Since the Blazer news is a little slow at the moment, I wrote a program that takes the college stats of all NCAA players drafted since 2011 (that's over 750 college players) and compare them to the current draft picks. Keep in mind comps are definitely in the eye of the beholder. Of course, how you weigh the different categories plays heavily into the output. This program simply looks at the stats - it doesn't take into account the look and feel of the player. With that being said, here are a few players currently targeted for the Blazers by some of the leading mock drafts (and this board) - Who's your comp for your preferred Blazer pick?
Out of all these, Jase has the best players that he's compared to.... (not so coincidentally - he's my favorite out of the prospects you looked at).
you have Bradley Beal and Jase at the same 6'3" height? Beal was 6'3.25" w/o shoes; Jase was 6'0.5". Harris was 6'2.5". Mitchell was 6' 1.25'' with a wingspan of 6'10. Jase's wingspan was 6'6", four inches shorter. Mitchell also outweighed Jase by 33 pounds you also have McBride as an inch shorter than Jase, yet he was a half inch taller with a 2.75 longer reach these obviously aren't absolutely critical gauges but I wish but it sure seems that Jase is getting a lot of hedges in his favor
Agreed. I pulled all my data off of www.sports-reference.com. Trying to standardize data on height seems like a losing battle. At least we have more combine measurements nowadays.
So why not use the combine measurements instead of some crap website? Beal measured 2.75" taller then Jase Richardson at a his combine yet is listed here as the same height. Are we comparing who is lying the most? STOMP
As someone who doesn't like the idea of drafting a 6'0 guard, I was wrong about Edey. Many times an extremely skilled player can defy the naysayers. Will he be the best player drafted around his spot? I'm not sure. But I bet he'll end up pretty good at bare minimum. I like some other ideas at 16 but wouldn't be upset. I'd be disappointed drafting Jase at 11 for sure.
Maybe you should run this analysis the way you want? Seems like a ton of effort 42N went through, using a bunch of different data sources understanding would make this exponentially more difficult.
I mean it's pretty unexciting when you get to the back of the lottery in this draft and Jase is an exciting scorer so it makes sense. I've been on board with drafting him if he's the BPA. I don't want us to reach for him because of the hype if he's not - but I don't want to avoid him like some posters here who are fearful of CJ's ghost.
I appreciate your reasoning here, I just don't buy into the idea of BPA. It's too subjective. What criteria do they use to rank BPA? Is team need part of the equation? Team fit? Plus, when the draft is over and the press conferences start, you can guarantee every GM is gonna say they got their guy and they're over the moon, which nobody will know if that's blowing smoke or not. Unless somebody gets a pic of a team's big board, which still can't be trusted.
in my subjective opinion, BPA means highest potential upside regardless of fit or team need but there is still some subjective wiggle room with that too as teams assess individual situations and project their careers. Maybe a player has had a late growth spurt and is still filling out and gaining coordination/strength? Maybe the team feels a player hasn't benefited from good coaching thus far and could reach another level with improved skills like better mechanics on a jump shot? Maybe diet and conditioning has been an issue and the player is believed to be open to changing that? I can think of HOF type great players who fell in the draft fitting each those scenarios STOMP
Thanks for doing that. Coward is probably my favorite at 11. And part of the reason is his size. I see him listed at the combine at 213 lbs and, of course, his 7'2" wingspan. Klay was listed at 205 at the combine (and only had a 6'9" wingspan). I'm not sure who CC's best comp is, but I'll try to come up with someone. Edit: I know some of you will laugh at this comparison, and I am not saying it is a perfect comp, but when I watch Coward's highlights, I get a Bernard King vibe when he shoots. Of course, I do not expect him to ever reach that level on offense.
