Antonie Walker traded to Hawks for Terry and Henderson?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Although he expected to be traded to the Knicks, Antoine Walker will apparently be traded tomorrow from the Mavs to the Hawks for Jason Terry and Alan Henderson, a league source revealed.

Walker is owed $14.625M in the final year of his contract. Terry, a guard, has $7.5M and $6.6M left over two years, while Henderson, an injury-prone forward, is owed $8.2M for one year</div>

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Wow, even MORE salary cap to unload for next off-season. I guess they have to get a reputation of at least having a bright future before someone wants to sign with them.

 

Good trade IMO, they can dump off Henderson for 2 unknown players from a team that dosent have a chance at the playoffs anytime soon.

Plus Dallas gets a good gurad who's a somewhat decent defender, and we get rid of Walker too Now all we have to do is get rid of Bradley...

..that is if this trade does go down

 

I don't see how this trade makes any sense. The Mavs have 17 players signed now.
If they do this, they will have 18. Neither of these players has much chance of
doing anything in Dallas. There must be a third team involved. The only good thing
about this is that Peter Vesey is reporting it, so it might not happen.

Really, can anyone out there explain to me why the Mavs would do this?

 

With them aquiring terry it makes it more likely they will get kidd imo. Since terry has been playing out of position for the hawks at point now they can move him to 2 in dallas. They also tossed out a max contract(though in its last year) from the team meaning they have a little more cap room. I think henderson will probable be waived SunshineRain since they dont really need him he was just in there to make contracts match.

Now that they have a little more cap room they probable can pull off a trad with new jersey that would send finely to NJ since they are tring to include him in the deal by getting terry he becomes expendable. The back court of terry and kidd would be like the back court the sixers had the last few years with snow and AI. Kidd is 6 5 so he would defend the two guards while terry would defend the point guards.

This doesnt do much for there defense though and may hinder the type of offense that j-kidd likes to run which is the fast break if the team can not play good enough defense to get steals and run the ball. Though I dont think that will be a problem because kidd can run on missed shots as well as turnovers equally well and the mavs were high in the league last year in points while being in the bottom 20's in defensive points allowed yet still having a good fast break.

 

Thanks Skillz, I hadn't considered Finley as part of the trade. That would be
ironic if Finley was traded for Kidd for the second time in his career!
Personally, I think Stackhouse can play like a poor man's Finley.
I've been reading that Cuban doesn't want to swallow the whole Kidd
deal without giving up a few contracts, and Fin would be one, but I
question whether NJ would be willing to take on a highly paid player like FinDog.

You forget Marquis Daniels in the backcourt rotation. This guy is starting to
look like TMac 2.0. And Devin Harris also.

One thing about the Mavs offense, they can run a fast break even on a made
basket.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">With them aquiring terry it makes it more likely they will get kidd imo. Since terry has been playing out of position for the hawks at point now they can move him to 2 in dallas. They also tossed out a max contract(though in its last year) from the team meaning they have a little more cap room. I think henderson will probable be waived SunshineRain since they dont really need him he was just in there to make contracts match.</div>

How is it more likely that they'll trade for Kidd? Cuban has already expressed that he is not willing to take on Kidds long term and big contract Terry can't be traded for a while after the Dallas trade. It looks like Terry will start the point, Daniels at the 2, Finley at the 3, Dirk at the 4, and somebody, anybody (Booth)? at the 5 spot. They already said Stackhouse will be their 6th man and he accepted that role. Harris will likely backup Terry this year and next if Terry is not traded again.[/QUOTE]

 

for dallas i think this was a good move because i feel this adds to all the little trades " base hits" that will equal their "Grand slam" in trying to aquire kidd.

for the hawks i believe this is a coposetic trade.

I mena on paper iff all of their woes go through they look better to me.

Sura
?
Walker
Harrington
Dampier ( hopefully)

And now with more added cap space they can possibly sign Dampier this year an maybe some other guys next season.

I'm really glad the hawks are at least trying to make some moves.

also i think hawks were nice to terry for letting him go because he tried to leave with utah the year before but the hawks were qoute un qoute ready to declare their playoff status with glenrobinson that they had to keep terry.

Now terry can go to a bright team and his talent wont be wasted in atl.

I wish him the best in Dallas.

