Shapecity and I were discussing the Hawks' situation over AIM. We discussed how perhaps they would be willing to send Al Harrington off, and we looked over possible suitors. A team that really stood out was the Golden State Warriors. The Warriors could surely use a guy like Al Harrington, the kind of player how could potentially offer instant impact, a surge to the team. So we discussed a scenario and we came up with this: Warriors trade: Mike Dunleavy First Round Draft Pick Hawks trade: Al Harrington Josh Childress ______ Now if the contracts don't work and someone notices that, it would be appreciated if it would be pointed out. Why might Golden State pull the trigger? The Warriors are more than like likely looking to make a push for the playoffs in 05-06. An Al Harrington type of ballplayer would give them immediate aid offensively. Harrington is a true athelete and is known for his versatility. His contract is expiring after next season which makes him real game to be traded. Why would Atlanta do it? They secure yet another first round draft pick, they could get a PG to go along with Andrew Bogut (who will probably be their first selection at #1). Raymond Feltion or Jarret Jack may be available. With Dunleavy they get a perimeter threat who plays with energy, he could fit nicely with Josh Smith to make Atlanta a pretty fun team to watch.
Noooo not Childress! It's a good idea, but I started to think hard about Childress. This guy has flown under the radar screen this year. He ended up averaging 10 and 6 in just 30 mins after a slow start. I didn't know he was such a good rebounder. In April he averaged a 16 and 7.5 in 40 MPG while shooting 47%. And in March he averaged 14.3, while grabbing 7.5 boards in 38 Mins while shooting 50%. This coming from a guard. His rebounding might dip from 7.5. At this point, I prefer him and the value of Harrington over GS and a pick. If the Hawks are looking towards being an uptempo team, then they'll draft Paul. Players like Smith and Childress will thrive off his presence and the style of play implemented. Adding another FA C with the money they have shouldn't be that hard, because I can see Swift coming here for the big cash. He'll get a lot of PT, and this will be his style. Even though it's Atlanta, I can see them landing him if they persue him. They will also have enough money to land a FA like Dalembert, but I don't see them landing both. If the Hawks land Paul, and somehow the Hornets get Bogut, that leaves Magloire out of the picture. The Hornets will have a bigger need for a SF so some sort of Harrington for Magloire trade could be available. PG: Chris Paul SG: Josh Childress SF: Josh Smith PF: Stromile Swift -C: Jamaal Magloire Their are alot of things in order for this team to be put together, like the draft order, but I just see it as a better team for the Hawks than the one presented after the GSW trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Shapecity and I were discussing the Hawks' situation over AIM. We discussed how perhaps they would be willing to send Al Harrington off, and we looked over possible suitors. A team that really stood out was the Golden State Warriors. The Warriors could surely use a guy like Al Harrington, the kind of player how could potentially offer instant impact, a surge to the team. So we discussed a scenario and we came up with this: Warriors trade: Mike Dunleavy First Round Draft Pick Hawks trade: Al Harrington Josh Childress </div> Not sure if the projected #9 first rounder makes it so the trade for Al Harrington/Childress becomes valid, but yeah I would do it. I like Josh Childress and Harrington's contract is a friendly and valuable one. Not sure why any Hawks fan would give up Childress in his first year though for a backup to/or replacement for Josh Smith. To me that trade doesn't make sense from a Hawks point of view when they could use the expiring contract themselves to land a player they want or some future draft picks. I can however understand the need for a point guard, but who does the scoring from the two position?
How about swapping Dunleavy for Pietrus instead? This gives the Hawks a young player to be the starting SG, and a great perimeter defender. The Hawks could then draft Bogut and land Jack with the second of two picks. PG - Jack SG - Pietrus SF - J. Smooth PF - Swift or Dalembert C - Bogut The Hawks are looking to move Al Harrington. He's the prototypical tweener and at his price tag they'd rather use him to get more pieces to build around Josh Smith. The reason they want to do it now, instead of wait, is because this year's free agent group is deep with young big men and also quality point guards. I also like Dunleavy on this team because he would give the Hawks a perimeter player and his ability to pass the ball would help out a young team. The only risk might be if Dunleavy wants to stick around after his rookie contract expires. He was part of a long rebuilding process in Golden State, and they are finally turning the corner. I'm not sure if he wants to endure being a part of another long rebuilding process in the prime of his career.
