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  1. DP

    DP He shoots, he scores!

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>10. Marcellus Wiley, DE, Jaguars

    Age (when 2005 begins): 30

    When He Was Great: Wiley looked to be on the way to becoming one of the league's most fearsome pass-rushers during his fourth season (2000), when he started 15 games and registered 10.5 sacks as Buffalo Bill. After defecting to San Diego following that season, Wiley earned his money to the tune of 13 sacks in just 14 starts, but the Chargers went 5-11.

    Why He Must Go: Wiley, who made the Pro Bowl in 2001, has now let down two NFL franchises, and is working on a third. The Columbia graduate was chucked by the Chargers after registering just three sacks in 2003, and upon arriving in Dallas, under-performed to the tune of just three more sacks. Dallas released Wiley on March 22nd, whereby Jacksonville enlisted him to attempt to try and revive perhaps the NFL's weakest pass rush. But any return on that investment will mean Wiley must reverse the course of a career that looks to be slipping into oblivion.

    9. Ray Brown, G, Redskins

    Age: 43

    When He Was Great: Brown was always more of a reliable, lunch-pail type guy than a superstar, but he did make the 2001 Pro Bowl as a 49er, and played in the 1997 NFC Championship game with San Francisco as well. Since 1994, Brown has started 173 of a possible 176 regular season games, and two of the absences occurred last season with the Redskins.

    Why He Must Go: To put things in perspective, when Brown broke into the league in 1986 with the then-St. Louis Cardinals, one of the running backs he was blocking for was Ottis Anderson. Anderson hasn't suited up in 13 years, and yet here's Brown, still laboring in the trenches as the oldest offensive lineman in modern NFL history. He must be doing something right, since the Redskins re-signed him on March 30th, but if I'm Washington, and I'm looking at ways to overhaul the league's second-worst scoring offense of a year ago, I might at least glance in the direction of the guy who is the last remaining 1987 replacement player on an active roster.

    8. Doug Flutie, QB, Patriots

    Age: 42

    When He Was Great: Flutie's peak pro years were spent in Canada, where was the CFL MVP six times and won three Grey Cups while playing for the B.C. Lions, Calgary Stampeders, and Toronto Argonauts. But Flutie certainly wasn't bad when he returned to the NFL at the age of 35, making the Pro Bowl as a member of the Bills in 1998 and leading Buffalo to back-to-back postseason appearances (the franchise hasn't returned to the playoffs since he left). In 1998-99, Flutie accounted for 41 touchdowns and passed for over 5,800 yards.

    Why He Must Go: I'll never forget being eight years old, sitting by myself in the family living room on the day after Thanksgiving, and going crazy when Flutie completed that last-second Hail Mary to Gerard Phelan as Boston College beat Miami. I was eight, and on my next birthday I'll be 30, thus Doug Flutie should no longer be playing football. That he's a 5-10, 180-pound quarterback who has close to 7,000 rushing yards in his pro career (including the USFL and CFL) and still has all his limbs intact is something of a medical miracle. Let's not push the envelope any more, huh Doug?

    7. Hugh Douglas, DE, Eagles

    Age: 34

    When He Was Great: Douglas posted double-digit sack totals four times between 1995 and 2002, peaking with a 15-sack effort while with the Eagles in 2000. The pride of Central State University made three straight Pro Bowls between 2000 and 2002, all while with Philadelphia.

    Why He Must Go: After the 2002 season, in which he parlayed a 12-and-a-half sack performance into a big contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, Douglas has appeared more interested in the buffet line than the defensive line. The Jags cut him in training camp last year, and the Eagles picked him up at a bargain-basement rate, but returning to the city in which he made three Pro Bowls didn't do much for Douglas. Even away from Jacksonville and the temptation of the Hardees ThickBurger, Douglas had just three sacks and was scarcely heard from in the 2004 postseason. He's a good quote, and has a lot to say, so that TV career can begin now.

    6. Morten Andersen, K, Vikings

    Age: 45

    When He Was Great: Most of Andersen's best years came as a member of the Saints, between 1982 and 1994, when he made the Pro Bowl six times (including four straight between 1985 and 1988) and was generally automatic from 40 yards and in. After being released by the Saints and picked up by the Falcons in 1995, Andersen was an All-Pro yet again, banging home 31 field goals, including eight of nine from 50-plus, at the tender age of 35.

    Why He Must Go: The Vikings sent Andersen a clear message when they signed Paul Edinger on March 24th, but chances are someone is going to give the dynamo of Denmark a chance to play a 24th NFL season. Andersen is still accurate, having made 18 of 22 field goals a year ago, but he can't kick off any more and would need a tee to hit a 50-yarder at this stage. Since making 8 of 9 from 50-plus in 1995, the left-footer is 10-21 from that distance in the nine seasons since, and last connected on a 50-yarder while with the Chiefs in 2002. The good news for media minutiae-hunters is that if Andersen gets picked up by either the Giants or Colts, he will have been a teammate of either Eli or Peyton Manning as well as their dad, Archie.