And i will also be welcoming walker and his qoute un qoute bad shooting and all.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Quickness:</div><div class="quote_post">for dallas i think this was a good move because i feel this adds to all the little trades " base hits" that will equal their "Grand slam" in trying to aquire kidd.

for the hawks i believe this is a coposetic trade.

I mena on paper iff all of their woes go through they look better to me.

Sura
?
Walker
Harrington
Dampier ( hopefully)

And now with more added cap space they can possibly sign Dampier this year an maybe some other guys next season.

I'm really glad the hawks are at least trying to make some moves.

also i think hawks were nice to terry for letting him go because he tried to leave with utah the year before but the hawks were qoute un qoute ready to declare their playoff status with glenrobinson that they had to keep terry.

Now terry can go to a bright team and his talent wont be wasted in atl.

I wish him the best in Dallas.

And i will also be welcoming walker and his qoute un qoute bad shooting and all.</div>

Any chance of the Mavericks getting Jason Kidd are gone. It would make no sense to acquire him after this deal. ESPN Chad Ford and Marc Stein have said that there's no chance of them acquiring Kidd now.

Well their Lineup currently looks like this, with Bob Sura being a FA.

PG- ?
SG- Josh Childress
SF- Al Harrington
PF- Antoine Walker
C- Swift?

There's been talk that Memphis is trying to acquire Curry. So with Curry in Memphis, their would be no need for Swift, unless he's traded via sign and Trade for Curry. There's still alot to be decided, but it's been a good start for Billy Knight.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">How is it more likely that they'll trade for Kidd? Cuban has already expressed that he is not willing to take on Kidds long term and big contract Terry can't be traded for a while after the Dallas trade. It looks like Terry will start the point, Daniels at the 2, Finley at the 3, Dirk at the 4, and somebody, anybody (Booth)? at the 5 spot. They already said Stackhouse will be their 6th man and he accepted that role. Harris will likely backup Terry this year and next if Terry is not traded again.</div>
Again did you read my post? I did not sya that terry would be traded and reported on www.hoophype.com and I posted it here the mavs will try and get kidd as long as they can some how involve some of there big contracts like finely in the trade. That is what makes it more likely finely will be involved in the trade that may take place now that they have terry a guy who is a shooting guard and was playing out of position for the hawks.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Again did you read my post? I did not sya that terry would be traded and reported on www.hoophype.com and I posted it here the mavs will try and get kidd as long as they can some how involve some of there big contracts like finely in the trade. That is what makes it more likely finely will be involved in the trade that may take place now that they have terry a guy who is a shooting guard and was playing out of position for the hawks.</div>

You said "With them aquiring terry it makes it more likely they will get kidd imo". I was reffering to the comment. It's not more likely. It's less likely.



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The trade increases the likelihood that Jason Kidd will be staying with the New Jersey Nets. One source close to Kidd told ESPN.com last week that Dallas' Mark Cuban appeared to be the only owner in the league willing to absorb the remaining five years and $90 million on Kidd's contract in a trade.


But with the Nets not ready to deal Kidd -- and Kidd not yet demanding a trade -- Cuban opted for an immediate move to help fill the void at point guard created by Steve Nash's departure.

Although Terry is much more of a shooting guard than Nash, he has only two seasons left on a three-year, $24 million deal signed last summer -- making Terry a trade asset as well as a potential Nash replacement. Henderson is entering the final season of a seven-year, $45 million deal, meaning the Mavericks will still have two expiring contracts on the payroll -- Henderson and Christian Laettner -- to peddle in additional trades between now and February.


In Walker, Atlanta gets a former Eastern Conference All-Star who was shopped to several teams because he, too, is in the final year of his contract. Walker thus has ample motivation to put forth a strong season, although he had hoped to go to New York (Isiah Thomas is a 'Toine fan) or Philadelphia (whose new coach is Jim O'Brien, Walker's former boss in Boston).


Sources said the Mavericks have not ruled out pursuing Kidd later in the season, after Kidd proves his health following July 1 knee surgery. Acquiring Terry gives Dallas a point guard to offer New Jersey down the road while also protecting the Mavericks in case they can't strike a deal with the Nets.
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Read the bold if I'm not clear enough. And the last part won't be happening for a while if it is going to happen. 2005 Offseason is the likely scenerio that would see Terry Traded to NJ for Kidd because Terrys contract would be up soon...However that doesn't mean Kidd will still be in the Nets uniform by then.

