based on what I got to see. I have yet to see OJ Mayo,I do know he scored 29 a game this year,about 9 rbd,8 asst,this year,as a HS soph. Last year he averaged 30. the year before,20...as an 8th grader playing HS varsity ball. I feel pretty sure his potential is real. What about Martynas A,the Lithuanian? He's a slim 7-3 and---------well the rest is a blank. His stats? Pretty weak. Have I seen him play? Not really,I saw a very short clip. Based on that maybe he's round 2. I guess someone saw a reason to rank him high,but what? I suspect a few NBA teams are chumming. They contribute rumors,exagerrations,in hopes other fish bite,take a marginal guy too high,pass on the good player. The hype then gets passed about until it's assumed some dude has top 10 talent. Want a big man? Spend a #2 on Sun Ming Ming and see if he develops. Spend the lottery pick on a sure thing,a bird in the hand
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">My point is that you rave about these Euros who almost nobody has seen play. We are talking about them like we have scouted them and really all we are doing is regurgitating what we read on draftcity or nbadraft.net like we have seen the guy play. You know I hate that. You have known me for these last few years and I say it every year. This goes to everyone, not just you. Dont talk about a guy like you know him and have seen him play unless you have. I admit, I got excited when I read about the whole Biedrens workout on ESPN insider and when we drafted him I was happy. I was disappointed we did not get Iguadala who Philly drafted, but with that hype and detailed of a workout it made me optimistic about his potential. Now I just wish the guy could start...</div> But I have seen him play, well glimpses. But majority is based off what scouts agree upon and the reason we don't see more of him is because he plays professionally outside the states. It's hard to get film clips of him as readily as we do college players. Also I see what you're saying about picking somebody that was showing flashes of being a star in college, but if we picked Iguodala, what would we do with him? He's not really a big scorer and we had already drafted Pietrus and Jason Richardson + Mike Dunleavy. We'd have a bottleneck of 6'6 guards. If we had the #1 overall pick it undoubtedly have to be somebody big like Emeka Okafor or Dwight Howard. Here's the clip of Tiago by the way. http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=21920 I have some more but they're really huge files. Essentially he's like a cross between Pau Gasol + Andris Biedrins activity around the basket. He's got a good shot to develop a solid midrange and perimeter game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">The deal with Bogut is solid,if not flashy D,good agility,A real solid scorer---and he ourebounded C Taft almost 2 to 1. With some saying Taft is the next-best C,that's what makes Bogut a big deal. Biedrens was an interesting Euro because he was so much tougher in the paint. Shika is more typical,tall,but perimeter without a power game. I also fear picking a guy I NEVER saw. I have,you know,advocated a number of US college players who I have seen,who have meaningful stats which say a lot,who display a solid game,the desire and work ethic to go furthur. Fly me to France,I'll give an opinion on Splitter,Petro,etc. Draft Day we may find out Mullin flew somewhere and saw a guy with game. A few years ago there were still high upside Euros with enough resume you could estimate their upside. Since then the pool has become younger,rawer,more of a shot in the dark. Splitter at least PLAYS. Some of the younger kids sport a scoring avg of 5ppg--yet get hyped as freaky good....duh? I did get a look at G Green,and I regret not seeing more-but he has more can't-stop-this skills than Rudy Gay or Marvin Williams. What I saw was Green has some superstar stuff. I'd take a gamble on him,no problem. Green can be a dissapointment or an all-star based on what I got to see. I have yet to see OJ Mayo,I do know he scored 29 a game this year,about 9 rbd,8 asst,this year,as a HS soph. Last year he averaged 30. the year before,20...as an 8th grader playing HS varsity ball. I feel pretty sure his potential is real. What about Martynas A,the Lithuanian? He's a slim 7-3 and---------well the rest is a blank. His stats? Pretty weak. Have I seen him play? Not really,I saw a very short clip. Based on that maybe he's round 2. I guess someone saw a reason to rank him high,but what? I suspect a few NBA teams