I agree he went thru a ton of effort IMO, either he needed to delete heights from the comparison or actually use what measured heights there have been in pre-draft. BBREF says Jase is 6'3 which is blessing him with an extra 2.5". I found actual heights, w/o shoes, for 5 of the 6 players in the Jase comparison; Monk the exception the database at https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro is pretty easy to use. You just have to know the draft year of specific players. Too bad there's no searchable database where you can just enter a player's name; maybe there is and I haven't found it I remember the NBA a few years ago tried to get teams to list actual heights, w/o shoes, of players. That lasted for less than a year until the League gave up and now it's back to total fiction on player heights *********************************************************************** some other data on Jase. Start with the 3/4 sprint at the combine (I'm generally deleting names I don't recognize): Sion James SG - 2.97 Jeremiah Fears PG-SG - 3.05 Cedric Coward PG-SG - 3.06 Carter Bryant SF-PF - 3.07 Nique Clifford PG-SG - 3.07 Ben Henshall SG - 3.07 Drake Powell SF-PF - 3.07 Javon Small PG - 3.07 Michael Ruzic PF - 3.11 Ace Bailey SF-PF - 3.12 Chaz Lanier PG-SG - 3.12 Micah Peavy SF - 3.13 Walter Clayton Jr. PG-SG - 3.14 Collin Murray-Boyles SF-PF - 3.15 Dylan Harper PG-SG - 3.16 Liam McNeeley SF-PF - 3.16 Tyrese Proctor PG-SG - 3.19 Kobe Sanders SF - 3.19 VJ Edgecombe PG-SG - 3.20 Karter Knox SF - 3.20 Alex Toohey SF - 3.20 Kasparas Jakucionis PG-SG - 3.22 Ryan Nembhard PG - 3.22 Jase Richardson PG-SG - 3.22 I would have expected him to show a lot better in vertical speed how about the lane agility drill: Ben Henshall SG 10.49 Tre Johnson PG-SG 10.49 Grant Nelson PF 10.51 Walter Clayton Jr. PG-SG 10.52 Dink Pate SG 10.63 Cooper Flagg SF-PF 10.64 Drake Powell SF-PF 10.71 Javon Small PG 10.74 Tyrese Proctor PG-SG 10.75 Nolan Traoré PG 10.75 Nique Clifford PG-SG 10.87 Micah Peavy SF 10.90 Miles Byrd SG 10.91 Sion James SG 10.91 Jeremiah Fears PG-SG 10.95 Rasheer Fleming SF-PF 10.95 Asa Newell SF-PF 10.95 Kobe Sanders SF 10.95 Ace Bailey SF-PF 10.97 Cedric Coward PG-SG 10.97 Jase Richardson PG-SG 10.97 he can't beat Coward or Bailey and is worse than Rasheer Fleming and Asa Newell? the shuttle-run: Grant Nelson PF 2.58 Rasheer Fleming SF-PF 2.72 Liam McNeeley SF-PF 2.75 Alex Condon SF-PF 2.76 Ace Bailey SF-PF 2.78 Asa Newell SF-PF 2.78 Drake Powell SF-PF 2.79 Walter Clayton Jr. PG-SG 2.81 Kasparas Jakucionis PG-SG 2.82 Nolan Traoré PG 2.85 Collin Murray-Boyles SF-PF 2.86 Javon Small PG 2.87 Ryan Nembhard PG 2.88 Alex Toohey SF 2.90 Danny Wolf SF-PF 2.91 Cooper Flagg SF-PF 2.92 Egor Demin PG-SG 2.93 VJ Edgecombe PG-SG 2.93 Mackenzie Mgbako SF-PF 2.94 Nique Clifford PG-SG 2.96 Dink Pate SG 2.97 Michael Ruzic PF 2.98 Ben Henshall SG 3.00 Tyrese Proctor PG-SG 3.00 Kobe Sanders SF 3.00 Hansen Yang C 3.01 Cedric Coward 3.02 Dylan Harper 3.05 Micah Peavy 3.06 Max Shulga SG 3.06 Jase Richardson PG-SG 3.08 I guess this isn't exactly measuring lateral speed, but it's probably the same as I get that these measurements and gauges don't tell the whole story about a player, but the part of the story they do tell about Jase is not impressive
Although height is a factor in finding a comp, i don’t find it to be the leading defining factor. I’d like them to be close, but after that, I think the on the floor bb stats are more defining. Just my opinion.
sure....but you are picking comps of 'similar' players who have been generally successful, or at least have made some impact in the NBA, then comparing college stats. There are probably dozens and dozens of 'similar' players with equivalent college stats as Jase who never played a minute in the NBA, or even if they did, had brief careers for example, since I'm a Duck fan I thought of this guy: he actually played in 127 NBA games. A 6' combo guard by the way. But his NBA career was nothing like in college career I've now watched some videos of Jase, so I think he'll likely be better than Joe Young, but that doesn't mean he's worthy of a lottery pick
I'm not high on this guy but I know some believe he will be productive in the pros? I wasnt high on Brunson either and still am on the fence with his defense and ball hogging. This article is another one based on numbers. NBA Draft: Jase Richardson's Production Outweighs Size ...Sports Illustratedhttps://www.si.com › Home › Newsfeed
Walter Clayton Jr. looks pretty good in those combine results. In general, I think he's going to go a lot higher than people expect. Hey, do a comp on him (please)!
True. Good points. One point of clarification though is that I don't pick the player then look at their stats. I put all of the stats in, and let the algorithm pull the players. To your point, the pool of players is still all player that were drafted and excludes college players that were not drafted. One thing I tried to do was supplement my drafted players with as many undrafted players as I could find that played in the NBA. That helped widen the 'marginal' group. There will inherently be some assumptions made that impact the selected players. I find it fun (and challenging) to take the hundreds of players, and take as much emotion out of it as possible and find players with similar stats. Sometimes that means that a player I don't 'like' has a bunch of good comps. And vice versa. That at least challenges me to look at each player with a different lens.
