Game Thread 2022-23 GAME #52 - BLAZERS @ WIZARDS - FEBRUARY 3, 2023 - FRIDAY - 4:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

[wizenheimer]

new orleans pelicans played a lot of games without zion & ingram at the same time and phoenix played a lot of games without booker & cam johnson at the same time, so one can see why they started losing a lot of games

ingram is back and when they get zion back, they will start winning again and phoenix got cam johnson back and theyre already better, but when they get booker back, they will be much better

without injuries to their key players, we would be nowhere near top 4 and i just cant see us being in a top 6, new orleans pelicans & phoenix will move up in the standings, gsw will be better than us too, its play-in at best for us

still, watching us play this season, its hard to be optimistic, if we dont get in the play-in, it wouldnt be a surprise

* Dame has missed 12 games
* Nurkic has missed 7 and is likely to miss twice that, at minimum
* Winslow has missed 23
* Little has missed 21
* Payton has missed 40
* Ant-Grant-Hart-Eubanks have missed 9 combined

26 games missed by starters and 112 missed by rotation players are kind of significant numbers. It's not like the Blazers have been injury free. Yes. other teams have been hit harder, but the Blazers have definitely been hit

 

[Fairly-Hard]

* Dame has missed 12 games
* Nurkic has missed 7 and is likely to miss twice that, at minimum
* Winslow has missed 23
* Little has missed 21
* Payton has missed 40
* Ant-Grant-Hart-Eubanks have missed 9 combined

26 games missed by starters and 112 missed by rotation players are kind of significant numbers. It's not like the Blazers have been injury free. Yes. other teams have been hit harder, but the Blazers have definitely been hit

This Winslow ankle injury is just crazy? Been 6 weeks at this point.
Have to admit he is dressing well though.

 

[Mr. Robot]

* Dame has missed 12 games
* Nurkic has missed 7 and is likely to miss twice that, at minimum
* Winslow has missed 23
* Little has missed 21
* Payton has missed 40
* Ant-Grant-Hart-Eubanks have missed 9 combined

26 games missed by starters and 112 missed by rotation players are kind of significant numbers. It's not like the Blazers have been injury free. Yes. other teams have been hit harder, but the Blazers have definitely been hit

difference is, fully healthy new orleans pelicans & phoenix suns are undoubtedly better teams than fully healthy portland trail blazers

our 10-4 start was great, but after that they showed thats not who they really are, but on the other hand, both new orleans pelicans & phoenix suns showed theyre top 4 teams in the western conference

lets just not compare our injuries to new orleans pelicans or phoenix suns injuries, zion missed 24 and ingram missed 34 games, thats their two best players who are also best scorers on the team... booker missed 25 games, cp3 missed 21 games, cam johnson missed 39 games, thats their best player who is also their best scorer, their best playmaker and one of their key pieces, all of whom are starters

imagine our record if dame & ant/grant missed that many games

 

[wizenheimer]

This Winslow ankle injury is just crazy? Been 6 weeks at this point.
Have to admit he is dressing well though.

high ankle sprains can take a while, but it is getting ridiculous

of course, if it's true there's a Winslow for Vanderbilt trade on the horizon. maybe the Blazers aren't wanting to risk a recurred ankle sprain

 

[wizenheimer]

difference is, fully healthy new orleans pelicans & phoenix suns are undoubtedly better teams than fully healthy portland trail blazers

our 10-4 start was great, but after that they showed thats not who they really are, but on the other hand, both new orleans pelicans & phoenix suns showed theyre top 4 teams in the western conference

lets just not compare our injuries to new orleans pelicans injuries, zion missed 30 and ingram missed 34 games, thats their two best players, imagine our record if dame & ant/grant missed that many games

I'm not disputing that those teams are better, or at least have more & better balanced talent; better length as well. I will say that it looks like a "fully healthy Pelicans team" is purely fictional. Or, at best, maybe like a snow leopard: you rarely see it and if you do it vanishes for years

 

[Mr. Robot]

I'm not disputing that those teams are better, or at least have more & better balanced talent; better length as well. I will say that it looks like a "fully healthy Pelicans team" is purely fictional. Or, at best, maybe like a snow leopard: you rarely see it and if you do it vanishes for years

i edited my post, numbers werent correct and i also added more to it

 

[Fairly-Hard]

This is kind of a cool stat.

