Link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7949620?MSNHPHMA 49'ers lose 5th round pick and have to swap 3rd round picks with the Bears (7 for 12).
Hmmm. Sounds strange. How did the NFL become aware of communications between Rosenhaus and the Niners? Rosenhaus must have stuck it to the Niners by disclosing it. "John York, for the 15th time, STOP CALLING THIS NUMBER!!! LANCE BRIGGS IS NOT GOING TO PLAY FOR LEAGUE MINIMUM!!! This had better be our last phone call or I'm going to the league with this!" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There had been reports of contact between the 49ers and Rosenhaus last season, and the Bears filed a tampering charge with the NFL. Goodell said both teams cooperated with his investigation into the allegations</div>
This sucks! The Dolphins signed Justin Smiley 20 minutes into free agency and didn't tamper? I really find it hard to believe the 49ers are they only team that has tampered w/ free agents.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 24 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This sucks! The Dolphins signed Justin Smiley 20 minutes into free agency and didn't tamper? I really find it hard to believe the 49ers are they only team that has tampered w/ free agents.</div> Is this the first <u>enforced</u> tampering charge since the Miami Dolphins lost a first-round pick when it hired Don Shula away from the Baltimore Colts 38 years ago?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 24 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This sucks! The Dolphins signed Justin Smiley 20 minutes into free agency and didn't tamper? I really find it hard to believe the 49ers are they only team that has tampered w/ free agents.</div> Looks like the pats success is being copied as another team starts cheating to get ahead. Punishment was too soft again. This will only encourage more cheating in the future. They should have given 9ers entire draft to the bears.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bearsfan1 @ Mar 26 2008, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 24 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This sucks! The Dolphins signed Justin Smiley 20 minutes into free agency and didn't tamper? I really find it hard to believe the 49ers are they only team that has tampered w/ free agents.</div> Looks like the pats success is being copied as another team starts cheating to get ahead. Punishment was too soft again. This will only encourage more cheating in the future. They should have given 9ers entire draft to the bears. </div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>One story is that there were two "missed calls" with no voice messages. The second version - essentially corroborating the first report - was that there were two "20-second" phone calls. In other words, a 20-second phone call is a "missed call."</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So why were the 49ers calling Rosenhaus? Was it to talk numbers regarding Briggs? Or did they want to touch base to speak about some of Rosenhaus' other clients, such as Gore, Jason Hill or Moran Norris? One source offered that the 49ers might have wanted a quick update on what was going on with Taylor Jacobs, whom the 49ers had recently released. Jacobs is also a Rosenhaus client</div> http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp...76340&mode= Did the 49ers ever even meet with Briggs? Did they sign him? And yet they should give the Bears their entire draft? I think you're opinion might be a little biased. I realize Goodell was trying to make an example considering the Pats success w/ their rumored cheating, but their isn't exactly a ton of evidence against the 9ers, AND THEY DIDN'T SIGN THE GUY!!!!! If they are going to penalize someone, it should be a team that actually signed someone elses free agent, don't you think?
Am I missing something? All the evidence exists in 2 20-minute missed phone calls? That can't be all they have.
How many players does Rosenhaus represent? From what we've heard, there's no way you could decide to punish the 9'ers that severely. The NFL has to have something else, it just doens't make sense otherwise.
That's all that I've seen reported so far. I did see something posted on another forum that mentioned they tried to call Rosenhaus to negotiate after initally agreeing to trade a first rounder for Briggs, but the trade fell through. There was no source listed for that, so I don't know how credible that is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 26 2008, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bearsfan1 @ Mar 26 2008, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 24 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This sucks! The Dolphins signed Justin Smiley 20 minutes into free agency and didn't tamper? I really find it hard to believe the 49ers are they only team that has tampered w/ free agents.</div> Looks like the pats success is being copied as another team starts cheating to get ahead. Punishment was too soft again. This will only encourage more cheating in the future. They should have given 9ers entire draft to the bears. </div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>One story is that there were two "missed calls" with no voice messages. The second version - essentially corroborating the first report - was that there were two "20-second" phone calls. In other words, a 20-second phone call is a "missed call."</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So why were the 49ers calling Rosenhaus? Was it to talk numbers regarding Briggs? Or did they want to touch base to speak about some of Rosenhaus' other clients, such as Gore, Jason Hill or Moran Norris? One source offered that the 49ers might have wanted a quick update on what was going on with Taylor Jacobs, whom the 49ers had recently released. Jacobs is also a Rosenhaus client</div> http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp...76340&mode= Did the 49ers ever even meet with Briggs? Did they sign him? And yet they should give the Bears their entire draft? I think you're opinion might be a little biased. I realize Goodell was trying to make an example considering the Pats success w/ their rumored cheating, but their isn't exactly a ton of evidence against the 9ers, AND THEY DIDN'T SIGN THE GUY!!!!! If they are going to penalize someone, it should be a team that actually signed someone elses free agent, don't you think? </div> It is fair to think that they drove the price on Briggs up with those phone calls? YES! So it did affect the Bears in a negative manner. Too soft of a punishment. They should have given the bears the entire draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 26 2008, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bearsfan1 @ Mar 26 2008, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 24 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This sucks! The Dolphins signed Justin Smiley 20 minutes into free agency and didn't tamper? I really find it hard to believe the 49ers are they only team that has tampered w/ free agents.