Andre Miller--a changed man

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  1. Driew

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    Good Stuff right there
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yep, too bad it took as long as it did, and got as bad as it did, before the coach would put him in a role that would allow him to succeed. Andre Miller was not signed to be our back-up PG. He was signed because he was an upgrade over Steve Blake. He should have been the starter from the first day of training camp.

    The whole notion that him and Roy can't coexist was pure fabrication that was used as an excuse to justify McMillan's pig headed instance on starting Blake. That ridiculous fallacy was completely disproved as soon as Roy and Miller were allowed to actually play together in their natural positions and roles. Before the hamstring injury, Roy was playing MUCH better with Miller starting than when Blake was starting. Roy plays better beside Miller, Miller plays better as a starter, Blake is playing better now that he's coming off the bench, Martell is playing a LOT better with Andre starting. Andre Miller as our starting PG from day one should have been a no brainer. It baffles me that it wasn't.

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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    The money line from the story:

    Nice article by Quick, it appears he might be trying to mend a rift he helped open up early in the season, but whatever it took to shake Andre out of his funk and shake Nate out of his stubborn insistence in relegating Miller to the bench, I'm glad it's happened.

    Dre' is playing (now) pretty much exactly like how I hoped/expected he would when they inked him.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    To be fair they couldn't coexist running the same style of offense that this team played last year. Miller as an off-the-ball spot up shooter is a terrible, terrible thing -- I'm just glad the team has discovered that it's OK to let Dre' run the show a little bit and make life easier for Brandon.

    The best part of all this? Dre's improved play almost completely dovetails with Brandon and LMA's improved play -- the trick will be getting Greg on track without derailing everyone else next season.
     
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    Unfortunately, I still believe that Miller plays at his best when Roy is not on the court. And I still believe that Mc Millan's idea for Miller to play most of his minutes (but still play starter's minutes overall!) when Roy was not on the court was a sound decision. I think Miller was wrong to perceive that as a lack of respect for his accomplishments over the years.

    Certainly Miller is a great asset to the team, but I do not think he will ever be an ideal backcourt mate for Brandon Roy. It's too bad that he hasn't been able to improve his three point shooting over the years (as Jason Kidd did); that would certainly help. However, hopefully he will be able to improve the effectiveness of the rest of the team to such an extent that it won't matter that he and Roy don't complement each other. He can also be there to take up the scoring load when needed.
     
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    I'm not sold on Miller. Way too many TO's.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Define "way too many" His turnover rate is pretty much what it's always been at around 10%, a mere 2% higher than Brandon.
     
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    Are you kidding? Or do you just not really watch games?
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Only a fool would attempt to play Miller in that role. Nate had all summer, all of training camp and all of the preseason to adapt his offensive game plan to the talents of his players. He chose not to do so and chose, instead, to stick with the familiar, but clearly inferior talents of Steve Blake. That was what caused all the problems that followed.

    One of the big reasons given for the signing of Andre Miller was to take some pressure off Brandon Roy by adding a smart, veteran PG who could help run the offense. Why then did it take so long for this to happen?

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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    You forgot the green font.

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    He averages 2.2 TO's per game in less than 30 minutes. And in the last 2 games where he's supposedly been so good he's had 10 TO's. That's way too many.
     
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    Last game.

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300123008

    13 assists - 2 turnovers, 4 rebounds and 2 steals.

    Game before that.

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300122002

    8 assists - 6 turnovers, 8 rebounds and 2 steals.

    So in the last two games, you claim he has had 10 turnovers and that is way to many. Well, you are wrong. You are being lazy, not looking up stats and just crying about Miller for who knows why.

    21 assists, 4 steals. Im my opinion, a steal washes out a TO. TO means you lost a possession. A steal means you gain a possession. To me, they wash.

    So. Andre has had 21 assists to 8 TOs, while earning back 4 of those TOs in the last two games. WTF more do you want man? A reach around from the guy too?

    Edit - and he only averages 2.1 TO\Game. Where do you get your stats?
     
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    Sorry, you're right. I looked at his Philly game instead of Detroit. So in his last 3 games he's had 12 TO's. Still way too many.
     
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    He averages 2.2 TO's per game as shown on nba.com. Get your facts straight Ben. I don't want to keep pwning you, but I will if I have to. :lol:
     
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    So what assists to turnover ratio would be acceptable for you? Since 2.1 is not good, IYO. I am just curious.

    Tony Parker - 2.8
    Steve Nash - 3.9
    Chris Paul - 2.3
    Rajon Rondo - 2.9
    Jason Kidd - 2.2
    Deron Williams - 3.3
    LeBron James - 3.6
    Derrick Rose - 2.9

    Some of the best passers in the league today all have a higher a\to ratio. And not many play more than 4 minutes more per game than Miller.
     
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    All of those guys have the ball in their hands a lot more than Miller.
     
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    You didn't answer my question.
     
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