There is a lot of disputing with this MVP selection. Yes, Nash is a great player and had an amazing season, but yet there is a lot of decalcification on this decision. From him shouldn?t have getting the award because he is a catalyst and not even a bonafied superstar or whatever. The fact is that Nash won the MVP and while some think he didn't deserve it as much as Shaq, he deserved it nevertheless and he got it. But my question is... Is Steve Nash the first MVP winner to not have Hall of Fame correlation and credentials? Dating back to former MVP's from Barkley, Olajuwon and Robinson to the Duncan, Iverson and Garnett all these guys are future HOF no questions ask, but when you come across Steve Nash does he really have potential HOF caliber in him? Often when guys win an MVP they did not only perform well in that season alone, they made a significant amount of noise and impact before winning the award. Contrarily Steve Nash just had an amazing season and won the MVP. He's 31 and he probably has just 3 years at most of seasons like this. But that?s a different story, at the Phoenix Suns pace they?re on track to winning they?re first championship ring, but would that be enough to make him HOF bound? Let's say he wins the championship this season and does so again next year, is he really, really considered a future HOF? Dominique Wilkins not making the HOF was pretty much setting a new standard or raising the standards for that matter. If he didn?t make it, does Nash deserve to be in the HOF pool? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Out of all the MVP's ever, he's like the worst one, the Suns needed someone to run the offense and be a playmaker and he filled the role, it's like if the Cavs added Redd and won 60 games, would he be an MVP candidate?</div> Those were og15 comments, the comments which probed me into asking this question. Now while I fully agree with og15, you cant hide the fact that as you go down the MVP list and see names such as Jordan, Bird, Magic, Robertson and so on you will eventually come across Nash name which is eye raising.
Who said you have to be HOF material to win the MVP? The fact that Steve won it this year is on pure value to his team, I don't think it's as much as stats or else Shaq would've won. I mean, this is Steves first year with Phoenix, he has many seasons to come with this team and he could become HOF material in the future. I still don't see what having to be HOF material or statistical acheivements have to do with winning the MVP award. Bottom line is, who cares about the HOF. Steve did his thing, and he deserves every second of it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Steve did his thing, and he deserves every second of it.</div> That wasn't my intentions. I am no way trying to discredit Steve Nash, because I mentioned this before as in he really deserves the award equally as most as Shaq does, my to be consie my main question is should he be a HOF because looking back virtually every player on that MVP list is a HOF or Future HOF, and Charles Barkley once said no matter what, if you can get an MVP that's a automatic ticket to the HOF. I'm not saying that I agree with him, but again does Nash deserve to be in the HOF or can he potentially be in the HOF?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm not saying that I agree with him, but again does Nash deserve to be in the HOF or can he potentially be in the HOF?</div> As of now, definitely a no. Three All-Star appearances at 31, with an MVP award and being on a playoff team for about 5/6 years is not enough for him to be considered a HOF'er. People will now keep a closer eye on him, and if he puts up these numbers, or something close to it, again next year and for the following 3-4 seasons, on a winning Suns franchise with some WCF and NBA Finals appearances, then you can start talking about him being a HOF'er. However, he still has to do all that in my mind for him to be considered as a potential HOF'er when his career is near over.
If he keeps playing as good as he is now or even better for 4+ seasons I bet he could be a HOFer. Just look at John Stockton.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bahir:</div><div class="quote_post">If he keeps playing as good as he is now or even better for 4+ seasons I bet he could be a HOFer. Just look at John Stockton.</div>Yep, and his Karl Malone (amare) is gonna make life very easy for Steve in the next couple years. These two will have, I believe 4 more unstoppable years together, and I see Amare getting an MVP in that time. At the end of his career, it may be much closer than it appears now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bahir:</div><div class="quote_post">If he keeps playing as good as he is now or even better for 4+ seasons I bet he could be a HOFer. Just look at John Stockton.</div> John Stockton did his thing for 10+ years, and was also a very good defensive player, I don't think that's a close comparison really. I don't really know what Nash needs to do. A championship, maybe a few more years of double digit assists, and some more All-Star appearances and maybe All-NBA teams. Right now though his career boasts 13 points, 7 asssits, not a good defender, 3 All-Star appearances, likely an All-NBA First team this year, never even been a franchise player, and an MVP.
MVP doesnt have to meen the biggest superstar in the league at the time. Miami were able to win without Shaq, Phoniex wasnt which persuaded some people. MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. read it, who is most valuable to that team. Nash is. doesnt meen he is HOF calibar, just meens he is the MVP for the team and in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post"> Dating back to former MVP's from Barkley, Olajuwon and Robinson to the Duncan, Iverson and Garnett all these guys are future HOF no questions ask, </div> Ammmm, how is AI a future HOF'er and NAsh isnt? I agree i don't think Nash has done enough yet to be in the HOF, i do belive he will, but what i can't understand is how do you consider AI an MVP.
