Thurman Thomas Michael Irvin Bruce Matthews Gene Hickerson Charlie Sanders Roger Wehrli I'm very happy to see Irvin and Thomas in the Hall of Fame. I thought both big reasons why their teams were very good. Art Monk gets snubbed again. I would've put him in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I'm very happy to see Irvin and Thomas in the Hall of Fame.</div> You're happy to see Michael Irvin in the hall of fame? And you call yourself a Packers fan... You, sir, are dead to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I'm very happy to see Irvin and Thomas in the Hall of Fame.</div> You're happy to see Michael Irvin in the hall of fame? And you call yourself a Packers fan... You, sir, are dead to me. </div> I?ve always like the university of Miami. They?re kind of the ACC/Big East (at one time) team I root for and Irvin is from the U. No one can deny how good Irvin was. I rather see the Hall of Fame put in players who deserve to make it rather than guys like Joe Namath or Lynn Swann.
I'm not opposed to Irvin getting in eventually, but putting him in before Art Monk is just a joke. Monk has more catches, more yards, more TDs and also has three Superbowl rings. At the time he retired, he had the most receptions in NFL history and was in the top 3 in all time yards. The voters have short memories, apparently.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not opposed to Irvin getting in eventually, but putting him in before Art Monk is just a joke. Monk has more catches, more yards, more TDs and also has three Superbowl rings. At the time he retired, he had the most receptions in NFL history and was in the top 3 in all time yards. The voters have short memories, apparently.</div> Monk played 16 years and Irvin played 12 years. Monk has about 200 catches more, 800 more yards and only 3 more touchdowns. I would've put both of them in but Irvin did almost as much as Monk "stat" wise in fewer time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would've put both of them in but Irvin did almost as much as Monk "stat" wise in fewer time.</div> Yeah, yeah, yeah... Everyone always brings up Irvin's "injury shortened career." To which I always say, go compare Irvin's numbers to Sterling Sharpe's and tell me why Sharpe isn't in the HOF. I could also point out Irvin playing his whole career with a Hall of Fame QB and the NFL's all time leading rusher, but I won't bother.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would've put both of them in but Irvin did almost as much as Monk "stat" wise in fewer time.</div> Yeah, yeah, yeah... Everyone always brings up Irvin's "injury shortened career." To which I always say, go compare Irvin's numbers to Sterling Sharpe's and tell me why Sharpe isn't in the HOF. I could also point out Irvin playing his whole career with a Hall of Fame QB and the NFL's all time leading rusher, but I won't bother.</div> Monk played for a Hall of Fame Head coach and had guys like Gary Clarke around him on offense as well. I don't know how anyone could argue against Irvin from what he did on the field. Maybe what he did off the field one could argue he shouldn't get in this early but on the field the guy was probably the 3rd best receiver of the 90's behind Rice and Carter. I completely agree with you about Sterling Sharpe. Had he stayed healthy I honestly think Green Bay may of won Super Bowl XXXII. Who knows how good that team and Brett Favre would've been with Sharpe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe what he did off the field one could argue he shouldn't get in this early but on the field the guy was probably the 3rd best receiver of the 90's behind Rice and Carter.</div> Don't forget Tim Brown...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Thurman Thomas Michael Irvin Bruce Matthews Gene Hickerson Charlie Sanders Roger Wehrli I'm very happy to see Irvin and Thomas in the Hall of Fame. I thought both big reasons why their teams were very good. Art Monk gets snubbed again. I would've put him in.</div> whatever. Again, the Hall has no punter. Ray Guy, *the greatest punter to ever play in the NFL* gets snubbed once again. Guy invented "Hang Time". You people are absolutely out of your mind when you say that Irvin the crackhead should get into the Hall before him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Thurman Thomas Michael Irvin Bruce Matthews Gene Hickerson Charlie Sanders Roger Wehrli I'm very happy to see Irvin and Thomas in the Hall of Fame. I thought both big reasons why their teams were very good. Art Monk gets snubbed again. I would've put him in.</div> whatever. Again, the Hall has no punter. Ray Guy, *the greatest punter to ever play in the NFL* gets snubbed once again. Guy invented "Hang Time". You people are absolutely out of your mind when you say that Irvin the crackhead should get into the Hall before him.</div> I'll second ROTR's feelings about Ray Guy. He was the greatest and should be in the Hall.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Thurman Thomas Michael Irvin Bruce Matthews Gene Hickerson Charlie Sanders Roger Wehrli I'm very happy to see Irvin and Thomas in the Hall of Fame. I thought both big reasons why their teams were very good. Art Monk gets snubbed again. I would've put him in.</div> whatever. Again, the Hall has no punter. Ray Guy, *the greatest punter to ever play in the NFL* gets snubbed once again. Guy invented "Hang Time". You people are absolutely out of your mind when you say that Irvin the crackhead should get into the Hall before him.</div> Who said Irvin should get in before Ray Guy? You really think Irvin is the only "crackhead" in the Hall of Fame? I think Guy should of been in by now as well. I thought the final spot would come down to Ray Guy, Derrick Thomas, and Paul Tagliabue. I was really shocked that one of those 3 did not get in.
