Sorry for my long time being away from this site but I'm back for good now. I kinda got fed up being the only Bucks fan talking to myself, but I see we got a few more on here, so I'm back, and so will my previews come season.
Welcome back mate, should be an interesting offseason for the Bucks. In Redd they may hold the one big card that sets everything else rolling in terms of free-agency.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pwn3d!:</div><div class="quote_post">Welcome back mate, should be an interesting offseason for the Bucks. In Redd they may hold the one big card that sets everything else rolling in terms of free-agency.</div> whatever he decides to do figures to have quite a domino effect on the league. ray allen, flip murray, bobby simmons, etc, all are tied to what happens with redd. i'm just hoping we keep him!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Re: Redd One of the rumors I've heard is a sign and trade deal for Paul Pierce. Thoughts?</div> i would have no problem with that at all C Danny/Zaza PF Smith/2nd rd pick (linas kleiza? ) SF pierce/mase SG webster (1st rd pick)/mase PG mo will/ tj? that would give us the best set of wings in the NBA
i dont see that trade working exceptionally well for either team...redd will still be the main scorer on a mediocre team for boston, except with a tad better supporting cast in lafrentz, banks, blount, jefferson, etc...pierce will still be the man with milwaukee except for a worse (IMO) cast than he had in boston...so basically they'd be fulfilling the same roles, just for different teams...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont see that trade working exceptionally well for either team...redd will still be the main scorer on a mediocre team for boston, except with a tad better supporting cast in lafrentz, banks, blount, jefferson, etc...pierce will still be the man with milwaukee except for a worse (IMO) cast than he had in boston...so basically they'd be fulfilling the same roles, just for different teams...</div> could be. but think about this: in boston, until walker arrived for the second time, pierce was always the teams only legit scoring threat. unless ricky davis had a big game next to him, the celtics weren't great on offense. mason is at least as good an offensive option as davis, probably more consistent, and add to that a top 5-7 draft pick. assuming that the bucks don't completely screw up the pick (i'm assuming they grab green or webster), now they have pierce followed by two above average scoring threats. and mo williams is at least as good a scoring point as payton has been this year, and i would venture to say comparable on D, too. mo is still learning on D, however, and he's prone to a terrible game now and then. danny and zaza are bigs who can run, and joe smith can run a little too, so the team would be a good fit for pierce's open court abilities, as he could run the offense for stretches and allow mo to be a shooter. when the bucks played mike james and williams at the same time earlier this year, mo had some great stretches of offense. maybe pierce's presence would allow him to have similar stretches. that said, this rumor may well be just a rumor, and i won't get my hopes up. but i think pierce would be a good fit in milwaukee and would be an improvement over Redd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">i would have no problem with that at all C Danny/Zaza PF Smith/2nd rd pick (linas kleiza? ) SF pierce/mase SG webster (1st rd pick)/mase PG mo will/ tj? that would give us the best set of wings in the NBA </div> Why would Webster, a high schooler start over Mason, who's a proven player that can score and defend? Doesn't make sense. That's an insult to Dez. And best set of wing players in the NBA?...no.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would Webster, a high schooler start over Mason, who's a proven player that can score and defend? Doesn't make sense. That's an insult to Dez. And best set of wing players in the NBA?...no.</div> porter wants to have mason coming off the bench. that's the only reason i did that; obviously mase has earned a starting job and may very well keep it even if they do get a rook at the same position. and what group of wings would be better than pierce/mason/top 8 draft pick? you could make an argument for the suns, definitely. Richardson, johnson and jim jackson. but pierce is better than richardson, mase is better than johnson, and jackson and the rook are pretty much a wash. the mavs? finley is not as good as pierce, howard and mase are about equal, and marquis daniels is prolly equal with either of the rooks. i don't know who else would be better off the top of my head. who else do you think would be better? edit: actually, the nets' duo of carter and richardson may be better, but their depth would not be as strong.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">porter wants to have mason coming off the bench. that's the only reason i did that; obviously mase has earned a starting job and may very well keep it even if they do get a rook at the same position. and what group of wings would be better than pierce/mason/top 8 draft pick? you could make an argument for the suns, definitely. Richardson, johnson and jim jackson. but pierce is better than richardson, mase is better than johnson, and jackson and the rook are pretty much a wash. the mavs? finley is not as good as pierce, howard and mase are about equal, and marquis daniels is prolly equal with either of the rooks. i don't know who else would be better off the top of my head. who else do you think would be better? edit: actually, the nets' duo of carter and richardson may be better, but their depth would not be as strong.