<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course it was blown up but the difference is that they know that they know they are being watched carefully and that they are under the microscope and they still did it. They should know that they are going to be held to a different standard than other teams because of the brawl. Look at Ron Artest. Do you remember either last year or two years ago when he was on the bench and went to run onto the court but stopped. He was still punished for leaving the bench which isnt allowed but other players wouldnt have been but he was held to a different standard because of his history.</div> You still don't get it. You're still generalizing by saying "they" know they're being watched and "they" still did it. I could probably count the number of Pistons fans involved in both the 'brawl' and the 'quarter incidident' on my hands alone, so why should you think that those ten or so people represent the millions of people in Detroit and their fans worldwide? I'm sorry, that's just plain ignorant. I also have to dissagree with raptors4life's post, because I don't think that the few thousand fans in The Palace who boo'ed the Anthem are a fair reflection of the millions of the Pistons fan base either. Also, haven't you ever heard of a mob mentality? I did a quick Google search for a good definition of the term that I could give you, and surprisingly most of the results I found were about the Pistons/Pacers brawl. Here is one quote in particular I think you should read - <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The problem isn?t rules?or the lack thereof. The problem isn?t a lack of security. The problem is humans. We are prone to mob mentality. Joining the mob is easier than resisting or justifying it. One player jumps into the stands and throws a punch at a fan. A fan then feels justified in running onto the floor at another player. The player?in this case, Jermaine O?Neal (known as a good guy), has no idea what the intentions of the fan is or whether he has a weapon, so he throws a punch. Other fans and players see this and the mob mentality increases. Fights happen in sports. They are difficult to justify, but understandable during the heat of battle. Athlete?s emotions are running on high and sometimes athletes snap. But usually, another player or coach will step in to keep the fight from escalating and to keep people from getting hurt</div> Link
What a load of crap. To everyone that is defending these rowdy sports fans saying that it's no biggie throwing coins, spitting, insulting, etc. because ppl do it everywhere else and in college basketball games, shame on you. Just because people do it at other levels doesn't make it alright. Also, like JWohl said, detroit fans are under a tighter watch than any other NBA fans because of the incident in November and yet an idiot still throws a coin at an opposing player. Of course it'll be blown up in the news, what's so surprising about that? The previous incident by one of the fans in the Palace only created one of the biggest sports brawl in the history of US Sports... All I'm saying is just be a good fan with good sportsmanship and not condone/excuse other hostile behavior.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">You still don't get it. You're still generalizing by saying "they" know they're being watched and "they" still did it. I could probably count the number of Pistons fans involved in both the 'brawl' and the 'quarter incidident' on my hands alone, so why should you think that those ten or so people represent the millions of people in Detroit and their fans worldwide? I'm sorry, that's just plain ignorant.</div> What I am saying is that the Detroit fans should know that becuase of what those few fans did a few months ago that led to the brawl that this group of fans and all Pistons fans at the Palace will be under extreme scrutiny.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">You still don't get it. You're still generalizing by saying "they" know they're being watched and "they" still did it. I could probably count the number of Pistons fans involved in both the 'brawl' and the 'quarter incidident' on my hands alone, so why should you think that those ten or so people represent the millions of people in Detroit and their fans worldwide? I'm sorry, that's just plain ignorant.</div> You're the one that's not getting it. They, as in all Detroit fans, ARE being watched closely. They, as in all Detroit fans, ARE being generalized, and with good reasons too. It's not about whether there's 1 or 1000000 Pistons fans that was involved in the brawl, they are all under close watch because one of them did a boo boo. Nobody is saying "they" are bad, all JWohl said is that they're all being watched. It's like this, you are a finesse player in a basketball team, but 2 of your players are jerks. They taunt, they foul hard, they are physical. What's going to happen? Of course other teams will label your team as a physical, rough team, even though you and a couple of your teammates are exact opposites. The other teams will say "watch out for team A, they're rough and physical". In our case, everyone is watching for Detroit fans because some of them were total idiots. Get it?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post"> To everyone that is defending these rowdy sports fans saying that it's no biggie throwing coins, spitting, insulting, etc. because ppl do it everywhere else and in college basketball games, shame on you. Just because people do it at other levels doesn't make it alright. Also, like JWohl said, detroit fans are under a tighter watch than any other NBA fans because of the incident in November and yet an idiot still throws a coin at an opposing player. Of course it'll be blown up in the news, what's so surprising about that? The previous incident by one of the fans in the Palace only created one of the biggest sports brawl in the history of US Sports... All I'm saying is just be a good fan with good sportsmanship and not condone/excuse other hostile behavior.