I may be bias for Kobe, but let's be honest about this. Lebron has greater upside than Kobe because of the age difference but the question is who is better Kobe or Lebron. Lebron plays with an all-star center (Big Z), pretty good power forward (Drew Gooden), an above average point gaurd (Jeff). Who does Kobe have? A point gaurd that can only shoot the ball from 3 land and has horrible d, Lamar Odom the overrrated small forward that played power forward but his natural position is at the 3, Chris Mihm a player who only plays well at home. Kobe has pretty much no guys to back him up while Lebron should be thankful that he has two great big man plus they play in the East. What a huge advantage. All of those things show the advantages and disadvantages each player has. Kobe has alot more creativity and hangtime. Lebron is only good for putting his arm up and dunking the ball. Kobe can perform jaw-dropping baseline shots. Kobe may shoot a junker field- goal percentage but Lebron shoots almost all of his points in the paint because he has a threat down low in big Z. Kobe is forced to take harder shots at the end of the shot clock but still manages to drain them. So the field goal percentage is messed up in a way because of the different factors. Lebron may only have his rebounding on Kobe because of size and height. Lebron often matches up with smaller players and has advantages of getting rebounds. kobe is still a pretty good rebounder though. Just because Lebron averages more assits doesn't mean hes a better passer. Lebron often runs the point while KObe is the slasher. Lebron has more opportunities to get the ball to teamates for assists. Kobe is a ton better than Lebron at shooting the ball. Do you see the shots Kobe makes. Unbilevable. he makes shots behind 3 point land that are almost out of bounds not fron the corner butr from the wing. Kobe also drains the impossible fade aways from the perimiter and wing. Kobe is definitely a better defender. He shuts down stars big time. I almost watched every game this season for the Lakers and Kobe shut down T-Mac, Rashard lewis, etc. numberous times. He might not have as many steals because of again the fact of having a alot better center. Kobe shows that he is a better leader too. This season might not have looked like a great year but hes positive. He is leading this team to glory. This is destiny. So for all of the haters out there, Kobe is 5 times as better as Lebron and will win more championships to come. Be ready.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PejaForThree:</div><div class="quote_post">Still good to see that Lakers fans can't see that Kobe caused the downfall of their Dynasty. Have fun fishing!</div> haha. sure. I was stating the truth. The Lakers crushed SacTowns dream of a dynasty everytime they tried to start one. How many rings do the Kings have? I think you can answer that. The Lakers on the other hand, will have another in the making with Kobe. Watch and Learn! Our time will come again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "pimpdaddy33":</div><div class="quote_post">I may be bias for Kobe, but let's be honest about this. Lebron has greater upside than Kobe because of the age difference but the question is who is better Kobe or Lebron. Lebron plays with an all-star center (Big Z), pretty good power forward (Drew Gooden), an above average point gaurd (Jeff). Who does Kobe have? A point gaurd that can only shoot the ball from 3 land and has horrible d, Lamar Odom the overrrated small forward that played power forward but his natural position is at the 3, Chris Mihm a player who only plays well at home. Kobe has pretty much no guys to back him up while Lebron should be thankful that he has two great big man plus they play in the East. What a huge advantage. All of those things show the advantages and disadvantages each player has.</div> A little ovexaggeration here? No mention of Caron Butler? You call Chucky Atkins a PG who can only shoot the three, and has horrible D, but Jeff McInnis this season for the Cavs has been a PG who can't shoot the three but takes it, and also has horrible D. Drew Gooden isn't close to the player Lamar Odom is, let's be real here, out of all the better players behind both guys [Ilguaskas, Gooden, Odom, Butler], Odom is the best player. Caron Butler is every bit as good as Gooden at his position, so the Cavs don't have any actual advantage in talent. Also considering the Cavs starting lineup, they also have Ira Newble as a starter, and their's no player in the Lakers starting lineup who is their Ira Newble. Even Mihm is better than Newble, but you could've just skimmed past that. You clearly stat all those things show the advantages and disadvantages each player has, but don't stat any disadvantages Lebron has, and no advantages Kobe has. How about the Cavs having no three point threat(s) to spread out the floor, while the Lakers have a fairly good amount. I already mentioned Ira Newble, but how about the Cavs bench, which is inferior to the Lakers bench which isn't anything to brag about itself. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe has alot more creativity and hangtime. Lebron is only good for putting his arm up and dunking the ball. Kobe can perform jaw-dropping baseline shots. </div> While this is cool, these are things that in reality do not contribute to basketball success. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe may shoot a junker field- goal percentage but Lebron shoots almost all of his points in the paint because he has a threat down low in big Z. Kobe is forced to take harder shots at the end of the shot clock but still manages to drain them. So the field goal percentage is messed up in a way because of the different factors. </div> Why would a threat down low allow Lebron to shoot all his points in the paint? That doesn't even make sense . I think me and the rest of the people here would like to know how that works? Ilguaskas missed games this season, and it really had 0 effect on Lebron's game and numbers, the effect it had was that the team had one less significant option. Tractor Traylor started at center and scored 20 points one of the nights, they went 2-2 in the games he missed and both of their losses were on the road against playoff teams. Lebron's numbers without the big man you ask? 32.5 points | 8.5 rebounds | 6.5 assists | 3.25 steals | 3.0 turnovers | 49.5% FG. 67% of Lebron's FG attempts are outside shots, and 33% in the paint. 