Well, there is a small cap problem, as Dunleavy only makes $4.5 and the draft pick will only make $1.6 million in his first year, (a total of $6 million), while Harrington and Childress will make a total of about $9.5 million. It can be easily remedied if you want to take a combination of Calbert Cheaney ($1.5 mil) and Rodney White ($2 mil) to even up the salaries to about 9.5 million each. Losing Harrington, I think that the Hawks would have a problem with finding the "go-to" scorer in games with either lineup. As the Warriors, I would go for this trade (preferring to give up Dunleavy over Pietrus mostly based on their contracts) but as the Hawks, I agree with CR's assessment that this seems like a strange trade. Harrington and Dunleavy are both young players (25 years old) and although they bring different things to the table, are somewhat of an even trade. But then, the Hawks give up Childress just after one year for a draft pick. The Hawks might be better off just signing a free agent if they really wanted a point guard?
The Hawks would be trading Harrington to make room for Childress, though. They took him #5, and he showed every sign of becoming a star once Walker was traded. Why would they then trade him and Harrington, for a lower pick and Dunleavy? Makes absolutely no sense from Atlanta's point of view, they will be able to trade Harrington somewhere without having to throw in their first rounder from 2004 in while he's showing as much as he is.
I agree with Pwn3d!. How about a scenario involving somebody thats definitely going to be traded... Jason Williams. Harrington for Williams works out salary-wise and J-Will would be a great fit for the wide open style that Atlanta wants to run. Remember how effective he was in Sactown? People forget how good he really is, just because he's been forced into playing a style of play that doesn't showcase his talents. This would also allow the Hawks to pick Andrew Bogut. PG- Jason Williams SG- Childress SF- Josh Smith PF- FA pickup C-Andrew Bogut Antoine Walker, Donyell Marshall, Austin Croshere, Eddy Curry, Samuel Dalembert, Brian Grant, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Keith Van Horn, Stromile Swift, Kwame Brown , Tyson Chandler, Dale Davis, Udonis Haslem, Luke Walton, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, and Dan Gadzuric are all big men and will be available in the offseason. If I were the Hawks' GM, I wouldn't want to gamble away the pick on a rookie PG. Besides, Bogut is too good to pass up. I think this scenario is perfect because it sets them up to seek out a PF/C in the free agent market, and big men are easier to find than guards this year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pwn3d!:</div><div class="quote_post">The Hawks would be trading Harrington to make room for Childress, though. They took him #5, and he showed every sign of becoming a star once Walker was traded. Why would they then trade him and Harrington, for a lower pick and Dunleavy? Makes absolutely no sense from Atlanta's point of view, they will be able to trade Harrington somewhere without having to throw in their first rounder from 2004 in while he's showing as much as he is.</div> Hawks are not trading Harrington to make room for Childress. Harrington was playing PF for them, and Childress is a shooting guard. The Hawks best 3 players are all swing players. Harrington is too, small to be a PF, and not quick enough to be a SF. He's actually being moved to make room for the other Josh. I like the Jason Williams trade idea. It gives the Hawks a PG, and a player with range, plus he can help recruit Stromile Swift to signing with the Hawks.
Im glad to see this much activity in the Hawks Forum, but anyways back on topic. I like the Jason Williams Idea a lot but I dont think that Bogut is the right player to take for the Hawks at this point, they are in much more need of a PG because they can get a good quality big man from free agency this offseason. The only reason I dont see Harrington sticking around is the Josh's like Shape said. ------------------------- My Idea: The Hawks trade Al Harrington, their second 1st Round Pick and Tyronn Lue to the Denver Nuggets for Kenyon Martin and a 2nd round pick. The reason I say this is a good Idea is because we get a quality big man that can run the floor and the Nuggets solve there problem of having too many big men. Along with this the Hawks sign Tyson Chandler and via free agency along with drafting Chris Paul. PG: Chris Paul/Tony Delk/Royal Ivey/Donta Smith SG: Josh Childress/Boris Diaw/Donta Smith/Draft Pick SF: Josh Smith/Donta Smith/Draft Pick PF: Kenyon Martin/Tom Gugliotta/Josh Smith C: Tyson Chandler/Tom Gugliotta We should really look at drafting Marvin Williams though, the kid is nuts and I think if we pass on him we could be making a huge mistake. If we do draft him one of the Josh's is gone probably Josh Smith because Marvin Williams is a SF in a PF's body.