Simons could very likely surpass Dame before his career is over.

 

[andalusian]

how are we just 1.5 games behind HCA?

Nurk got hurt, so Chauncey ball has a chance

 

[illmatic99]

Nurk got hurt, so Chauncey ball has a chance

our defense has also cratered the last two weeks, but sure.

"chauncey ball" also looks awfully similar to "terry ball."

 

[Mr. Robot]

Nurk got hurt, so Chauncey ball has a chance

its funny, cause chauncey ball was at its best last season without dame, cj mccollum & powell

you know, when we started ant, hart, little, winslow & nurk, do you remember how that team played on both ends of the floor

do you remember games in milwaukee & memphis perhaps

 

[wizenheimer]

4 game sample sizes don't prove anything

 

[SlyPokerDog]

God this is going to be a long night

That Memphis upset win was such a joke lol

Another classic drug blazer fans are use to called “Hopium” lol

Watch blazers won’t score again lol

Yuk it just hit me we’re just the west version of the wizards

mediocrity

That Memphis win was such a fluke

That shit was a fluke

Josh Hart is officially trash to me get rid of his ass next week please

Man Ant is useless this game

Look at Dame. The only guy that kills for this pathetic franchise..

LOLZ!

 

[AldoTrapani]

LOLZ!

smh lol

 

[Mr. Robot]

4 game sample sizes don't prove anything

team without dame, cj mccollum & powell played how chauncey billups wanted them to play from the beginning of the season and we remember that even pre-season was terrible, they just didnt buy in

how do you explain that team that had starting line-up: ant, hart, little, winslow & nurk played much better than starting line-up: dame, cj mccollum, powell, covington & nurk or now: dame, ant, hart, grant & nurk

obviously, starting line-up: ant, hart, little, winslow & nurk had no enough talent, but they competed hard on both ends of the floor, they shared the ball & moved off the ball, that was chauncey ball in full effect

for all the talk that ant cant run the offense, he looked really good running our offense with nurk being our secondary playmaker and to me at least, ant feels more comfortable playing without dame than with dame

his play with and w/o dame cleary shows it, its not something i made up

 

[wizenheimer]

team without dame, cj mccollum & powell played how chauncey billups wanted them to play from the beginning of the season and we remember that even pre-season was terrible, they just didnt buy in

how do you explain that team that had starting line-up: ant, hart, little, winslow & nurk played much better than starting line-up: dame, cj mccollum, powell, covington & nurk or now: dame, ant, hart, grant & nurk

obviously, starting line-up: ant, hart, little, winslow & nurk had no enough talent, but they competed hard on both ends of the floor, they shared the ball & moved off the ball, that was chauncey ball in full effect

for all the talk that ant cant run the offense, he looked really good running our offense with nurk being our secondary playmaker and to me at least, ant feels more comfortable playing without dame than with dame

his play with and w/o dame cleary shows it, its not something i made up

as I said....it was way too small a sample size to gauge anything except personal bias

 

[Whyachi]

loved "hopium" comment.

 

[Mr. Robot]

as I said....it was way too small a sample size to gauge anything except personal bias

im not talking about 4 game winning streak before all-star break

im taling about all games played without dame, cj mccollum & powell, its not about winning and losing, its about playing style on both ends of the floor, about effort

this team was top 1o on offense two times, but at the same time, they were bottom 10 on defense and while they were top 10 on defense two times, at the same time they were bottom 10 on offense

they are obviously capable of being a top 10 offensive and defensive team, but not at the same time it appears

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

im not talking about 4 game winning streak before all-star break

im taling about all games played without dame, cj mccollum & powell, its not about winning and losing, its about playing style on both ends of the floor, about effort

this team was top 1o on offense two times, but at the same time, they were bottom 10 on defense and while they were top 10 on defense two times, at the same time they were bottom 10 on offense

they are obviously capable of being a top 10 offensive and defensive team, but not at the same time it appears

If you could show all games that we played with Anf and without Lillard, CJ and Powell, that might show something if there was at least 20 games. But I wouldn't know how to find those games.....

 

[wizenheimer]

If you could show all games that we played with Anf and without Lillard, CJ and Powell, that might show something if there was at least 20 games. But I wouldn't know how to find those games.....