71% of Kobe's FG attempts are outside shots, and 29% in the paint, so no, you're very well off in that assumption. If you didn't realize Lebron this season is also shooting 35.1% from 3PT range, and while not the jumpshooter Kobe is, he is a capable one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron may only have his rebounding on Kobe because of size and height. Lebron often matches up with smaller players and has advantages of getting rebounds. kobe is still a pretty good rebounder though.</div> Lebron plays SF, I don't think he's grabbing rebounds because of playing against smaller players lol, I think he's grabbing rebounds because he's a good rebounder at his position. I don't think anyone would discredit Kobe because Lebron is rebounding better than him, Lebron is 2 inches taller, bigger, stronger, and has better jumping ability, it's not a big thing. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a ton better than Lebron at shooting the ball. Do you see the shots Kobe makes. Unbilevable. he makes shots behind 3 point land that are almost out of bounds not fron the corner butr from the wing. Kobe also drains the impossible fade aways from the perimiter and wing</div> Did you see Lebron hit a highly contested off balance three against the Bulls?I think many of the prolific players in the league can hit tough and amazing shots, that's not something centered around Kobe, it might seem like that as you watch him more often, but it's not though he does have his share of highlights. So, Kobe does hit tough shots, but again, how does that win you basketball games? I think efficient scoring and smart shot selection will win you more games than making tough shots and being on the highlights. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is definitely a better defender. He shuts down stars big time. I almost watched every game this season for the Lakers and Kobe shut down T-Mac, Rashard lewis, etc. numberous times. He might not have as many steals because of again the fact of having a alot better center. </div> Steals don't have a direct correlation with having a better center, it has to do with their abilities to play and pick passing lanes. Lebron's length, anticipation and quickness allow him to be very good at getting steals. It can be affected by who you have behind you because with better defenders behind you, you're capable of gambling more often and having them recover for you, but Gooden and Ilguaskas are not good recover defenders so it makes no difference. Kobe has actually gambled more this season than he has in previous years, yet his steal numbers are a lot lower. His defense was better at the beginning of the season, but on the year as a whole he has played pretty weak defense. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe shows that he is a better leader too. This season might not have looked like a great year but hes positive. He is leading this team to glory. This is destiny. So for all of the haters out there, Kobe is 5 times as better as Lebron and will win more championships to come. Be ready.</div> I have not seen Kobe show that he's a better leader, I don't have a take on who's a better leader, but if I was a betting man, I'd take Lebron right now. You predictions of him leading the team to glory don't hold any water in terms of him being a leader because it has yet to happen. Any one can come and say the same about Lebron, but would it mean he's the better leader? Kobe is not 5 times better, he is currently marginally better than Lebron, and the only thing that gives him that edge is how he can play defensively. He did not show it this season, but he has previously, but if he doesn't maintain that level in coming years, or if Lebron can get to a good defensive level, he will surpass him because his total offensive game is already as good, and I'd say even better. I personally hate people that continually use the word haters, it's usually a way of saying I really have no argument. Their's times when "hater" can be used, and it's obvious, but you just in general saying anyone that thinks Lebron is a better is a hater is ignorant. I'm sorry, but you made very weak points and arguments in your post...
all i can say is kobe in his peak performance (previous years) is still better than lebron in his peak performance. But this season, lebron is clearly better than kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting whatever:</div><div class="quote_post">all i can say is kobe in his peak performance (previous years) is still better than lebron in his peak performance. But this season, lebron is clearly better than kobe.</div> I think we can all agree that Lebron has not gotten close to peak performance though..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting whatever:</div><div class="quote_post">all i can say is kobe in his peak performance (previous years) is still better than lebron in his peak performance.</div> 2 Years in the league...20 years young...LeBron's only getting better my friend...
yes, that's why lebron i think in years to come will be better than kobe.. probably even as good as jordan.. who knows
man it seems like everyone is against the lakers community. Let's just see next year when Kobe has 6 months to train. In previous years he has had a few months. Now he has 6 months. I don't care what u guys say but he's coming and I just hope his team can get better just like how he is going to be.
yeah next year Kobe will basically be in his prime, not to mention he'll trust his teammates more, he'll want to prove that the Laker's didn't become some old average team and bring us far in the playoff's. Also his supporting cast SHOULD GREATLY IMPROVE compared to this year, so that'll make better shot selection. also much less hype of kobe than this year, this year kobe got rid of rape issues and shaq-kobe fued, practically over Can't wait till next season for a Laker comeback
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">2 Years in the league...20 years young...LeBron's only getting better my friend...</div> Lebron walked into the NBA in the body of a man. Althleticism and size most 18 year olds dont have. That has alot to do with why he is so good at his age. He was ready to compete with anyone physically the minute he stepped on the floor. Most 18 year olds do not have the physique LB was born with. He is a great player, but to compare him to others his age is tough because of the advantage he has over alot of youngins. LB is clearly better than Kobe at 20, than Jordan at 20, and many others. But its tough comparing him to anyone because of his size. I think he'll get better as well. With age. He has the talent, he just needs the experience. As of today, Kobe at 26 is is better than LB at 20.