are chumming. They contribute rumors,exagerrations,in hopes other fish bite,take a marginal guy too high,pass on the good player. The hype then gets passed about until it's assumed some dude has top 10 talent. Want a big man? Spend a #2 on Sun Ming Ming and see if he develops. Spend the lottery pick on a sure thing,a bird in the hand</div> That's great, but if we can erase some bad contracts so we can re-sign our young guys, that's even better. I just think with a guy like Bogut he'll be solid, but he won't fill a stat sheet, could struggle against quicker players at power forward or center and can only stand the pace of the halfcourt set. The W's scouts have to guage whether he's solid enough to change the team chemistry and build the offense around to be a future starter. It's hard because it could shift from the main focus the franchise has on Jrich and Baron Davis to go out and run. That's all I'm saying. Anyway, it's probably not worth dicussing since we won't get Bogut anyway unless it's by some strange luck. I'd just prefer if we could wind up with a Tiago Splitter, who can run, is very active like Biedrins around the basket, and we get rid of Fisher and draft a backup point like Aaron Miles or if we want combo guard scoring we go with Salim Stoudamire. If you've seen Fisher's contract, it's by no means pretty if he is supposed to be a future backup and getting 6 mils a year with no option on the last year. He's here till 2010. Which will suck in the future. If we get Gerald Green and he's a T-mac like shooting guard that can play small forward eventually, that's also great. If we get some solid diversity around small forward or power forward, we could probably tackle any lineup.
I found some more clips, but they're not the other ones I have. Obviously these are highlight clips so he's going to look awesome in these. http://acb.com/menu.php?id=83 Just search for "Splitter" We're talking another guy that can finish alley oops, block shots, and just run basically. Of course if we actually had the #1 overall, you'd want to take Bogut as the safe pick since he's got the inside game, rebounding, and passing skills. I just think the high fliers that have an inside game is what we need more. Imagine having having a 7 foot Kmart type center in Andris Biedrins and a Pau Gasol like power forward running around on the floor together. It'd be a good chance to find another player with some touch around the basket that can extend his range further out and use speed to go with that strength and size. I hope Mully gives him an opportunity to at least work him out. I guess I steered this topic way off course. I guess I should say that we shouldn't trade up just to land Andrew Bogut because I'm sure we'll have to give up a lot just to land him. Now if he was Tim Duncan or Shaq, I'd do it. I'm just not sold that he's a Tim Duncan type player. I agree with the scouts that he looks like Vlade Divac and Brad Miller.
Bogut would be a great addition for the Warriors. they need a good Big Man that can defend, rebound and is versitale. IMO, the only thing the Warriors are missing is a quality post player. I'm like CustodianRules2 I'm not completly convinced that Bogut can be a success like Duncan in the leauge. He will be a great role player that will do the dirty work but he won't be a star. No team is going to trade down in the draft so i don't think that there is any chance the Warriors will draft him. He would be a great addition though.
Duncan had folks excited well before he was drafted,would have been our pick,not Joe Smith had he entered earlier. Bogut is quite a talent,while there's similarity to b Miller or a younger Divac,Bogut's rebounding is much better-there he can compare to Duncan. Bogut's D is better than Divac-Miller,not near Duncan. Bogut is still developing,and yet is much more technically polished than many NBA veteran centers. I see slim chances of a mutually attractive trade-up. If Charlotte got lottery lucky,maybe. We have Dunleavy and White who played in NC in college. They could see our pick as about right for R Felton,3 N Carolina guys could seem a good move. I'm not sure that's enough,and I don't know how much I'd add. If its the Hawks,Hornets,Utah,I doubt we'd have the bait,short of future #1's,and,I'd need to think about that. Since I've several times indicated a few guys I see as steals at about our probable slot,,I'd look more to add a pick or two in rd 1. But Bogut is the only C I see as a quality starter,and there is no Duncan going to be there next year