</div> It's Jefferson (I get mixed up too sometimes with his first name and last name). Depth really doesn't matter whenyou have 2 swingmen playing 40 MPG giving you near 45 PPG, all you need is a solid backup that can give you a few points like Buford. Obviously, if you talk about injuries, there's a factor, but I'm talking hypothetically. I'm curious how you know Martell Webster is better than Marquis Daniels at the NBA Level? You cannot just assume Webster will be an immediate impact that would make him better than someone like Marquis Daniels or Stackhouse. Their are many combinations of swingmen that are better and can match those that you have projected for the Bucks. The Nets (Carter, Jefferson, Buford,whoever--doesn't really matter), Wizards (Jamison, Hughes, Hayes/Dixon/Jefferies), Mavs (Finley, Stackhouse, Howard/Daniels), Pacers (Jackson, Artest, Jones), Utah (AK, Harpring, Bell/Snyder). I'm not really putting much into Webster right now because he's not proven to be a better player than the 3rd wing players I have named like Bell/Snyder, Fred Jones, Jefferies and Dixon.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">It's Jefferson (I get mixed up too sometimes with his first name and last name). Depth really doesn't matter whenyou have 2 swingmen playing 40 MPG giving you near 45 PPG, all you need is a solid backup that can give you a few points like Buford. Obviously, if you talk about injuries, there's a factor, but I'm talking hypothetically. I'm curious how you know Martell Webster is better than Marquis Daniels at the NBA Level? You cannot just assume Webster will be an immediate impact that would make him better than someone like Marquis Daniels or Stackhouse. Their are many combinations of swingmen that are better and can match those that you have projected for the Bucks. The Nets (Carter, Jefferson, Buford,whoever--doesn't really matter), Wizards (Jamison, Hughes, Hayes/Dixon/Jefferies), Mavs (Finley, Stackhouse, Howard/Daniels), Pacers (Jackson, Artest, Jones), Utah (AK, Harpring, Bell/Snyder). I'm not really putting much into Webster right now because he's not proven to be a better player than the 3rd wing players I have named like Bell/Snyder, Fred Jones, Jefferies and Dixon.</div> you made some good points there man. i was comparing webster to daniels in style, not in terms of how good he'll be right out of the box. i think that he can be at least as good as daniels. i guess i'm a guy who puts a lot of stock into having depth. it's great to have vince carter and richard jefferson (i can't believe i said the wrong name ), but as we found this year, if one of those guys gets hurt, it can cripple a team, or at the very least make it very difficult to sustain success. i guess i was a bit hasty in proclaiming those guys the best trio in the league. i'd rather have a big man (like i said in my other thread), anyways!
Great to see you back Gmanspack! You were missing in action for so long, I thought you abandoned us here in JBB!
Good to finally see some activity going in the Bucks forum. I just had one quick question. In my opinion, I wouldn't think that a Redd for Pierce sign and trade deal would necessarily be a good deal value wise for Boston. Pierce is a more multi-dimensional player and brings more fire to a team with his leadership and vocalness. He is also a more clutch player than Redd is. If there is indeed such a deal being discussed, would you guys think that someone else would have to be included as well? I could see the Celtics demanding either TJ or Mo to be long term replacements to Payton when he retires. Any opinions?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Good to finally see some activity going in the Bucks forum. I just had one quick question. In my opinion, I wouldn't think that a Redd for Pierce sign and trade deal would necessarily be a good deal value wise for Boston. Pierce is a more multi-dimensional player and brings more fire to a team with his leadership and vocalness. He is also a more clutch player than Redd is. If there is indeed such a deal being discussed, would you guys think that someone else would have to be included as well? I could see the Celtics demanding either TJ or Mo to be long term replacements to Payton when he retires. Any opinions?</div> That's sort of what I was thinking Pierce is an established star. He's proven his mettle in the playoffs. He's a versatile player who averages close to 23 points, 7 boards and 5 dimes per game. Redd, while a very good scorer, is not great in any other category. A team can run its offense through Pierce, and you can't say the same for Redd. I don't know why Boston would make this trade, really. Pierce has grown up with the team, become a star with the team, and is in the middle of his prime. I don't know why you'd give up a guy like that but I'd love to see him in purple and green Another sticking point I see in the possible acquisition of Pierce is his contract. While Redd would most likely command a max deal (or very close to it) on the open market, Pierce already is making $15 million. By taking on his contract, it would potentially make it tough on the Bucks to re-sign both of our young bigs (Danny and Zaza). That makes me kind of nervous, because if we don't keep them, it puts even more pressure on whoever we draft (if we draft a big man) to step right in and play at a high level. I guess while it would be nice to have a star like Pierce on the team, it's also possible that it would detract from our ability to build a complete, competitive team. From the Celtics' perspective, they're already over the cap, and adding the type of contract that Redd is going to command, even if they get rid of Pierce at the same time, doesn't improve their cap situation. They've got a couple of bloated contracts on the books (including LaFrentz's $44 million over the next 4 years and Blount making $33.5 over the next 5. oh yeah, Vin Baker is still owed $5.3 million the next two years ) and that complicates their ability to make any big trades. Plus, they still have the question of whether or not they re-sign Antoine Walker. The Celtics have a very good young team, but I'm not sure that adding a guy like Redd would be a step up for them. I think they'd be better off keeping Pierce and letting the kids grow up with him, and focusing on trading away some bad contract(s) in the offseason and maybe even re-signing Walker. But I'm not so well versed on the Celtics, so this is kind of an opinion from the sidelines
