<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How much of this has to do with race? A lot? A little? Or ''zero,'' as Miami Heat president Pat Riley said before the little white guy beat the big black guy for MVP? I don't pretend to know these answers. There is no good way to do these measurements with science or math. And I, too, am tired of seeing racism thrown like a Molotov cocktail into discussions where racism doesn't exist. But don't you have to ask these questions when confronted with something unprecedented?</div> source I cannot express how sad it is that we are still so obsessed with race in this country. Just leave the game alone, Dan LeBatard, and write about something with substance. This is just asanine.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">You shouldnt have even wasted your time posting that.</div> sorry? i kind of want to know if i'm alone in thinking this is crazy...
If anyone brings up racism in a topic like this that person has to be a moron. Damn you, Dan LeBastard
I love when the local papers start total BS. Racism about the biggest award in sports? Rediculous, just rediculous...
How crazzy!!! A white guy actually winning the MVP award?? It must be racist...because white guys have been winning that award for years!! mark one more down for the whitties.....
Charles Barkley was on Mike & Mike today and as soon as they mentioned LeBatard's name, Chuck quickly corrected them that it was Dan Retard. No one called foul when AI won it over shaq, or when countless others won it, but because he's white, this dude has to try to discredit it. Wilt Chamberlain said "no one roots for goliath" and that's what's going on here, the pulled for the little guy. I love how columnists these days don't even have the guts to flat out say it's racism, but they say stuff like "oh, could it be racism?"
Dan LeBatard is the biggest idiot in sports; journalist, coach, player, GM, etc., he tops them all. There was another article on this in the Birmingham News written by Kevin Scarbinsky. He has the same attitude as LeBatard. I don't know where to find his article and I wouldn't post it anyway. I say congrats to Nash, he was my pick all season. 21 wins to 62 wins is an incredible accomplishment.
Makes me wonder if he goes around, lurking in caves and bars, rubbing his notebook and calling it his "precious". People constantly perpetuate fear, anger, and distrust. That's why we can not grow stronger as a community.
Yeah this is stupid and a bunch of garbage. This guy needs to write a real article instead of making false allogations.
I'll tell you, Dan LeBatard is about my least favorite sports writer out there, right up with Woody Paige and Bob Ryan (and I grew up around here, hating Ryan is a sin). But I'm going to take an unpopular stance and say that, it may or may not be racism, but there are more valuable players on that team than Nash, nevermind the league. My man Sports Guy made a good point the other day, if you put Parker where Nash is, if you put Jason Williams, even Kirk Hinrich in Nash's spot, the Suns are still a top five team. And while I suppose that's all supposition because it's Nash that's there, the point is (no pun intended), there is only one player on that squad that's irreplaceable and that's Amare. If you've read anything from me in the past two weeks, you know what kind of emphasis I put on long and fast, so maybe my view is a touch biased, but you could fit in any running, pass-happy, long range shooting point guard, and if they played solid D, they could probably earn themselves a second look, but they still wouldn't compare to the importance of having an Amare looking at you underneath the basket. That doesn't mean I'm endorsing Amare for an MVP either, I truly believe that Shaq earned it. And while the Heat improve to the tune of 20 wins, the real test is in the playoffs. Has Shaq made a difference for this team in the playoffs? Not yet, but we'll see soon. Has Nash? Yes, no question, but so has everyone else on that team, so this argument seems moot to me. All I'm saying is, if Nash is black, he doesn't get one first place vote, and Shaq takes another award. If Nash is black, he's the THIRD best player on that team. If Nash is black, he's not even Baron Davis, nevermind Shaq. And I don't think it's racist, I think it's just that sportswriters in this country, once again, have no sense of outrage (unless it sells papers). Think about the brawl earlier in the year, everyone thought that was the worst thing to happen in sports, ever. Well, hello, why's that? Because it was on ESPN during prime time and everyone saw it. And who controls what you see the next morning? ESPN...Earth to the viewing public, think about all the other fan related brawls in the past, there are have been at least four different ones that were FAR worse than that, and that's just in the last ten years. Not in the NBA mind you, but becaue a leading sports network didn't air them again and again, totally indoctrinating you with the same nonsense about this being a tragedy and blah blah blah again and agian, you wouldn't give it a second look, just like you don't give Tie Domi a second look, or give Terry O'Reilly (do you even know who he was?) a second look, or even give Francisco Rodriguez a second look. The man threw a chair into the stands and seriously injured a woman, and it was swept under the rug in less than two weeks. Artest shoves a guy for throwing a beer at him and BAM, he's the biggest villain in sports. Believe me, it was no love lost for me and Artest, but the guy did what any of us would have when he went after that guy. I would've, you would've, who wouldn't have wailed on the guy for doing that? It was totally