<font color="Red">Let's look at it like this:</font> Put yourself in the shoes of an NBA player. If you have a chance to join either the Cavs or Lakers, which would you choose? IMO I'm going to go with LeBron and the Cavs because he's going to make my job easier on both ends of the foor. He's the type of player that you're going to enjoy the best year's of your career with. He makes it his personal responsibility to ensure that everyone is involved in the offense and gets his team wide open looks. With Kobe, it's more like stand around and watch. He's also a real good help defender and has your back if you get beat on defense.
terrible <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post"><font color="Red">Let's look at it like this:</font> Put yourself in the shoes of an NBA player. If you have a chance to join either the Cavs or Lakers, which would you choose? IMO I'm going to go with LeBron and the Cavs because he's going to make my job easier on both ends of the foor. He's the type of player that you're going to enjoy the best year's of your career with. He makes it his personal responsibility to ensure that everyone is involved in the offense and gets his team wide open looks. With Kobe, it's more like stand around and watch. He's also a real good help defender and has your back if you get beat on defense.</div> This is a bad way to look at the argument. I agree that LBJ is the choice but not for that reasoning. Just becuase LBJ would be more fun to play with doesnt make him a better player. All that says is that you like his style of play better but doesnt mean he is a better player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">This is a bad way to look at the argument. I agree that LBJ is the choice but not for that reasoning. Just becuase LBJ would be more fun to play with doesnt make him a better player. All that says is that you like his style of play better but doesnt mean he is a better player.</div>Why try to bash his post like that? He does have a good point. Here is exactly what he said: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> IMO I'm going to go with LeBron and the Cavs because he's going to make my job easier on both ends of the foor. He's the type of player that you're going to enjoy the best year's of your career with. He makes it his personal responsibility to ensure that everyone is involved in the offense and gets his team wide open looks. </div>I think it's clear that he chooses Lebron because he is more of an unselfish player. Not because it is more FUN to play with him. At this point of their careers I think it should be unanimous that Lebron is picked over Kobe. He is almost averaging a triple double at the age of 20 and he has all the time in the world to get even better. Kobe is not declining in talent at all but based on overall potential, marketability and skill set I have to go with LBJ right now.
No doubt in my mind that Lebron is better than Kobe. Even though Lebron's only 20 and Kobe's a veteran at 26... First look at the shooting %... well that's all said and done now lol! Can someone refresh my memory of when Lebron got 56 points against the Raps, but his team STILL lost??? Now tell me who's got the best supporting cast.. Shapecity's has been saying it should be blamed on Lebron for the Cavs not making the playoffs, yet as everyone can see, he's been doing everything for the Cavs... and everything not just scoring with a low % like Kobe. Lebron had a triple double the last game of the year, but it still wasn't enough... He got 56 points... still wasn't evough to even WIN the game. I can remember at least 3 games that the Cavs lost when Lebron got 34 8 and 8. While shooting over 50%. I don't see Kobe doing that consistently while shooting a good %. So right now... I GUESS people could call Lebron vs Kobe a tossup, although in my mind I think it is by far Lebron. But in the future, say 1-3 years, Lebron will be hands down the best player in the league during his entire reign. Something Kobe never was, is or will be. Period.
Well their is the fact that his defense has been bad, I mean Tayshaun was even toying with him. I think the game that lost them the playoffs was the game vs New York. Lebron was lighting it up that month, but against NY he was cold and shot I think 7-25 and just had a terrible night. That was the game that lost them a playoff spot.
You absolutley right, Kobe is not as much good as LeBron because LeBron is doing everything by himself and Kobe all the great tings that he did was with Shaq
I do believe that at this moment Kobe is slightly better than Lebron. He does have three rings, and more experience. IMO within two season Lebron will solidify him self as the premier SG in the game. If Lebron had the supporting cast Kobe did when he won the titles Lebron would have done the same thing. Kobe has a better jumpshot than Lebron does.
Hollinger of ESPN.com posted an insider article where he compares LeBron and Kobe. He's not looking at career accomplishments, but rather who he'd pick if he had to win a game tomorrow. link Basically, he breaks them down like this: Rebounding: edge LeBron Defense: edge Kobe Passing: tie Locker Room: edge LeBron Shooting/Scoring: edge LeBron (very close) Overall, he chooses LeBron, but he concedes that it's very close. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> So, looking at the advantages above, pretty much every category came down to a razor-thin margin. Nonetheless, one was a draw and three of the other four landed on the same side of the fence, and that seems to be telling. James is a better rebounder, scorer and teammate, and Bryant's only edge is in defense. If my life depended on winning one game, I'd be happy to have either of these two on my side. But right now, I'd pick LeBron.</div>
