A collection of thoughts on LJ, PJ and the Bulls

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    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

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    Tonight was a big night. The Cavs gave up on the series and their season. They didn't foul in the last minute, like a franchise that was resigned to winning being out of reach and a long period of rebuilding awaits.

    Lebron's resignation was on display in the way he exited, acknowledging fans with high-fives and souvenirs, in lieu of disappointment. And his removal of his jersey on his way the to the locker room seemed like symbolism from a mediocre movie.

    Lebron is going to leave Cleveland. It feels good to say that.

    -- If Lebron leaves, when Lebron leaves, it will be to chase after a championship as well as money, and the Bulls are in a better position that any other to offer both. The Bulls can offer Lebron the chance to work with another full boat free agent, as well as Noah and Rose. Which means, not only are the Bulls the favorite to pull Lebron, he will likely bring Wade or Bosh with him. Luol Deng is not a superstar. He's a good player, who is worth what he gets paid, which makes him a perfect bargaining chip in negotiations.

    --As outlandish as it sounded a day ago, I think there's an outside chance that Phil Jackson is the coach of the Bulls next year. He's an egocentric pud who is also the best coach in the world. Lebron is going to get whichever coach he wants. He has already mentioned that he is inspired by the triple-post, which I along with Sam Smith take as an allusion to Phil Jackson. I've always liked Jerry Reinsdorf, sans his cheapness in paying for an elite coach. He's horrible with the media because he's too honest, which is fine in my boat. He's overly loyal to the people he likes, which is much easier to say from a position outside the franchise.

    Is JR man enough to look past PJ's obvious faults and turn over the reigns? Reinsdorf runs his franchise according to the bottom line. If getting PJ (which takes $), means getting Lebron (which makes $$$), whcih means also landing a second all-star in free agency (even more $$$), then shelling out big bucks for PJ is a possibility. Reinsdorf runs his business to make money, which is bad thing when making money doesn't coincide with hiring a suitable coach. In this unique situation, I think it might.

    -- A brief question about Rajon Rondo: I'm not sure the Celts win against the Cavs if you replace him with any other player. So does that make Rondo the best point guard in the league?

    --My anticipated roster for next year:
    -Noah
    -Bosh
    -LJ
    -Hinrich
    -Rose
    Coach -- Whomever LJ damn well wants
     
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    It makes me a little queasy that I don't think this is completely far fetched. The only think I wonder is whether Reinsdorf has, in the way I stated in the other thread, given up the bottom line for the least effort. What if he things he'd rather have less money and less headaches?

    This is a guy who said the Bulls were not so hard to run.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Good post, SST.

    Bosh and LBJ are both 25 years old, Rose is 21.

    The question that immediately jumps to my mind is, "What exactly would be the effect on Rose?"

    We have a superstar in the making, but he'd surely not have the ball anywhere near as much with both LBJ (or just LBJ) and Bosh on the team.

    How fast would it become apparent there isn't enough ball to go around, with three primary ballhandlers in that lineup (Rose, LBJ, Hinrich)? And given Hinrich's tendency to dribble, dribble, dribble, I bet LeBron gets pissed off after just a few games. Hinrich is going to take his shots, too - less shots for the three who should be shooting the most.

    The Bulls would ultimately need a coach, like Doc Rivers, who can get 3 or 4 top NBA players on the court together without egos getting in the way, even deferring to the youngest (Rondo) of the four. PJax is that kind of coach, FTW.
     
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    Yes I would see that as a problem. I think LeBron would rather play with a big, or someone who can play off the ball much more than Rose.
     
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    I think Lebron is the single best player in the NBA by a pretty noticeable margin. That's not to say that there wouldn't be any problems to getting him, but I think the issue ought to be getting him first and then trying to make it work. And basically, Kirk can take a fucking hike.
     
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    Bulls would still need to move Hinrich or Deng for cap space to sign a 2nd FA. That is a tall order.
     
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    Jordan played with another ball handler, but Bron's third perimeter teammate better enjoy being off the ball then. It could work.

    Adding a Chris Bosh to that would complicate the touches a bit though.
     
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    I can't say Doc Rivers has been great at that. Celts have nearly trade Rondo a bunch of times b/c of the conflict and KG even ripped him a bit in the pre-game. I'm always for pjax however.
     
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    LeBron is the best player in the league but he sure didn't make me think that he is close to Jordan's cape right now.
     
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    Too bad, you should have watched him last season when he took Jordan's cape and had 37 PER in the playoffs.
     
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    Two thoughts...

    What do you think MJ's PER would be if he played under today's rules. Defenders can hardly touch a guy now.

    Lebron's team lost last year in the playoffs with the home court advantage. Just like this year. That never happened to MJ.
     
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    I think the League is a little more athletic now, and there's "illegal" defense. So I'm not sure what you're getting at.

    But in general: What do i think? I only know, I don't think.

    PER is adjusted for league average so yeah... I don't have to speculate what his PER would be, It would be around 28. Or in other words, not as dominant as Bron is at his peak.

    When Mo turns into Scottie, give me a call. Otherwise LeBron does his job, that's what Hollinger just wrote about today btw.
     
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    The one job LeBron didn't do was reassure Amare he would stay in Cleveland. Without LeBron committing there the Cavs didn't want to trade for Amare only to watch them both walk this summer. They probably should've went all in anyways, but LeBron could have made it easier on everyone including himself if he said yes I'm staying if you get Amare on board. This led to Cleveland settling for Jamison instead.

    LeBron had a nice stat line last night sans the 9 turnovers, but where was the bravado and moxie his teammates have come to expect from their leader that gets them confident?
     
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    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    So he gets blamed for Ferry choosing Hickson over Amare (if I heard that correctly)?
     
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    Are you really 22? If you didn't watch MJ in his prime, this conversation is probably over.
     
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    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    I didn't know you had a calculator in your head that tracked all of Jordan's numbers.

    Unless that's the case, I am only interested in tangibles please.
     
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    They are both responsible for it is what I'm saying, but in this situation LeBron is more to blame because he holds the power over the franchise.
     
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    Why wouldn't you want Amare for at least one season? It is still a basic error.
     
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    An error LeBron is responsible for.
     
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    But if we're talking about a rental, how so? Amare has no control where he goes until July 1. LeBron staying or leaving is a non-factor.
     
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