I don't see anyway the Hawks draft a swingman with their first pick, unless it's #3 and Bogut and Paul are off the board. Even then they may look to trade down - #3 and Harrington for a centre and pick #5 or #6, to draft Deron Williams. They have two 2/3 studs in Childress and Smith, plus Boris Diaw, so when you consider their two gaping holes, and the quality of Bogut, Paul and Williams, it makes all the sense in the world.
I don't like the Hawks trading Childress, that's a bad move IMO, he's very good rebounder for his position, hutsles, plays defense, can score, and he reminds me a little of Shane Battier. Without Walker on the team he put up about 14-8-2 on 47% shooting, and he can be a good player for them. I also don't like the idea of getting Jason Williams, yes he's nice, but I don't see them going older, especially when they don't currently have a core that can get them to the post-season, so veterans who will demand minutes aren't needed. They can look to involve him in sign and trades for a bigger PF, but I can't really see anything else they'd want. They shouldn't go after a swingman, that's just useless, and they can fill either the PG or C position through the draft.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Buckets:</div><div class="quote_post">I like the Jason Williams Idea a lot but I dont think that Bogut is the right player to take for the Hawks at this point, </div>People have been saying that, but I really don't understand it. Just because you want to run an uptempo game doesn't mean you should pass on a player that's most effective in a half court game (or so it seems). It's obvious that you won't be able to run on every possesion. That's a given. You're still going to be running a half court set more often than not. That's why every team needs a go to low post guy like Bogut. If the Nets had a guy like him, they may have won a title. Their problem was that nobody could score in the half court game. I don't think you guys want to set yourself up for the same problem.
For the most part I like the lineup Buckets, but the Hawks would be lacking a perimeter threat on the floor. They would not have anyone to stretch the defense and the middle would be clogged up with Martin, Chandler, and Smith working for shots. Tyson Chandler is not a realistic option for the Hawks, because he's a restricted free agent and the Bulls can match any offer. I think K-Mart is a great fit at PF, but the Nuggets signed him to be a part of their future. Nene will be a free agent after next season and there's no guarantees they can re-sign him. Another reason K-Mart won't be traded, is because of Camby's age and health concerns. The Nuggets were the best team in the 2nd half of the season, they are going to want to keep this unit together for at least another year before they start making any major tweaks. Players like Dalembert, Swift, and Kwame are more realistic at this point. They might even beable to pry Magloire out of New Orleans for the right package. I agree with 44Thrilla as well. Even though Bogut is not the fatest player on the court, he gives the Hawks an inside threat. To be successful in the league you need to be able to play an inside-outside game. Bogut's ability to pass, hit the elbow jumper, and rebound allows the rest of the Hawks to use their speed. Just look at how the uptempo Kings used Vlade and Brad Miller in their offense. Neither Vlade or Brad are going to fill the wings on a fastbreak, but they are usually the catalyst to get the fastbreak going. Having Bogut's presence inside, also allows the backcourt to gamble more and try to force steals. With Bogut's size and shotblocking, the frontcourt can trust him to challenge dribble penetration.
Kwame Brown, who Shapecity mentioned, is a Georgia native I think (Brunswick). As long as he gets touches he could be effective. But he is also a restricted free agent I believe. This might not be a problem with the Wizards having Jamison and Arenas under large contracts with Larry Hughes to think about re-signing. They could let Hughes walk though and try to use more of Jarvis Hayes, instead and try to re-sign Kwame Brown. Everyone is waiting for Kwame to turn into Jermaine O'neil, but he's getting a bad rap so far in that he disappears and isn't very motivated. A new change of scenery for him might help, maybe closer to home?
Stro is another who looks to be gone from Memphis, and the Hawks always seem to be sniffing around him.
