^ Yea, Atlanta definately wouldn't do it. The 2nd pick is worth a lot more than the 7th and 16th, quantity does not always go over quality. At #2 you're getting either Marvin Williams or Chris Paul, at #7, you're likely getting one of the centers, and at #16, a mediocre player. Their's very little superstar potential at those 2 draft positions, while their's a lot at #2.
superstar potential can be found all over the draft board. Amare, Dirk, Wade, Carter, Pierce, Jermain O'neal....all not in the top 3 picks. That said, sure its easier to get it right with the 2nd pick, but in a draft such as this i dont think its a big deal. Bogut is Bogut...i wont argue his credentials. But i really dont see a tremendous difference between Paul and Deron/Felton.....i dont think you can prove to me that any one is THAT much better than the rest. Paul has his pluses and he has his negetives (size being one) Marvin Williams...not a great player yet, has potential, but alot of people have potential. Would you be willing to bet me $100 that he will be better than Green, Ellis, Webster or Anrika-who-zits that tall white kid...lol...??? I wouldnt, because they all have alot of potential. If i had Marvin and someone offered me Webster/Green + Granger/Graham/Jack....i'd take the duo. That said, i dont think Atlanta will do it, and i dont think the Raptors should. I've been thinking alot about what if the Raps drafted Granger AND Wright (trade up from 16 if necessar). That would be a wicked future 2,3,4 in Wright, Granger, Bosh. Draft Ewing in the 2nd, bring back Cook, look into jay Willaims, trade Alston for a cheap backup big...we're set.
Ideally I would LOVE if we could get Granger and Wright. I see those guys being great for the Raps.....just thought I'd toss that out there and see what ppl thought about it. Doesn't mean that's what I'd want. I don't think Babcock has the skills to pull off a trade to move up and grab Wright though. *sigh* I wish he did cuz that would be a major upgrade for the Raps.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jones:</div><div class="quote_post">Ideally I would LOVE if we could get Granger and Wright. I see those guys being great for the Raps.....just thought I'd toss that out there and see what ppl thought about it. Doesn't mean that's what I'd want. I don't think Babcock has the skills to pull off a trade to move up and grab Wright though. *sigh* I wish he did cuz that would be a major upgrade for the Raps.</div> We CAN get both Granger and Wright without trading up, use 7th to grab Granger and use the 16th to grab Wright. If Jack is off the board for our 16th pick, then Wright would be a strong possibility along with Ukic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">superstar potential can be found all over the draft board. Amare, Dirk, Wade, Carter, Pierce, Jermain O'neal....all not in the top 3 picks. That said, sure its easier to get it right with the 2nd pick, but in a draft such as this i dont think its a big deal. Bogut is Bogut...i wont argue his credentials. But i really dont see a tremendous difference between Paul and Deron/Felton.....i dont think you can prove to me that any one is THAT much better than the rest. Paul has his pluses and he has his negetives (size being one) Marvin Williams...not a great player yet, has potential, but alot of people have potential. Would you be willing to bet me $100 that he will be better than Green, Ellis, Webster or Anrika-who-zits that tall white kid...lol...??? I wouldnt, because they all have alot of potential. If i had Marvin and someone offered me Webster/Green + Granger/Graham/Jack....i'd take the duo. That said, i dont think Atlanta will do it, and i dont think the Raptors should. I've been thinking alot about what if the Raps drafted Granger AND Wright (trade up from 16 if necessar). That would be a wicked future 2,3,4 in Wright, Granger, Bosh. Draft Ewing in the 2nd, bring back Cook, look into jay Willaims, trade Alston for a cheap backup big...we're set.</div> I'm talking percentage wise, obviously you can get good players in later positions in deeper drafts, look at guys like JR Smith and Josh Smith who have possibly All-Star potential and were late teen picks. I'm just saying the possiblity is not as high, and Atlanta doesn't need that, they have some good young players, they just need to add good talent and continue to develop. They're also players in the FA market for the young guys who just want money and PT [Kwame, Stromile etc]
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">superstar potential can be found all over the draft board. Amare, Dirk, Wade, Carter, Pierce, Jermain O'neal....all not in the top 3 picks. That said, sure its easier to get it right with the 2nd pick, but in a draft such as this i dont think its a big deal. Bogut is Bogut...i wont argue his credentials. But i really dont see a tremendous difference between Paul and Deron/Felton.....i dont think you can prove to me that any one is THAT much better than the rest. Paul has his pluses and he has his negetives (size being one) Marvin Williams...not a great player yet, has potential, but alot of people have potential. Would you be willing to bet me $100 that he will be better than Green, Ellis, Webster or Anrika-who-zits that tall white kid...lol...??? I wouldnt, because they all have alot of potential. If i had Marvin and someone offered me Webster/Green + Granger/Graham/Jack....i'd take the duo. That said, i dont think Atlanta will do it, and i dont think the Raptors should. I've been thinking alot about what if the Raps drafted Granger AND Wright (trade up from 16 if necessar). That would be a wicked future 2,3,4 in Wright, Granger, Bosh. Draft Ewing in the 2nd, bring back Cook, look into jay Willaims, trade Alston for a cheap backup big...we're set.