</div> DAiLO, I was not personally condoning any of these actions, brushing them off because they happen in other spots, or saying that I am surprised that it's blown up in the media. What I was saying is that you should not generalize and say all of the Pistons fans are bad fans just because of one idiot. I'm fine if everyone comments on the bad behavior of that one idiot, but I'm not fine when they apply his own action to a whole fan base. The reason I brought the college fans into discussion was just to show that there are similar actions going on in the NCAA. By bring that up, I was not trying to justify the actions of the fan who threw the quarter but was rather trying to show that Detroit's fans aren't even as bad as it gets. Edit - As for the whole "the NBA is watching them closely" thing, I never denied that. The things that inspired my reply are quotes, such as the following - Kobe 8 Ball - "Detroit fans need to grow up." JWohl - "and they still did it.", "When will they learn?" In these two quotes, act like the whole fan base threw that quarter. That's what I said he didn't get.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">DAiLO, I was not personally condoning any of these actions, brushing them off because they happen in other spots, or saying that I am surprised that it's blown up in the media. What I was saying is that you should not generalize and say all of the Pistons fans are bad fans just because of one idiot. I'm fine if everyone comments on the bad behavior of that one idiot, but I'm not fine when they apply his own action to a whole fan base. The reason I brought the college fans into discussion was just to show that there are actions going on in the NCAA. By bring that up, I was not trying to justify the actions of the fan who threw the quarter but was rather trying to show that Detroit's fans aren't even as bad as it gets.</div> In that case I apologize. For some reason your post just came across as saying that "Look what happens in the college level. It's no biggie." because it is a big deal. Little things do mount up to big incidents. It only takes one wrong little action in the wrong time to create another sports brawl..
Woah I just watched CSN, they had the guy who through the coin and he just apologized to the Sixers and Pistons. Turns out the guy also sat in the wrong seat on purpose to have a better look at the action...
If a fan is caught doing something stupid (like throwing things at players) they should be banned for life. stuff em, they <font color="Red">----</font> up, they get <font color="Red">------</font> up. Maybe then people will get a brain and realise it is a sport, if they wanna see a fight go watch boxing. <font color="Red"><font size="1">Watch the profanity, - VC -</font></font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You still don't get it. You're still generalizing by saying "they" know they're being watched and "they" still did it. I could probably count the number of Pistons fans involved in both the 'brawl' and the 'quarter incidident' on my hands alone, so why should you think that those ten or so people represent the millions of people in Detroit and their fans worldwide? I'm sorry, that's just plain ignorant.</div> I agree. At first when I found out about this, I was agreeing with the majority as in the "Detroit Fans" are ridiculous etc. I was basically generalizing them myself. But you're right though, if you can actually hand count the fans that caused all this mishap you can't generalize them. And when you also take the fact that a DETORIT fan actually pointed out the culprit, you must realize that?s it not everyone in Detroit. HOWEVER, that doesn?t change the fact that both incidents happened in Detroit, thus that is why I would say Detroit is only a few minor incidents away before you can legitimately have a right to generalize them. Yes, people blow it out of proportion when something happens in Detroit, the same place where the biggest brawl ever happen in Detroit between fan and players and something that reflected that to happen again, you can't help but to put it in the headlines. So all in all, this shouldn?t be ignored, but it shouldn?t be blown way to out of context. The reason it should receive attention was because like I said, this is the same thing that provoked the basketball brawl a while back, a fan throwing something at a player. But then again, it was just a coin, and like mentioned it happens everywhere (if Iverson were too seriously get injured that would be something COMPLETELY different). So I say we just move on. That man got arrested, charged with a felony I believe and Iverson is okay.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting American Poet:</div><div class="quote_post">Woah I just watched CSN, they had the guy who through the coin and he just apologized to the Sixers and Pistons. Turns out the guy also sat in the wrong seat on purpose to have a better look at the action...</div> Good I'm glad they made him do at least that.
I like King James for Lebron and Vince has gotta have the most and the best nicknames in the league: Air Canada (well, not anymore though), Vinsanity, Half-Man Half-Amazing, VC#15, and there's a couple of more that I can't remember.
Iverson handled this situation in the right way by saying he accepts the mans apology and that they shouldn't generalize all detroit fans as bad fans just because a couple fans are bad
I wouldn't generalize Detroit fans just after one incident but they've had quite a few now. It's getting really old.
Whomever judging the Piston fans stereotypically as a bad bunch doesn't have an idea how nasty it has gotten in years past in several college games. In the late 80's and early 90's, Tar Heels and some Blue devils will get death threats and would be abused throughout the season whenever the two teams met. It got ugly. Same thing in the 70's between Indiana and Michigan State. So what's happening in Detroit this season is not a big deal considering the history of such things in the 4 major sports. The November 17 brawl is an exception, however.