    5. Ted Washington, DT, Raiders

    Age: 37

    When He Was Great: Washington was known as one of the most disruptive linemen in the game between 1997 and 2001, when he was voted to four Pro Bowls as a member of the Bills and Bears. After moving to New England in time for the 2003 season, Washington helped the Patriots win a Super Bowl ring.

    Why He Must Go: The Raiders signed Washington before last season to take up space, but instead found a player who was mostly a waste of space. Washington and Warren Sapp were supposed to rejuvenate the Silver and Black's horrible run-stopping unit, but the Raiders still managed to finish 22nd in the league against the rush and were never a factor in the playoff race. Then, this offseason came revelations that while with the 49ers from 1991 to 1993, Washington sexually harassed a male member of San Francisco's athletic training staff. Time for the big man to recede into the night.

    4. Mark Brunell, QB, Redskins

    Age: 34

    When He Was Great: Brunell was heralded as one of the best QBs in the league between 1995 and 1999, when he was held up as one of the first in a new breed of athletic, multi-dimensional quarterbacks. Brunell rushed for a career single-season high 480 yards in 1995, threw for a league-best 4,367 yards the following season and made the first of his three Pro Bowls that year. Brunell led the Jags to the AFC Championship game in 1996 and 1999.

    Why He Must Go: After an awful first season with the Redskins in 2004, Brunell is truly lucky to have an NFL job as 2005 begins. The former Pro Bowler went 3-6 in nine starts with Washington, completing fewer than 50 percent of his passes and throwing just seven touchdowns. Brunell was replaced by Patrick Ramsey, who fared only slightly better, and both quarterbacks can hear their clocks ticking after Auburn's Jason Campbell was drafted in April. Though he remains a personal favorite of Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, if Brunell sees the field at all in 2005, the Skins are in trouble.

    3. Eddie George, RB, Cowboys

    Age: 31

    When He Was Great: George made four straight Pro Bowls as a Titan between 1997 and 2000, and though he averaged more than four yards per carry just twice in eight years in the Music City, George carried the football more than 300 times in each of those seasons. While rushing for a personal-best 1,509 yards and 14 touchdowns in 2000, George posted an NFL-best 403 carries.

    Why He Must Go: The website at eddiegeorge.com hasn't been updated since 2001, which was around the last time that George himself could have been considered one of the league's top-flight running backs. George was a bust in his first year as a Cowboy, rushing for a career-low 432 yards and running his streak of seasons where he averaged fewer than four yards per carry to five straight. George, who is an unrestricted free agent, reportedly had a productive meeting with the Titans in early May, but with Chris Brown the unquestioned No. 1 and Tennessee property Jarrett Payton tearing up NFL Europe, the 1995 Heisman Winner could find himself without a home at the age of 31.

    2. Deion Sanders, DB, Ravens

    Age: 38

    When He Was Great: From his rookie year with the Falcons in 1989 through his second-to-last with the Cowboys in 1998, Sanders was as good as they came at the cornerback position. Even with opposing quarterbacks shying away from him, "PrimeTime" recorded 41 interceptions over those 10 seasons, returning eight for touchdowns. In addition, the eight-time Pro Bowl selection was a menace on special teams, taking nine to the house in the return game, and also catching 36 passes during the 1996 campaign with Dallas.

    Why He Must Go: Sanders appeared in just nine games with the Ravens due to various injuries last season, leaving the team short-handed in nickel and dime situations. Sanders played reasonably well when available, though he was rarely his former spectacular self, intercepting just three passes (including two in one game). In a key late-season loss against Cincinnati, which Sanders sat out, the Ravens' secondary was gutted in the final moments by Bengals QB Carson Palmer and receivers Chad Johnson and T.J. Housmandzadeh. Since Baltimore can scarcely count on Sanders to be healthy all season, it must find insurance for him, which will take away from some other area of the team. "Neon Deion" is not such a standout anymore to be worth the necessary jockeying on the roster.

    1. Jerry Rice, WR, Broncos

    Age: 42

    When He Was Great: A 13-time Pro Bowl selection, Rice is arguably the greatest player in the history of the game. Though it is difficult to single out personal highlights of his storied career, Rice's peak years were between 1989 and 1996, before his first knee injury. The Mississippi Valley State product led the NFL in either catches, receiving yards, or touchdowns in six of those seven seasons, and scored at least 10 TDs every year between 1986 and 1995.

