Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/410...alking_iverson/I have seen this rumor on 3 different sites and one suggests that it would be something along the lines of:AI to BostonBoozer to PhillyWally to UtahIf this happened, I honestly would be incredibly happy.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? I think it's a crazy rumor. It kills Philadelphia, gives them a injury rittled power forward, although Chris Webber is getting older, and then for Utah, it gives them a shooter finally, but he plays the same position as their best player. It depends on who the fillers are I guess.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? Well it is a little tough to imagine them trading AI to a team in the same division, who just happens to have Paul Pierce lol. And sure I would wonder if Pierce/AI could co-exist and not be selfish about touches. But if that get straightened out this trade would be excellent. But if we have to give up all of our youth then I'm not for it.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? I dont kow about this. Boston giving up Wally for AI. Come on now.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? Why would the Sixers trade Iverson to there division rival? That doesn't make any sense to me...
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? I would KILL myself if AI goes to Boston. It would completely ruin my life.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? Just to let you know, the Red Sox pregame was interrupted on the radio because of this and they said we are close to a deal for AI! Take it for what it's worth, I have butterflies in the stomach.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? Why do people feel that Allen Iverson is going to bring success to either Minny, Boston, or anywhere he goes?As far as I'm concerned, he plays the exact same way as a Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis, he is just a better scorer and has had better teams. Either way, Allen Iverson has never been a winner aside from one year, and I don't see him being able to co-exist on the court with anyone rivaling his skill
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Jun 26 2006, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do people feel that Allen Iverson is going to bring success to either Minny, Boston, or anywhere he goes?As far as I'm concerned, he plays the exact same way as a Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis, he is just a better scorer and has had better teams. Either way, Allen Iverson has never been a winner aside from one year, and I don't see him being able to co-exist on the court with anyone rivaling his skill</div>Who has Iverson ever had? Derrick Coleman? Keith Van Horn? Chris Webber? He made it to the finals with a team consisting of Theo RatliffDikembe MutumboAaron McKieEric SnowThat teams looks like a lottery team on paper and yet Iverson managed to lead them to the finals. Iverson has never had a good second option so how can you not see him co-exist? Iverson isn't a ballhog, Kobe isn't a ballhog, it's all about winning.I went ahead and did some research on how Iverson needs to score for his team to win in the 2001 playoffsLoss to Indiana- Iverson 16 pointsLoss to Toronto- Iverson 23 pointsLoss to Toronto- Iverson 20 pointsLoss to Milwaukee- Iverson 20 pointsSee how when Iverson failed to score 25 his team lost?
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? This trade is pure speculation. Unless the unnamed players in the deal include: Gerald Green, Samuel Dalembert, and Deron Williams (among others).Or unless its Boozer and a #1 for the Sixers.But as a Sixers fan, King would be villified for that deal.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? Allen Iverson isn't a ball hog? Are you serious right now? Are you kidding me? Don't throw stuff out there that makes no sense.A statistic was done on ESPN a few years ago that shows Allen Iverson has the ball in his hands more than anyone in the NBA. There is a reason for this. It baffles me how people on this board continually look past their eyesight. All you have to do is witness a Sixers game to see that Allen Iverson dribbles much too long, breaks down plays just so he can get the ball, and takes absolutely horrendous shots.A major part of being a ball hog is not just shot attempts; it's your shot selection. How many pull-up jumpers do Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant take over multiple defenders? There is a reason Kobe shot 44% this year, and if I'm not mistaken, Allen Iverson shot worse.And Allen's team that made it to the Finals didn't have talent? It had the MVP (Iverson), the 6th Man of the Year (McKie), and the Defensive Player of the Year (Mutumbo), not to mention the Coach of the Year (Larry Brown). That team was not great, it was no 03-04 Detroit, but it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. A lottery team? Please.And what does:"Allen Iverson isn't a ball-hog. Kobe isn't a ball-hog. It's all about winning" mean exactly?As 1st options, both have never won anything while shooting tons, and taking dumb shots. When TMac was jacking up shots like crazy, and not passing, his team only won 19 games! There is a f*cking pattern to this you know!I'm not saying Allen Iverson would not co-exist, I'm just saying that I really doubt he would change his game so much for a team after playing the same way for 11 years
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? [quote name='KMart' post='98900' date='Jun 26 2006, 03:41 PM']Allen Iverson isn't a ball hog? Are you serious right now? Are you kidding me? Don't throw stuff out there that makes no sense.A statistic was done on ESPN a few years ago that shows Allen Iverson has the ball in his hands more than anyone in the NBA. There is a reason for this. [/quote]I'am talking about this year, Iverson is considered a ballhog by all the media, even if he puts up 10 assists per game he is still a ballhog. Iguodala isn't agressive enough, it's not like Iverson doesn't pass and Dalembert can't even catch the ball. Just like LeBron and Kobe, if there teamates MADE any shots they would average 10 assists per game. And how many times do you see Iverson or Kobe pass to there teamates and Kwame Brown airballs a lay-up? Or when Dalembert drops a ball? They take bad shots because there teamates won't take any shots. Without Iverson it's easily a lottery team, you even said it yourself he was the MVP. Also, the Sixers that year were not a offensive squad, thery relied heavily on Iverson to make shots to win, as stated in my first post. If Kobe has to score 81 for his team to win then hes going to do it. They won 21 games if it makes a difference, you should take a look at that Orlando team before you blame it all on Tracy.