 

I`d like that trade, Harris coming off the bench and all. Alan Henderson I heard was underated, is he, I never really seen him play.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllenIverson3:</div><div class="quote_post">I`d like that trade, Harris coming off the bench and all. Alan Henderson I heard was underated, is he, I never really seen him play.</div>

He's not that great. He was at his best with Mookie, Smith and Deke there, because they made him better and got him the shots he wanted, as well he got some boards with the big guy there. Also Harris would be coming off the bench for this year, but its not given that he will for the year after. A team in need of a scoring PG, would look to Dallas for one because Terry will be in the last year of his contract.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">How is it more likely that they'll trade for Kidd? Cuban has already expressed that he is not willing to take on Kidds long term and big contract Terry can't be traded for a while after the Dallas trade. It looks like Terry will start the point, Daniels at the 2, Finley at the 3, Dirk at the 4, and somebody, anybody (Booth)? at the 5 spot. They already said Stackhouse will be their 6th man and he accepted that role. Harris will likely backup Terry this year and next if Terry is not traded again.</div>[/QUOTE]


it will be Pavel Podkolzin(i hope) at the 5 and why would they think about Booth?Hes horrible just look at what he did to Seattle?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">You said "With them aquiring terry it makes it more likely they will get kidd imo". I was reffering to the comment. It's not more likely. It's less likely. </div>
When I made that statement I had not seen that article and was going by the latest one I did see which was one posted yesterday on hoophype that they were intrested in including finely to the nets to help rid them selves of his 66 million dollar contract and possible take on kidds. Now after seeing that article yeah I agree with you you are right.

 

Having pondered this equation all morning, it looks like Terry will be a very
nice player for the Mavs. His stats look great. He's more of a 2, or shoot first
point guard. The 1-2-3 combo of Terry, Harris, Daniels, Finley, Howard,
Stackhouse looks real nice. Dirk and Najera at 4.

My remaining hope is that on August 15th, when the Mavs are able to trade
Laetner and/or Stackhouse, another deal will bring in a true 5.

Either Kidd is out of the plans, or the Mavs wait until Kidd proves he is healthy,
then go after him. Unless a three way can be worked out tomorrow.

 

I wouldnt what kind of trades the Mavs make as of now (exculding including Dirk and Finley) just be happy.. WALKER IS GONE!

 

It wasnt a bad trade for the Mavs they got a solid player,who is a combo guard,this trade gives them moe versatility and gives them cap space.

I dont like this trade for the Hawks,they gave up their best player for Toine who is a question mark next season,will he play better now that he is out of Dallas or the same or worse,so really this trade is very risky for the Hawks.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">It wasnt a bad trade for the Mavs they got a solid player,who is a combo guard,this trade gives them moe versatility and gives them cap space.</div>

They don't more cap space with this than they would of gotten with Walker. They're well over the cap already, and if Walker had stayed with them until the end of the year, then they would of had over 14 million taking off their payroll. With this trade only 8 Million comes off with Henderson. Terry's contract does not end until the 2005-2006 season is over.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont like this trade for the Hawks,they gave up their best player for Toine who is a question mark next season,will he play better now that he is out of Dallas or the same or worse,so really this trade is very risky for the Hawks.</div>

Well, they get MORE cap space with this trade. Next year they might be able to get a FA like Curry if the Bulls are fed up with him. In addition they're not going to the playoffs this year with Terry or Walker, so this trade should work out for both sides in the long run and short term.

 

More good news on this trade (for the Mavs), Tony Delk is also going to
Atlanta to help free the logjam on the Mavs roster, and Dallas gets a
first round pick.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...e.3f374633.html

The Mavs won't be looking to get under the cap any time soon, but
Cuban does seem concerned with the luxury tax. Terry is not overpaid.
In this offseason, Cuban has avoided overpaying Nash, dealt away an
overpaid Walker, sent off a great but still overpaid Jamison. Next year,
dead weight in Laetner and Henderson drops off the roster.
Only Michael Finley is seriously overpaid at this point, but he produces.
Nice job of creating payroll flexibility.

Seems a young talented player in Terry will fit into the Mavs mix.