Strike?????

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  1. olskoolfunktitude

    olskoolfunktitude JBB The Pig Pirate

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    meeeting got cancelled teusday.
    Stern downgraded outlook from "optimistic" to "hopeful"

    this is starting to get SCARY!!

    your thoughts
     
  2. Apollo

    Apollo JBB Into The Fire

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    I really don`t see any strike of any kind happening anytime soon. The NBA and its players already have square deals and seems much more organized than the NHL.
     
  3. nkwu

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    ^I am pretty sure almost all deals rely on the CBA, without the CBA, no matter how sound the deals, the season can't go on.

    With the way david stern wants an age limit, and other factors(not to mention genral laziness and lack of caring until the deadline - this goes for all leagues IMO), a strike can't be ruled out yet. IT's not as scary as the whole NHL one(damn, its a bit weird without hockey, no more hopeful leafs fans that can be disappointed), but don't count it out.
     
  4. Shapecity

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    Here are the 4 major issues why the sides cannot come to an agreement.

    1) the owners' proposal to reduce the amount of annual raises in a contract from 10 percent to 5 percent

    2) a "super luxury tax" that would more harshly penalize teams that spend more than a certain predetermined threshold

    3) the proposed minimum age requirement of 20 years old

    4) shorten guaranteed contracts from 6 & 7 years to 3 & 4 years

    These are all tough issues for them to hash out, and with the latest talks getting personal, I'm concerned a strike could happen. Out of these 4 issues I agree two changes need to be made.

    I'm all for the "super luxury tax" for teams going over cap space. Last year (according to Hoopshype.com figures) 26 out of 30 teams played this season with salaries exceeding the $43.3Million cap figure. Only 4 teams played with a roster under that amount, Utah Jazz, Atlanta Hawks, New Orleans Hornets, and Charlotte Bobcats. Those teams happened to be the four worst teams last year in the league. Imposing a super luxury tax should help preven teams like the New York Knicks ($105Million) and Dallas ($91Million) Mavericks to play with a roster that's more than double the salary cap figure.

    The other issue I agree with is shortening the guaranteed contracts. In fact, I wish there were no guaranteed contracts at all for the players. The players will not think it's fair, but as a fan I don't think it's fair to see a player get a huge contract and then not perform. I prefer to have no guarantees like the NFL does. If a player doesn't produce and earn his contract than they can cut the player and not tie down their franchise for the next 5 years. Shortening the guaranteed contracts prevents the Vin Baker's of the league to ride pine and earn $5Million to $6Million a year or a team like Philadelphia having to pay Todd MacCulloch an average of $6Million dollars for the next 3 years, even though he cannot play basketball anymore.

    The age limit I'm on the fence with, because the NBA needs to create a minor league system before they should impose this restriction. There is no guarantee having players come in at 20 versus 18, will improve the game of basketball. There have been plenty of letdowns from both players making the jump from high school, and players who stay in college for 4 years.

    The first issue is laughable, there is no reason for the owners to only want a maximum 5% pay raise. A maximum 10% raise is standard they should not spend too, much time negotiating this.
     
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    nkwu JBB shoehead

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    A minor leagues system is KEY for the league right now, it would be better than the NBDL IMO.

    As for the super luxury tax, before that ban be implememted is they have to raise the cap by a little bit, There's a reason why only 4 of 30 teams were under the cap.

    As for the contracts, I don't follow the NFL, but what you say shape sounds good, but the contracts should have a guaranteed time limit wih each one having a clasuse for if they don't perform. or something.
     
  6. Shapecity

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting nkwu:</div><div class="quote_post">A minor leagues system is KEY for the league right now, it would be better than the NBDL IMO.

    As for the super luxury tax, before that ban be implememted is they have to raise the cap by a little bit, There's a reason why only 4 of 30 teams were under the cap.

    As for the contracts, I don't follow the NFL, but what you say shape sounds good, but the contracts should have a guaranteed time limit wih each one having a clasuse for if they don't perform. or something.</div>

    The figure swirling around for the cap space next year is $50Million, which roughly $7Million more than this year's cap. This should help quite a few teams next year with an increased cap. You can add one or two solid players with the extra $7Million to spend without having to pay a luxury tax.

    The important thing right now is to just get the discussions going again and start making progress. They only have 6 weeks to work out a deal before the owners lock the players out. If a lock out occurs this means no NBA run summer leagues, which will impact the young players, new rookies, and other players trying to make a team in the off-season.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting American Poet:</div><div class="quote_post">I really don`t see any strike of any kind happening anytime soon. The NBA and its players already have square deals and seems much more organized than the NHL.</div>

    As a huge fan of the NHL, I can tell you that they aren't disorganized; they've just got their heads up their asses. [​IMG]


    I think that the NBA is just as well organized as the NHL, but the fact that the NHL has been locked out and has shown how crippling a lockout can be will be the wake up call that keeps the NBA from dissolving into similar anonymity. I would be very surprised if there was a lockout; the NBA knows that a lockout would do far more harm than it's worth, and will find some way to avoid it.
     