inappropriate, it was totally uncalled for, and personally, I thought it was pretty dumb. It's the unprovoked attacks that plague the sporting fans. Some fans yell into a bullpen and a bystander gets her face broken when a pitcher no one's ever heard of throws a CHAIR into the stands? What the hell is that? I didn't see anyone tossing objects at the fans (although O'Neal's cheap shot on that poor guy falling down was BS), at the Palace. All I'm saying is, this was nowhere near the worst we've seen, and yet still we are made to believe it, and as a result, we do. In summation, these sportswriters are all coming to us from that organization that pays them that check to speak, and who's ratings do you think it helps? No sense of outrage, and as a result, we hear skewed perceptions of these crazy facts. Mind you, that doesn't mean they're racists, that just means they pick a guy and they're the ones we hear from, and they stay with their pick, and that's all we hear about all year, about how Nash was the savior of the Suns, wrong again. They needed a point guard, sure, but they also needed a system that suited them, and last year, they didn't have the talent to run run run, like they do now. Now they have that ability, and so they use it to their best advantage, and if you were in Mike D'Antoni's spot, you would too. If anyone wants that list of the other four in the last ten years, PM me, I'll enlighten you, I'll also let you know about O'Reilly while I'm at it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">All I'm saying is, if Nash is black, he doesn't get one first place vote, and Shaq takes another award. If Nash is black, he's the THIRD best player on that team. If Nash is black, he's not even Baron Davis, nevermind Shaq.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And I don't think it's racist</div>Well, I'm not sure if using your logic, how that couldn't be considered racism. When you have a 30 game turnaround, someone is gonna be an MVP canidate. And even though Amare is a freak, he had more wide open dunks than anyone I've seen in a long time, and I believe that's because of Nash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">source I cannot express how sad it is that we are still so obsessed with race in this country. Just leave the game alone, Dan LeBatard, and write about something with substance. This is just asanine. </div> Oh yeah, and we're obsessed with race in this country because it was built on the backs of four hundred years of the most tyrannical and profoundly morally bankrupt practice in the history of man, so no, it's not sad. Erasing that kind of history takes time and patience, and there are people out there who do want to villify black people who make money and would do anything to make sure they don't succeed where they ought to. The fact that people don't want to pay any attention to that, and pretend it doesn't happen anymore is what's sad, not the other way around. It may not be the game it's hurting, and in all honesty, I don't think these players earn what they make, but since they do make what they make, and do what they do, we have absolutely no right to say they shouldn't have the right to succeed as thoroughly as they can. And voting for a white guy when a black guy wouldn't havegotten a second look in the same position may or may not be racist, but it sure isn't right.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting briang8818:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, I'm not sure if using your logic, how that couldn't be considered racism. When you have a 30 game turnaround, someone is gonna be an MVP canidate. And even though Amare is a freak, he had more wide open dunks than anyone I've seen in a long time, and I believe that's because of Nash.</div> All I'm saying is, I'm not in the heads of those voters, I don't know if it's racist or not, and I don't have the right to accuse them of such, so I just won't say. I was only presenting a point, not stating that it was or wasn't racist. You kinda took that last part out of context.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting briang8818:</div><div class="quote_post">Charles Barkley was on Mike & Mike today and as soon as they mentioned LeBatard's name, Chuck quickly corrected them that it was Dan Retard. No one called foul when AI won it over shaq, or when countless others won it, but because he's white, this dude has to try to discredit it. Wilt Chamberlain said "no one roots for goliath" and that's what's going on here, the pulled for the little guy. I love how columnists these days don't even have the guts to flat out say it's racism, but they say stuff like "oh, could it be racism?"</div> I love how sportswriters today don't have the guts to root for Goliath. You have to read into every little story. It can't just be that the best guy got the award, it has to be that the best guy was the best, but this was great because he was different, so let's celebrate him instead.
Nash won the Regular Season MVP award. Nash was the primary reason why Phoenix came from the basement to the top floor this season. Nash is NOT better than Shaq, but because he is the most valuable player in the best team in the Regular Season, then he deserved the Regular Season MVP. Race has nothing to do with it. Unless you're a journalist with a deadlline, or a political opportunist with an agenda.
Race you got to be kidding me? you honestly think the NBA was craving a canadian MVP? no he earned the award, shaq probably should have got it but he shouldd get it every year, the same thing happened to MJ. Nash has had an amazing season and is rightly awarded for it. You would be a moron to think race had anything to do with thihs, eh?
