2012 Election NOT a rebuke of conservatism

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  1. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    According to Palin
    I respectfully disagree:

    - same-sex marriage approved in Maine, Maryland and Washington
    - rejection of amendment in Minnasota that defined marriage as between one man and one woman
    - election of the first openly gay senator, Tammy Baldwin, in Wisconsin
    - election of the first Buddhist senator, Mazie Hirono, in Hawaii
    - election of the first hindu representative, Tulsi Gabbard, also Hawaii
    - rejection of Citizen's United in Colorado and Montana
    - rejection of anti-Obamacare healthcare amendment in Florida
    - rejection a proposal to ban insurance coverage for abortion in Florida
    - leaglization of recreational use of marijuana in colorado and Washington

    Oddly enough Californians (arguably the most liberal state) voted against mandatory lableing of genetically modified foods and to keep the death penalty but they did vote to raise income and sales tax and rejected a proposition to limit union contributions to political campaigns.
     
  2. donkiez

    donkiez Well-Known Member

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    Palin is a good representation for everything that is currently wrong with the the republican party.

    The GMO food labeling rejection in Cali is kind of surprising but I dont think the average person is informed about the potential issues with GMO food. The union limiting rejection isnt surprising though, they make up a huge portion of the democrats funding.
     
  3. BLAZER PROPHET

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    To me, Palin is an accidental person. She was elected to be gov of Alaska in a fluke and then McCain tried to make her a relevant person on a national level. She strikes me as a somewhat ditzy person who was accidentlly thrust in the limelight and became the left's spkesperson for the right. Similar to Biden.
     
  4. Spud147

    Spud147 Mercy Mercy

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    That's the thing, the Republican party just keeps making these huge fatal errors in their campaigns. Choosing Palin as a running mate killed McCain's campaign and nominating a Mormon killed this one. They just appear to be incredibly clueless.

    I personally felt there had to be much better VP candidates in 2008 and they were just picking her because they thought it would appeal to women. It was a very obvious marketing plan and, again, I'm smart enough to think for myself. I don't care if the VP is a woman... I care that the VP is competent.

    With a Mormon nominee you basically eliminate this choice for me just like nominating a Muslim would. One of Mitt's religion's core beliefs is that woman and "brown" people are inferior. He was a very scary dude to me.
     
  5. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    WHAT?!! WAIT!! Obama's not a muslim?!? :MARIS61:
     
  6. Spud147

    Spud147 Mercy Mercy

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    From what I understand he's a Muslim, Christian, AND a Communist. :smiley-195517897341:smiley-195517897341:smiley-195517897341
     
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I respectfully suggest not one thing on your list has anything to do with conservatism. It's called a straw man. You set it up and knocked it down really well!
     
  8. DaLincolnJones

    DaLincolnJones Well-Known Member

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    yeah.. I could not find anything in that list I gave a fuck about..

    Palin is not the head of the GOP..
     
  9. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    So you agree with Palin?
     
  10. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    No, but she does represent a portion of the conservative demographic.
     
  11. DaLincolnJones

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    I knew you would go there, she would be as much of an influence as rev wright is to the Dems
     
  12. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Everything on your list wasn't a big concern for me and I'm Republican.
     
  13. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    Do you consider yourself a conservative?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    hmmm that's a good question really. If the democrats had the Republican fiscal views; I would probably be a democrat. So maybe I consider myself a moderate? Maybe you can call me a fence straddler.
     
  15. Denny Crane

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    Conservatives are not religious people. Religious people might be conservative.

    Do you see religion mentioned anywhere in the definition below?

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

    Definition of CONSERVATISM

    1 capitalized
    a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
    b : the Conservative party
    2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established
    b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
    3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
     
  16. Mediocre Man

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    You sound like a libertarian to me, Mags. Or maybe even a centrist. A good number of Republicans probably are libertarian
     
  17. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I gave you one answer, but I have another as well.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar..._case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106.html

    This is a question I raised yesterday, no? If 10M Conservative/Republican voters stayed home, unmoved by Romney as candidate, does that mean Conservatism is dead, or does it mean Conservatism rejected Romney?

    Back to your question. So is actual Conservatism dead? I have though so for several years, but the Tea Party movement that talks about fiscal sanity ONLY, I think not. Consider:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...tical_plus_32_of_democrats_say_same_of_occupy

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 44% of Likely U.S. Voters hold at least a somewhat favorable view of Tea Party activists, while 49% share an unfavorable opinion of them. This includes 23% with a Very Favorable view and 29% with a Very Unfavorable one.

    (Republicans need to separate the fiscal conservative message of the Tea Party from any social agenda, IMO)
     
  18. bluefrog

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  19. Denny Crane

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    NO. As I said in my more recent post, it was likely more a rebuke of Romney.
     
  20. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    I don't think a national candidate can win on a platform of individual financial responsibility. Americans have lived under the two Santa Clauses for two generations now.
     

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