  8. olskoolfunktitude

    olskoolfunktitude JBB The Pig Pirate

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    what makes you believe that?? Sure the NHL strike COULD theoretically be seen as a wakeup call to the NBA but shouldnt have all the other strikes that came before have been a wake up call to the NHL before that happened? The MLB strike in 94? the NBA lockout in 98??? These people NEVER learn no matter how many times they screw themselves over because theyre just too GREEDy
     
  9. Shapecity

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    Yes GREED is the catalyst for this squabble and neither side is putting the best interests of the fans and the game of basketball in front of the might dollar. I'm favoring the owners at this point. The NBA players have it better than any of the other two major sports, MLB and the NFL. I believe they have the highest salary average, and their contracts are guaranteed through lack of performance or injury. At the end of the day these players need to realize they are making ridiculous money to play a sport they supposedly 'love.' There are thousands of other people around the world who would jump at the opportunity to play in the NBA. I think lowering the length of guaranteed contracts will give a lot of these players a wake up call. I'm tired of seeing players only give their best effort in a contract year, get overpaid and then coast through the rest of the contract, then have their minutes cut, then complain about it. Yes Vin Baker you are exhibit A in the malcontent player movement of the NBA.
     
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    olskoolfunktitude JBB The Pig Pirate

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    exhibit B: Mark "im-big-dumb-and-useless" BLOUNT
     
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    I thought MLB made paid players the highest...but that's beside the point.

    I like lowering the length of guaranteed contracts, but not utright eliminating them. WHen it ocmes down to it, I personally don't think the two sides should take that long to negotiate the numbers, it is obvious(atleast from my point of view) that the numbers for a good compromise are easily known. The only thing that is tough(well, again from my point of vieew as an objective party) will be the age limit. Maybe they should pull an OHL(some ontario person explain this for me) where they allow "exceptional" players to declare for the draft. However, this would take time and more of the league's money. The process they take is to interview the people(teachers, friends, employers) about hte player, observe his respective sport's accomplishments and then a panel decides whethre or not to let im in the league. (I think thats how it goes, either way, a system like that should be around as a compormise for hte age limit)
     
  12. JuLiO-R-

    JuLiO-R- JBB The Same One

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    I heard this on TV somewhere.

    "It's Millionaires vs Billionaires"

    All about money. It's rediculous in my opinion.

    They better make a deal fast because the NBA will lose alot of money if they have a lockout. And I know these greedy businessmen dont like losing money.
     
  13. Run BJM

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    I read that one agent says that Summer League is definately cancelled but no neither side cares because of the cost to run Summer League, he said that it would be done before the regular season. Of course this is just one opinion but it brings hope to us fans. This is definately all about the money, its really sickening.
     
  14. phunky420

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes GREED is the catalyst for this squabble and neither side is putting the best interests of the fans and the game of basketball in front of the might dollar. I'm favoring the owners at this point. The NBA players have it better than any of the other two major sports, MLB and the NFL. I believe they have the highest salary average, and their contracts are guaranteed through lack of performance or injury. At the end of the day these players need to realize they are making ridiculous money to play a sport they supposedly 'love.' There are thousands of other people around the world who would jump at the opportunity to play in the NBA. I think lowering the length of guaranteed contracts will give a lot of these players a wake up call. I'm tired of seeing players only give their best effort in a contract year, get overpaid and then coast through the rest of the contract, then have their minutes cut, then complain about it. Yes Vin Baker you are exhibit A in the malcontent player movement of the NBA.</div>
    Agreed! You would have more players playing like steve nash, AFTER, getting a huge contract because he wants to prove he deserves the money.
     
  15. Shapecity

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting JuLiO-R-:</div><div class="quote_post">I heard this on TV somewhere.

    "It's Millionaires vs Billionaires"

    All about money. It's rediculous in my opinion.

    They better make a deal fast because the NBA will lose alot of money if they have a lockout. And I know these greedy businessmen dont like losing money.</div>

    The owners could care less about losing money from the NBA teams they own. They are willing to sit things out to gain a higher revenue share or have more control over players. Owning an NBA team is not their primary source of revenue, it's just a luxury for them to own. Besides if they lose money they just use it as a tax writeoff.

    The people who really get hurt by the lockout money wise are the vendors and other people who work in the stadium or promoting the team.

    I wasn't aware Summer League was already cancelled, that's a real shame. Those are some of the rare chances you get to see a young rookie showcase their skills and get a look at some possible sleepers making the league.
     
  16. NSavic

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    Strike means that the players will not play till they get a new CBA


    Lockout means that the owners will lock the players out of their arenas so they can't play untill a new CBA is made. And this is the one that will happen, a lockout.

    As i said in a previouse topic, i do see a lockout happening , however it will last about a month, IMO.
     
  17. Shapecity

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    I also see a lockout happening and if it does, it's going to be longer than a month. Last night David Stern basically said, this is the best offer the owners plan to make, and if the Union prolongs it past the July 1st deadline, then the same deal won't be available. David Stern is not one to bluff, and if the Union's job is to act in the best interest of the players, they better hammer out the deal in the next 5 weeks.
     
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    As a fan of the NBA, Im gonna be pissed if there is a lockout. THINK ABOUT THE FANS FIRST YOU IDIOTS! WE MAKE YOU WHAT YOU ARE!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">As a fan of the NBA, Im gonna be pissed if there is a lockout. THINK ABOUT THE FANS FIRST YOU IDIOTS! WE MAKE YOU WHAT YOU ARE!</div>

    I also think the NBA cannot survive a lockout. I know I cant. lol. If they go through a lockout, this sport is going to have the same fate as hockey (if you can call that a sport in the first place). I really hope they work out a deal.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ksc6000:</div><div class="quote_post">if you can call that a sport in the first place.</div>
    wow? what kind of comment is that? If Jbb had a vote for the worst comment this would be it.


    Anyways, i think NBA has a much stronger fan base then hockey does, i do think they would be able to survive a lockout.
     

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