OT Alec Baldwin, Accidental Killer?

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  1. Hoopguru

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    Agree. Just stating that they have a law that can apply to a non criminal act where negligence was involved with someone’s death.
    Once all evidence is in the DA will decide what action to take.
     
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    Checked for what? How does a chambered blank look different than a live round?
     
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    For me All the mote reason to double check the ammo for projectile or blank, if an assistant director said its cold.
    I believe protocol on set usually requires loading of blank in front of actor but we know how that goes.
    The reason in my view us there are few incidents like this because of proper checks by both who responsible employee and probably actors themselves that have been trained.
    This particular set if true had other live factory rounds go off before. No reason live rounds shoukd even been in set.
     
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    Agreed on that front. I don't understand why you'd have live rounds there at all...
     
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    I've heard this said several times, but I'm not sure it's true. Seems to me that likely there is some corporate entity that employs the film crew.

    Even if he's ultimately responsible for hiring decisions at that corporate entity, that probably doesn't make him personally liable for their actions.

    So I'd guess he has no liability other than from being the guy who fired the gun.

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    well for one thing...I don't give two shits about Alec Baldwin but I do give a shit about safety concerning guns and not having live ammo and movie props together...I'm not impressed by celebrities..but you actually voted twice for that reality tv guy....spin some of that....that woman died from equipment mismanagement. period..what's disgusting is the distaste with which you frame the tragedy and the cheap shot you take at a guy who triggers you...good luck with that..if you're going to take cheap shots...expect to get called out on it. I'm not part of the news here
     
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    Good point. I was referring to him shooting the gun.
     
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    I call bullshit.
     
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    It was stupid in that anyone who knows anything about guns checks the breech before accepting a firearm but therr are Millions of people who know less than nothing about guns end amazingly don't know this simple rule plus there are some rudimentary safeguards on the set so what happened was an accident and not criminal albeit stupid.
     
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    Trump is selling T shirts now that say Guns don't kill people...Alec Baldwin kills people......I hope Baldwin sues the fuck out of the Trumps for promoting that slander
     
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    Actor Alec Baldwin was practicing removing a revolver from its holster and aiming toward the camera during rehearsal for the movie "Rust" when director Joel Souza heard "what sounded like a whip and then a loud pop," according to a search warrant obtained by the Los Angeles Times on Sunday night that also provided grim new details about the final minutes of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins' life.

    In the newly released document, Souza said the weapon had been described to him as a "cold gun," meaning it did not have any live rounds. But the gun discharged, striking Hutchins in her chest and Souza in his right shoulder, according to a Santa Fe County, N.M., sheriff's detective's affidavit used to obtain a search warrant. Hutchins was pronounced dead at an Albuquerque hospital.

    Souza's statement to the detective offered a new window into the on-set shooting Thursday that has left Hollywood reeling and calling for safer working conditions on sets.


    The shooting took place after six members of the film's crew walked off the set after complaining to the production company about payment and housing, camera operator Reid Russell told Det. Joel Cano. Russell's and Souza's statements to the detective offered the most detailed chronology yet of how the tragedy unfolded.

    The day started late because the production hired a replacement camera crew and was working with only one camera, Souza told the detective.

    Souza said three people were handling the gun for the scene: armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, then assistant director Dave Halls, who handed the gun to Baldwin, the affidavit said.

    Because of COVID-19 safety protocols, the affidavit said, Gutierrez Reed set up three prop guns on a cart left outside Bonanza Creek Ranch's church set, the focus of the search warrant. Halls did not know live rounds were in the gun that he handed to Baldwin, and Halls yelled "cold gun," according to the affidavit.

    Souza told the detective that cast and crew had been preparing for the scene before lunch but then took a meal break away from the rehearsal area around 12:30 p.m. When they returned, Souza said, he wasn't sure if the gun was checked again, the affidavit said. He also addressed the possibility of cast or crew bringing live ammunition, which can include potentially dangerous blanks, onto the set.

    "Joel said as far as he knows, no one gets checked for live ammunition on their person prior and after the scenes are being filmed," the affidavit said. "The only thing checked are the firearms to avoid live ammunition being in them. Joel stated there should never be live rounds whatsoever, near or around the scene."

    When they came back from lunch, a creeping shadow prompted the camera to be moved to a different angle, Russell told the detective. As Baldwin was explaining how he was going to draw his gun and where his arm would be positioned, it discharged, Russell said.

    Souza said he was looking over Hutchins' shoulder when the gun discharged. Hutchins grabbed her midsection, stumbled backward and "was assisted to the ground," Souza told the detective.

    Russell recalled hearing a loud bang, seeing a bloody Souza and hearing Hutchins say she couldn't feel her legs, the affidavit said.

    The search warrant released Sunday night allowed for seizure of all firearms, firearm components, used or unused ammunition (“whether it be live ammunition or prop ammunition”), computer hardware equipment, plus all cameras and film or memory cards. The Sheriff’s Office said it had taken blood, saliva and skin and hair samples but did not disclose whose samples it was testing.

    The shooting came after crew members raised concerns about safety conditions on set. Two "Rust" crew members told the L.A. Times that, less than a week earlier, a stunt double had fired two accidental prop gun discharges after being told the gun was "cold."

    Rust Movie Productions said in a statement that the safety of its cast and crew is "the top priority" and it was not aware of official complaints raised about weapon safety and will conduct an internal review. On Sunday, the production company said it would shut down the film's production during the investigation but did not rule out restarting.

    Hutchins' death follows other accidents that have happened on TV and movie sets. Some in Hollywood and the greater community have called for sets to no longer have operational firearms, especially as muzzle fire could be added through post production. A California state senator has announced plans to propose legislation to ban live ammunition and firearms capable of shooting live ammunition on Hollywood productions in California.

    This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.
     
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    3rd degree manslaughter.

    Why would you aim and shoot, even a blank at a camera/cameraperson when they aren't filming?

    Baldwin has a history of being an unhinged psycho.
     
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    To frame the shot would be my guess. Check the lighting. Make sure the actor doesn't blink. Etc.

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    That scene actually has a pretty interesting story behind it.

    https://screenrant.com/goodfellas-movie-ending-final-shot-tommy-gun-meaning/

     
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    He was practicing for the scene they were about to film. He didn't mean to fire the gun. He won't be charged.
     
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    So does our previous president and he’s still walking the streets……..
     
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    Well, he never whipped out a gun, pulled the trigger and killed someone.
     
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