</div> I'm talking percentage wise, obviously you can get good players in later positions in deeper drafts, look at guys like JR Smith and Josh Smith who have possibly All-Star potential and were late teen picks. I'm just saying the possiblity is not as high, and Atlanta doesn't need that, they have some good young players, they just need to add good talent and continue to develop. They're also players in the FA market for the young guys who just want money and PT [Kwame, Stromile etc] Wade and Carter shouldn't be in there, they were both Top 5 picks
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">We CAN get both Granger and Wright without trading up, use 7th to grab Granger and use the 16th to grab Wright. If Jack is off the board for our 16th pick, then Wright would be a strong possibility along with Ukic.</div> Version 5 has Wright going to the Clips with the #12 pick saying that they have promised to pick him. Guess we can just cross our fingers that he falls for some reason....maybe Babcock should start a rumour that he is lazy. (joking)
Has anyone thought of the possibility of choosing Wright as our 7th pick? It seems like a stretch now but if you consider the fact that he has more upside than Granger it could be quite the possibility. His workouts seem to be going really well and I would not be surprised to see him shoot up in draft status.
I still like Granger better than Wright,, but until I see them come out of the Chicago Camp I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Tough call, Granger is solid and has had his sh*t together for a longer time = consistancy, if I am not mistaken Wright has only had one good season soo maybe he is a little bit more of a risk. But I would say that at the same time Wright probably has a bit more upside than Granger, can shoot from deep consistantly, has an NBA ready body and could turn into something special. Wouldn't mind seeing the Raps pick up Wright at 7 as he can play the 2 or 3 spot. That and it would piss a lot of teams below us off (see Charlotte, Orlando, Cleaveland, etc) that really need help at the 2.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jones:</div><div class="quote_post">That and it would piss a lot of teams below us off (see Charlotte, Orlando, Cleaveland, etc) that really need help at the 2.</div> lol word. Wright does have the ability to play both the 2/3 positions whereas Granger only has the ability to play the 3. Granger could turn into someone that can play both the positions with some work though, as Mo-Pete has demonstrated last season when he made the transition from SF to a G/F. We'll just have to see how they do in the Chicago camp.
I mentioned Wright aswell... I'd be happy with our draft if we selected Wright or Granger with out 7th pick and with our other pick stole Jarett Jack... That would be a successful draft IMO... But it's too bad that Babcock hasn't worked out and doesn't have plans to workout Granger, Wright OR Jack... What a gm we have on our hands guys!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">I mentioned Wright aswell... I'd be happy with our draft if we selected Wright or Granger with out 7th pick and with our other pick stole Jarett Jack... That would be a successful draft IMO... But it's too bad that Babcock hasn't worked out and doesn't have plans to workout Granger, Wright OR Jack... What a gm we have on our hands guys!</div> Babcock is going to blow the draft...i can feel it. Like you said, he's not planning on working out any of those guys!!! I had a dream the Raps selected that lazy ass Charlie Villanueva with the 7th and then went and drafted Sean May with the 16th. We're done for i tellz ya.....DONE FOR!!! With that said i'm going to repeat what i said in the "pre draft workouts" thread. I'm betting(though i dont want it to happen) that Babcock is going to trade the 7th pick to denver, maybe including a future 2nd or the last of this years 2nd in exchange for denver's 20th and 22nd. Why? 1) Babcock is working out 20+ players and only 2 of them are slated as top 10, and both (felton, deron) should be gone by 7th anyways. 2) What need does a team as deep as Denver have for 2 picks? They're a SG away from being serious contenders and i dont think they can find what they're looking for at 20. Mccants is alright, but i think they have their heart set on Wright for his 3ball and his potential. 3) Babcock is crazy. I dont personally like the idea, but we'll have to see. If it does happen i wouldnt be surprised to see the Raps draft Ukic, Frye and Villanueva(not necessarily in that order). Who knows...i like the sounds of Ukic and Webster but i'm not sold on Villanueva's attitude, but boy does he have the talent.
What were you doing past 4:45 am civic? I kinda have a feeling that Babs will do something stupid. Probably draft Chris Taft or Tiago Splitter at 7 and expect them to start at Center. But ultimately, he'll probably draft Monta Ellis at 7. Anyways, he did say something on the lines of them selecting a player who will be the player (who obviously isn't picked already) who will be the best 3-4 years from now. That could be anyone...Martell Webster(Good Pick) to Villanueva (Bad Pick). Who knows, it could be worse.