I wonder if these voters, like Congress, have lobbyists taking them out to dinner or something, because Ray Guy is not putting in the time to sway these voters. No one can offer an explanation as to why there are no punters in the hall.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if these voters, like Congress, have lobbyists taking them out to dinner or something, because Ray Guy is not putting in the time to sway these voters. No one can offer an explanation as to why there are no punters in the hall.</div> The greatest punter ever <u>is</u> in the HOF. Sammy Baugh ... he also played a little DB and QB.
Sammy Baugh's 45.1 career punting average is still the second best in NFL history even though he had to be tired playing both ways and not just resting between punts like todays punters. His single season punting average of 51.4, a record set in 1940, <u>still stands</u>. That said, I still think Ray Guy should be in. He was an awesome punter. The best I've ever seen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>No punters in HOF ever. Just my opinion. I would rather see football players get in.</div> You're probably one of those guys who plays Madden and never punts. Am I right? lol
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>No punters in HOF ever. Just my opinion. I would rather see football players get in.</div> You're probably one of those guys who plays Madden and never punts. Am I right? lol</div> That's KCGSC on Super Techmo Bowl. I miss that game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Sammy Baugh's 45.1 career punting average is still the second best in NFL history even though he had to be tired playing both ways and not just resting between punts like todays punters. His single season punting average of 51.4, a record set in 1940, <u>still stands</u>. That said, I still think Ray Guy should be in. He was an awesome punter. The best I've ever seen.</div> Yeah, arena league players play both ways too. Not a big deal, if you ask me. These days, teams have 53 men on their rosters. They can afford to specialize, and I think teams are better for having specialized their players. That is for another topic thread, so back to Guy. Consider, for a moment, that punting a ball *higher* into the air, and putting it inside the 20 yard-line are much more valuable to a team than simply line-driving it into the other endzone as far as you can kick it. When a Ray Guy punt stays in the air for up to 6 seconds, your coverage team has plenty of time to get in position for a tackle, a takeaway, or catching the punt outright. ************* http://www.rayguy.net "I go in there to kick for the Raiders. If I have to kick a 32-yarder, I'll kick a 32-yarder. I'll do my best to help us win the game. I'm not concerned about statistics. I know what I can do and my teammates know." RAY GUY- Oakland Tribune (1980 Season) "Punting was the television commercial of football - until Ray Guy came along."-- Mike Zampa - NFL "Pro Magazine" Ray Guy Fact Sheet: NFL 75th ANNIVERSARY ALL-TIME TEAM MEMBER (Chosen by a selection committee of media and league personnel in 1994.) SUPER BOWL SILVER ANNIVERSARY TEAM MEMBER (Chosen by the fans in 1990 prior to Super Bowl XXV.) 1970's ALL-DECADE TEAM MEMBER (All-Decade teams chosen by the Hall of Fame Selection Committee members.) ALL-TIME NFL TEAM MEMBER (Chosen by members of the Hall of Fame Selection Committee in 2000 for the book NFL?s GREATEST) AFL-NFL 1960-1984 ALL-STAR TEAM MEMBER (Chosen by the Hall of Fame Selection Committee in 1985.) "He's the first punter you could look at and say, He won games." ? --- Joe Horrigan - Pro Football Hall of Fame Historian -First Pure Punter Drafted in the 1st Round (23rd player overall). -Played in seven Pro Bowls (six consecutively) - most ever for a punter! -Played in seven AFC Championship Games. -Played in three Super Bowl wins punting 14 times (tied for 3rd for most Super Bowl punts in a career) including a 41.9 average (3rd highest average recorded for a career). -Led NFL in Punting three times. -NFL Postseason Record for most punts in a career with 111 punts. -NFL Postseason Record for Highest Punting Average in a game with 56.0 average. (This record includes a 71yard punt - the 3rd Longest Postseason punt in NFL history). "He was an expert in the arcane area of "hang time," the precious time the ball was in the air, allowing the coverage to assemble around the returner. If you accept the idea in physics that there is only so much energy to propel a kick, Guy was willing to sacrifice distance for height." -- Greg Garber, Author of "Inside Football" -- Award-Winning Investigative Sports Journalist and ESPN Football Commentator -Pro Bowl Record for most punts in a career with 33 punts. -First Pure Punter Nominated for Pro Football Hall of Fame. -Listed as one of 300 Greatest Players in NFL History by the Official Encyclopedia of the National Football League - Total Football II. -First Punter to win the Golden Toe Award (presented by Pro Football Weekly). -"Hang-time" came into the NFL lexicon during his tenure. One of his punts hit the hanging scoreboard in the Louisiana Superdome. Another was tested for "helium!" -Doubled as teams' emergency quarterback with strong, accurate passing arm. "Those who earn their living in pro football say he's the finest punter in the history of the world." - "The Sporting News" MODEL OF CONSISTENCY: -Never missed a game (Played in 207 consecutive games in 14 year career). -No blocked kicks in his first five NFL seasons. Had only three of 1049 punts blocked in his career. (Finished career with streak of 619 unblocked boots.) -Placed an astonishing 57 punts inside 20-yard line during 1984-85 seasons. -Averaged under 40 yards per punt only once in entire career. (42.4 career average). "I was never much on hang time until we got Ray. But then we started clocking how long his punt hung up in the air. Sometimes he kept it up there as long as six seconds!" - John Madden, ABC Monday Night Football /Former Coach