</div> Looks like the pats success is being copied as another team starts cheating to get ahead. Punishment was too soft again. This will only encourage more cheating in the future. They should have given 9ers entire draft to the bears. </div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>One story is that there were two "missed calls" with no voice messages. The second version - essentially corroborating the first report - was that there were two "20-second" phone calls. In other words, a 20-second phone call is a "missed call."</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So why were the 49ers calling Rosenhaus? Was it to talk numbers regarding Briggs? Or did they want to touch base to speak about some of Rosenhaus' other clients, such as Gore, Jason Hill or Moran Norris? One source offered that the 49ers might have wanted a quick update on what was going on with Taylor Jacobs, whom the 49ers had recently released. Jacobs is also a Rosenhaus client</div> http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp...76340&mode= Did the 49ers ever even meet with Briggs? Did they sign him? And yet they should give the Bears their entire draft? I think you're opinion might be a little biased. I realize Goodell was trying to make an example considering the Pats success w/ their rumored cheating, but their isn't exactly a ton of evidence against the 9ers, AND THEY DIDN'T SIGN THE GUY!!!!! If they are going to penalize someone, it should be a team that actually signed someone elses free agent, don't you think? </div> It is fair to think that they drove the price on Briggs up with those phone calls? YES! So it did affect the Bears in a negative manner. Too soft of a punishment. They should have given the bears the entire draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'>Am I missing something? All the evidence exists in 2 20-minute missed phone calls? That can't be all they have.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bf1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Looks like the pats success is being copied as another team starts cheating to get ahead. Punishment was too soft again. This will only encourage more cheating in the future.</div> Perhaps, they picked up on intent from illegal wiretapping. Gives a whole new meaning to the term Patriot Act! Thank you. Good night. I'll be here all week & be sure to tip your waitress generously.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bearsfan1 @ Mar 26 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 26 2008, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bearsfan1 @ Mar 26 2008, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 24 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This sucks! The Dolphins signed Justin Smiley 20 minutes into free agency and didn't tamper? I really find it hard to believe the 49ers are they only team that has tampered w/ free agents.</div> Looks like the pats success is being copied as another team starts cheating to get ahead. Punishment was too soft again. This will only encourage more cheating in the future. They should have given 9ers entire draft to the bears. </div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>One story is that there were two "missed calls" with no voice messages. The second version - essentially corroborating the first report - was that there were two "20-second" phone calls. In other words, a 20-second phone call is a "missed call."</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So why were the 49ers calling Rosenhaus? Was it to talk numbers regarding Briggs? Or did they want to touch base to speak about some of Rosenhaus' other clients, such as Gore, Jason Hill or Moran Norris? One source offered that the 49ers might have wanted a quick update on what was going on with Taylor Jacobs, whom the 49ers had recently released. Jacobs is also a Rosenhaus client</div> http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp...76340&mode= Did the 49ers ever even meet with Briggs? Did they sign him? And yet they should give the Bears their entire draft? I think you're opinion might be a little biased. I realize Goodell was trying to make an example considering the Pats success w/ their rumored cheating, but their isn't exactly a ton of evidence against the 9ers, AND THEY DIDN'T SIGN THE GUY!!!!! If they are going to penalize someone, it should be a team that actually signed someone elses free agent, don't you think? </div> It is fair to think that they drove the price on Briggs up with those phone calls? YES! So it did affect the Bears in a negative manner. Too soft of a punishment. They should have given the bears the entire draft. </div> So what you're saying is that over a span of two different twenty second calls the 49ers (who never actually negotiated w/ Briggs or w/ Rosenhaus regaurding Briggs) drove the price up? How can they drive up the price if they never actually offer a contract? They should give up seven picks for that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Mar 26 2008, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So what you're saying is that over a span of two different twenty second calls the 49ers (who never actually negotiated w/ Briggs or w/ Rosenhaus regaurding Briggs) drove the price up? How can they drive up the price if they never actually offer a contract? They should give up seven picks for that?</div> Don't forget to factor in the 10-seconds of silence after each offer. You know, the 10-second rule for negotiating. If you dispense with all the pleasantries at the beginning of the call, I think that its humanly possible to blurt out a few numbers in 10 seconds per call. Or, they could just be answering machine messages.