I don't think there's much at all about last season that will tell you anything about Chauncey-ball. Dame was injured and trying to play thru it, while Powell was playing at SF. And half of the season was a tank job. It was a throw-away season when the opposing teams didn't have to work at defensive resistance.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I don't think there's much at all about last season that will tell you anything about Chauncey-ball. Dame was injured and trying to play thru it, while Powell was playing at SF. And half of the season was a tank job. It was a throw-away season when the opposing teams didn't have to work at defensive resistance.

I thought maybe there were some games before last season also?

 

[wizenheimer]

I thought maybe there were some games before last season also?

we're talking about Chancey's schemes and how players fit into them

I heard for years how great CJ was Dame didn't play; and that meant if CJ could get his own team, without Dame, he'd be an all-star. I always thought it was horseshit

CJ has his own team, without Dame, now. And with Ingram and Zion having missed 58 games combined, CJ has definitely been 'the man'. He's averaging more than 2 more FGA's than either Zion or Ingram. So then, how is CJ performing this year without being bogged down by Dame?





his FG%, 3ptFG%. eFG%, PER (career low as a starter), TS%, winshare/48, and BPM, are all below his career averages. His assist rate is at a career high, but his turnover rate, unsurprisingly, is way over his norm (burden of running an offense is not easy). These are not all-star numbers

probably indicating that drawing conclusions from these sporadic, isolated, games, and tiny sample sizes is not a good idea

 

[Tince]

we're talking about Chancey's schemes and how players fit into them

I heard for years how great CJ was Dame didn't play; and that meant if CJ could get his own team, without Dame, he'd be an all-star. I always thought it was horseshit

CJ has his own team, without Dame, now. And with Ingram and Zion having missed 58 games combined, CJ has definitely been 'the man'. He's averaging more than 2 more FGA's than either Zion or Ingram. So then, how is CJ performing this year without being bogged down by Dame?

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his FG%, 3ptFG%. eFG%, PER (career low as a starter), TS%, winshare/48, and BPM, are all below his career averages. His assist rate is at a career high, but his turnover rate, unsurprisingly, is way over his norm (burden of running an offense is not easy). These are not all-star numbers

probably indicating that drawing conclusions from these sporadic, isolated, games, and tiny sample sizes is not a good idea

All that data isn't going to fit the narrative being pushed.

 

[Strenuus]

All that data isn't going to fit the narrative being pushed.

It's never stopped fox news.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

we're talking about Chancey's schemes and how players fit into them

I heard for years how great CJ was Dame didn't play; and that meant if CJ could get his own team, without Dame, he'd be an all-star. I always thought it was horseshit

CJ has his own team, without Dame, now. And with Ingram and Zion having missed 58 games combined, CJ has definitely been 'the man'. He's averaging more than 2 more FGA's than either Zion or Ingram. So then, how is CJ performing this year without being bogged down by Dame?

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his FG%, 3ptFG%. eFG%, PER (career low as a starter), TS%, winshare/48, and BPM, are all below his career averages. His assist rate is at a career high, but his turnover rate, unsurprisingly, is way over his norm (burden of running an offense is not easy). These are not all-star numbers

probably indicating that drawing conclusions from these sporadic, isolated, games, and tiny sample sizes is not a good idea

I'm not really invested in this discussion but is that a different BPM than is shown in your chart, because that shows his BPM being significantly better with NO.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm not really invested in this discussion but is that a different BPM than is shown in your chart, because that shows his BPM being significantly better with NO.

His BPM last season with NO was excellent (4.6), which is why his overall BPM with NO is 2.4. But his BPM this season is 1.2, which is equal to his career average with is, and below his overall career average of 1.3.

 

[THE HCP]

• Agreed that he talks about Ant like he's his own son. He can do no wrong in his eyes. And he clearly wants people to think highly of Ant, but doesn't realize his over-the-top review of him makes most dismiss the praise even when it's valid.
• Because he's such a USC honk, he tends to over-value Trojans and have hatrid towards former Oregon players.
• While it's clear he thinks he's the smartest person in the room, what bugs me most about him is that he loves to cut people off and try to finish their sentence for them. So many times Sprague will wait for Danny to talk for 2-3 minutes, then attempt to make his point, only to be cut off again by Danny.

I guess not everyone can be perfect like us!

When I retire and I put out my book, you’ll really enjoy out “interactions” that took place last week!

 

[Tince]

When I retire and I put out my book, you’ll really enjoy out “interactions” that took place last week!

I want a signed hardback, first edition!