    Why He Must Go: Rice had just 30 catches in 14 combined starts with the Raiders and Seahawks last season, and apart from an eight-catch, 145-yard outing against the Cowboys in a track-meet- style Monday night game, generally looked to possess a fraction of his former abilities. Rice's hands remain among the best in the business, but he continues to have trouble gaining separation off the line of scrimmage and getting open. As much as we would all like to see him go out on a high note with the Broncos, it's simply not going to happen.</div> By the Sports Network. Do you agree with all these?


    3. Eddie George, RB, Cowboys

    Age: 31
    Dont agree with this one at all. I still think he can put in lots of yards with the Cowboys.



    6. Morten Andersen, K, Vikings

    Age: 45
    This one is an iffty...Hes not relly getting tackled. So lets give him one more year.



    10. Marcellus Wiley, DE, Jaguars

    Age (when 2005 begins): 30
    I still think he can do good at his position.
     
  2. Pack Attack

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    Eddie George is a free agent. I don't think he's going to play this year at all. There was some talk about him re-signing with Tennessee to finish his career there as a third down back.

    Andersen really should retire...as should Gary Anderson. You shouldn't have to keep two kickers on your roster...one for kickoffs and one for field goals. Both of the "Andersons" are Hall of Famers. Time to call it a day...

    Wiley deserves one more chance, in my opinion.

    Sanders should retire.

    Ray Brown should retire.

    Rice should retire AFTER this year.

    Brunell would be fine if he had a line and some weapons. He took a lot of the blame for Washington's struggles last year, but in his defense, he didn't have much to work with.

    Flutie should probably call it, though I do think he could still play.

    I don't know what to say about Washington and Douglas. Probably retire, I guess.
     
  3. JustBry07

    JustBry07 The Underdog

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    I agree with that list. Except they are missing a player on that list, where's Favre?
     
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    Favre still has 2-3 More good Years, He will still put up the Numbers and aslong as we have him we have a shot.
     
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    JustBry07 The Underdog

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>aslong as we have him we have a shot.</div>

    I agree with that part. Once the Packers lose Favre their chances of going anywhere are pretty much shot. I don't think he has enough gas in the tank to keep going for 2-3 more years though. He's getting real close to retirement.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>aslong as we have him we have a shot.</div>

    I agree with that part. Once the Packers lose Favre their chances of going anywhere are pretty much shot. I don't think he has enough gas in the tank to keep going for 2-3 more years though. He's getting real close to retirement.</div>

    I cant be sure about this. Saying this may be going to far. Perhaps he will make deal with devil to allow him to keep going. He is good at deals. Maybe he already made one. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps he will make deal with devil to allow him to keep going.</div>

    Hmmmm...

    [​IMG]
     
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    DP He shoots, he scores!

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    o god lol thats funny man.

    We got Rodgers. I think he will do well.
     
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    JustBry07 The Underdog

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>o god lol thats funny man.

    We got Rodgers. I think he will do well.</div>

    Rodgers is a rookie though, you never know what will happen with rookie's. He could end up being a bust. Favre is keeping the Packers going right now.
     
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    Thats why I wanted Charley Frye! I will not be sold on Rodgers until he comes out and blows everyone away, He is a Tedford guy and look at how many of them have truley been good in the pros, Currently the most recent ones we have I think are Harrington, Carr, and Boller, not to mention Akili Smith! I Pray Rodgers is a good QB or atleast half of what Favre is but He wont win me over until he steps onto the field.
     
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    Rodgers is going to need AT LEAST two years to develop and study the offense under Favre. That's the only way he'll have a chance. If Favre retires after this year and they throw Rodgers on the fire, he's going to be screwed.
     
  12. J-E-T-S 1083

    J-E-T-S 1083 The Original Jets Junkie

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    well anyone under Brett Favre learning the offense has a great shot in becoming a great QB

    i agree with this list, though i would hate to see Flutie go hes great
     
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    DP He shoots, he scores!

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>o god lol thats funny man.

    We got Rodgers. I think he will do well.</div>

    Rodgers is a rookie though, you never know what will happen with rookie's. He could end up being a bust. Favre is keeping the Packers going right now.</div>


    Ya i know Favre is keeping us going. I wouder how Alex Smith would do as a rookie QB...Wait what aboout the Steelers rookie QB(Sorry i can think of him name i just woke up) Did he wope some ass?
     
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    You mean Big Ben Roethlesberger? He was very good for them no doubt but he had an amazing supporting cast, Alex Smith doesn't have that in San Fran .
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>You mean Big Ben Roethlesberger? He was very good for them no doubt but he had an amazing supporting cast, Alex Smith doesn't have that in San Fran .</div>

    Ya thats who it is!
     

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