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? Again, all you have to do is watch. There is a reason Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis are called selfish players even if they can get 10 assists on a given night. When these players pass, they are incredible. In terms of "ability to get assists" Kobe, TMac, LeBron, Allen Iverson, Marbz, Francis are all up there. However, the only one I would call a great passer is LeBron, because he is the only one who passes on a consistent basis Again, it's not about assists. Anyone can get assists if they get to a spot, and kick it. It's about not taking idiotic shots when your teammate is there, it's about letting the offense flow. Guys like AI, Kobe, they totally throw their teams out of whack with unnecessary shots. It goes both ways. If you never get the ball, you are going to do nothing with it when you actually get it. Even this year, when Kobe had finally got it through his head that passing the ball was a solid means of production, his team started playing better. I'm not talking about just the Suns series, but during the final few weeks of the season when the Lakers looked good. Kobe was passing more in general. He was the MVP. I'll give you that. However, his teammates did tons for him. Mutumbo allowed AI to gamble, because if he got beat opponents would be met at the rim. That team relied on AI for scoring, but everything else was given to them by role-players. That was a great defensive team. There was ladership. Guys could hit shots off the kick-out. AI meant alot to that team, but he wasn't the sole reason they went to the Finals That happened many times. I agreee. I said that was the year TMac was considered a "ballhog," and the common factor to this argument was that he was taking stupid shots, resulting in a 41% average. By no means was it all TMac's fault, but 21 wins? Come on now, TMac had to be part of the problem
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StreeTBallTacTics @ Jun 26 2006, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That trade would kill Philly..</div>Your sig is WAAAY too big and it will be removed soon.But by the way, it's false. Chad Ford said that Ainge and a "Sixers source" told him this deal was never even talked about.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? Yeah, StreeTBallTacTics please remove that sig, why would you put something so big as your signature, come on.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Jun 26 2006, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Allen Iverson isn't a ball hog? Are you serious right now? Are you kidding me? Don't throw stuff out there that makes no sense.A statistic was done on ESPN a few years ago that shows Allen Iverson has the ball in his hands more than anyone in the NBA. There is a reason for this. It baffles me how people on this board continually look past their eyesight. All you have to do is witness a Sixers game to see that Allen Iverson dribbles much too long, breaks down plays just so he can get the ball, and takes absolutely horrendous shots.A major part of being a ball hog is not just shot attempts; it's your shot selection. How many pull-up jumpers do Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant take over multiple defenders? There is a reason Kobe shot 44% this year, and if I'm not mistaken, Allen Iverson shot worse.And Allen's team that made it to the Finals didn't have talent? It had the MVP (Iverson), the 6th Man of the Year (McKie), and the Defensive Player of the Year (Mutumbo), not to mention the Coach of the Year (Larry Brown). That team was not great, it was no 03-04 Detroit, but it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. A lottery team? Please.And what does:"Allen Iverson isn't a ball-hog. Kobe isn't a ball-hog. It's all about winning" mean exactly?As 1st options, both have never won anything while shooting tons, and taking dumb shots. When TMac was jacking up shots like crazy, and not passing, his team only won 19 games! There is a f*cking pattern to this you know!I'm not saying Allen Iverson would not co-exist, I'm just saying that I really doubt he would change his game so much for a team after playing the same way for 11 years</div>You just showed by one statement that you dont follow AI at all and by that you shouldnt edbate w/ someone that does know him. First off obviously AI is going to have the ball in his hands all the time. Hes the ball handler and hes the teams leader. Second off your wrong. AI shot better than Kobe this season. He shot over 45% and you would know that if you watched him. You would also know that this season he had a much better shot selction.
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Sixers have talked to the Celtics, gauging interest in Allen Iverson, according to a source.</div> All this talk and jabber among NBA fans over one source...these rumors are pathetic. :no1:
Re: Allen Iverson to the Celtics?!?!?!? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Jun 26 2006, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do people feel that Allen Iverson is going to bring success to either Minny, Boston, or anywhere he goes?As far as I'm concerned, he plays the exact same way as a Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis, he is just a better scorer and has had better teams. Either way, Allen Iverson has never been a winner aside from one year, and I don't see him being able to co-exist on the court with anyone rivaling his skill</div>I am sorry, but your crazy if you compare AI to Starbury, or Francis. Just like the people who compare Wade to Jordan are crazy for saying that. lol AI is the best little guy to ever play the game already most say if not already then he will be before he retires. AI is a hall of famer those guys well no comment. hahaAI does not keep his teammates from developing. And he can co-exist with players. And about the assists give it up his is 7th-8th in the NBA in assits scoring 33 ppg last season who else does that? Nash averaged what about 20 a game with 11 assits a game something like that. Only like 3-4 assists more scoring 13 less points a game. If AI had guys around him who would not be scared to shoot he would have more assits. Iguodala always passes the ball back, Sammy can't catch the ball for his life, and Webber takes those jump shots that he misses a lot.Botttom line AI is not a ball hog. You really need to see AI play in person then you would understand.And about this trade our gm's Billy Kings house would be trashed here if he did that trade to get Boozer. He can get Boozer by trading like a package with Sammy maybe so why give up AI for that?