Are you serious? AI has been one of the most dominating players in the NBA for the past 9 years and without a question, the most dominate little man. He's been carrying the Sixers team for those past 9 years as well, and led them into the Finals one year. He might be turnover prone and selfish, but he does his job and more. He's a warrior on the court and a heck of a ball player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NSavic:</div><div class="quote_post">Ammmm, how is AI a future HOF'er and NAsh isnt? I agree i don't think Nash has done enough yet to be in the HOF, i do belive he will, but what i can't understand is how do you consider AI an MVP.</div> Allen Iverson: 27.4ppg / 4.1rpg / 6.0apg MVP (That?s the only thing Nash can match) NBA Finalist 6 all-star appearances (6 starts) (1 MVP) 2-Time Scoring Champ (Nash one-time Assists Leader) Allen Iverson might very well go down as the best small player to ever play the game of basketball. He?s been unstoppable every year throughout his career. He might even be the toughest player in the entire league and I don?t even think his tremendous heart he plays with every single game is in question. Right now he is better than Nash and always was. He is a true future Hall of Famer for sure.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NSavic:</div><div class="quote_post">Ammmm, how is AI a future HOF'er and NAsh isnt? I agree i don't think Nash has done enough yet to be in the HOF, i do belive he will, but what i can't understand is how do you consider AI an MVP.</div> How is he not a hall of famer. He's arguably the toughest player the league has ever seen, and just look at the numbers nash can only match one thing and thats his undeserving MVP. Look at Nash's old team and look at Shaq's old team and you'll see that shaq has by far more impact on his teams, but i dont want to get into that argument again. Iverson is already a lock and Nash is at his prime right now but i dont see him winning the award next year either so he will definately not be in the hall of fame. He might get into to the Canadian Hall of fame. If there is one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NSavic:</div><div class="quote_post">Ammmm, how is AI a future HOF'er and NAsh isnt? I agree i don't think Nash has done enough yet to be in the HOF, i do belive he will, but what i can't understand is how do you consider AI an MVP.</div> in agreement with Mrj AI is a future HOF. He is a 6 time allstar and 6 times he was on the ALL-NBA first or second team with 3 on the first. He has as much if not more heart than any player in NBA history. Though small in size he carried his team to the playoffs many times and to the NBA finals once. HOF easy.
i am not saying he isn't a good player nor that he will not make it to the HOF, i am just saying that if his career ended today,he is not capable of makign the HOF. I think his rep needs to change, players need to be able to play with him and he needs to start making his teammates better and not just himself. He also need to make it to the finals more then once. I look at an HOF'er as a player that bettered the game of basketball and set records while still making sure his team didn't fall apart. Anyways, he most likley will make it to the HOF but, once again, f it all ended today, i wouldn't vote him in. He is on his way to being there and good luck to him.
While this is obviously not an offical NBA Hall of Fame measure, http://www.basketballreference.com, has a HOF meter that is pretty useful. It assigns a point value to multiple things and at 135 points, an NBA player is likely inducted into the HOF. Of course the most valued thing on this meter is and MVP award. Its a very cool tool, I think you should all check it out. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but otherwise the HOF measure is fairly accurate. Iversons HOF measure
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Allen Iverson: 27.4ppg / 4.1rpg / 6.0apg MVP (That?s the only thing Nash can match) NBA Finalist 6 all-star appearances (6 starts) (1 MVP) 2-Time Scoring Champ (Nash one-time Assists Leader) Allen Iverson might very well go down as the best small player to ever play the game of basketball. He?s been unstoppable every year throughout his career. He might even be the toughest player in the entire league and I don?t even think his tremendous heart he plays with every single game is in question. Right now he is better than Nash and always was. He is a true future Hall of Famer for sure.</div> hes had 2 all star mvp and one thing even though its not stat accomplishment he crossed up michael jordan pretty damn bad in his rookie year. he crossed up a 1st defensive team player and one of the best players of all time. i mean who else can say they have done taht
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">hes had 2 all star mvp and one thing even though its not stat accomplishment he crossed up michael jordan pretty damn bad in his rookie year. he crossed up a 1st defensive team player and one of the best players of all time. i mean who else can say they have done taht</div> Well I don't think that really matters. There have been plenty of good defensive players that have gotten crossed up, dunked on eyed and everything.
personally... MVP to me is a player "who gets the most out of his teammates". ex: Garnett last year, and noone got the most out of guyz like Richardson, Marion, Staudamire and even Joe Johnson than Nash. Yea.. Shaq made an impact on guyz like Damon Jones and Wade.. but Phoenix's record speaks for itself and let's not forget Phoenix plays West of the Mississippi.
^Exactly. Nash brought play making and borught the best out of guys who likely...make that definitely could not have the record they have without Nash. Shaq however, especially with the way he played early in the playoffs, didn't bring it out in every player. Also, when people use the argument(or call it the determining factor) to look at the team that each player left. I think its unfair. Kobe is stil in LA and should(IMO) be able to carry his team to some more wins, and they didn't(relatively) do much roster changes other tahn the Shaq trade. Dallas however, pretty much got a facelift and change their roster look. As for Nash, I believe he will eventuallyt be in the HOF, if he desreves it or not, or if he meets the Answer's accomplishments or not. [On a related note, is ther any Canadians in the Hall of Fame..other tahn say James Naismith?]. And for thsoe who Say AI is not HOF caliber, he is. He is one of the best players who actually has heart and passion for the game. Similarly, has the HAll of Fame ever snubbed anybody worthy of Hall of FAme status becasue of their off court troubles? I don't kno wmuch about the Hall or its inductees.
