Antonio Harvey's NBA Lottery Idea

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Just described on "The Game", I'm curious as to your thoughts, because I think it has some merit. Basically, he suggests removing both the draft lottery and the NBA age minimum, assigning draft spots by record, but placing tiers in the draft:

    Top 5 pick--must have at least two years of college
    Top 10 pick--must have at least one year of college

    So, if you want to come straight to the NBA from high school, you can, but you can't go any higher than 11th. If you want to be a #1 pick, go prove yourself in college for a couple years first. He also believes this would help the bad teams because they would be drafting more NBA-ready players (ignoring the fact that the past 3 rookies of the year have been one-and-done's), and give non-playoff teams an incentive to play better so that they have the option to draft high-school kids if they want to.

    So, what do y'all think?
     
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    Where do foreign players factor into this idea?
     
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    Also, the Top 5 in this draft would be pretty thin if you had to have at least 2 years in college.

    Behind Evan Turner, who is there? Gordon Hayward? He could go from a 20th pick to Top 5 based on this system. Greg Monroe? Lottery talent, but Top 5? I say this without knowing how non-college foreign players would be slotted.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    He didn't say, so I didn't speculate. Most likely age based, 20+ top 5, 19y top 10, 18y everyone else. Personally, I'd recommend 22/20/18, but that's just me.
     
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    That's the flaw in his idea. There is no guarantee that second/third/fourth year players are more NBA ready than freshmen. And considering the fact that the worse teams are looking for stars (high upside, even if they are raw initially), I don't think this idea works.
     
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    That's really a horrible idea. That means that if the next Lebron James wants to be one and done and enter the draft after his freshman year, the worst 5 teams aren't allowed to draft him, while better teams can? Stupid.
     
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    That was also the case in 2006, when the age-limit was first implemented. Clearly, it would take a couple years to see how a change such as this would generally impact the draft on a year-to-year basis.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Also, it means that if the next Lebron wants to go to the NBA straight out of high school, the 10-worst teams can't draft him. Of course, he'd have to (potentially) forfeit several million in rookie salary to do so, because he'd be going #11 instead of #1.

    As for the terrible teams not getting the next Lebron--be less terrible. Why should a team be rewarded for losing 70 games with a franchise player? I'd rather reward a team that won 35 games and at least had a shot at a playoff spot until the last month.
     
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    Giving a superstar to a really shitty team rather than a mediocre team, would result in more parity for the league, leading to better competition overall.
     
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    But he'd still be getting paid millions for two extra years instead of going to college... and he'd potentially get that big contract two years earlier after his rookie contract.

    Wow... You serious?
     
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    This is a horrible idea.
     
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    Here's another idea. Let's put the 16 playoffs teams in a lottery, with the lowest record having the most chances at #1, and this year, Cleveland having the fewest chances. The current lottery teams would draft from #17 to 30 based on record. Worst at #17, and Memphis at #30.

    This is fair because it doesn't reward bad teams, and it rewards young, up and coming teams like OKC, Portland, and Atlanta. Teams that are good enough now to be out of the lottery, but still with holes.

    ;)
     
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    David Stern should just give the largest markets, the most lottery balls.
     
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    I say let's go back to the days of frozen and/or bent envelopes. Back when the cheating was obvious and nobody cared because the Knicks got the #1 pick.

    [video=youtube;WWExLwQenW0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWExLwQenW0[/video]
     
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    He'd get his big contract sooner, but do the extra years necessarily make up the difference, especially when annual salary inflation is considered? For instance, compare what Blake Griffin got by going #1 in '09 vs what Derrick Rose (had he gone prep-to-pro) would have gotten as the #11 in 2007 (the spot actually claimed by Acie Law). Law got $6M over 3 years. Griffin gets $16M for his first 3. Then, say Rose gets a max extension--$80M? If Griffin gets one 2 years from now--$90M? So a player could get a $10M larger rookie contract by going to college, and then a larger extension because it happens later. Get paid sooner, or get paid more?

    Why not? Same scenario as above, Rose goes #11 to Atlanta. This year's playoffs are VERY interesting. Also, oddly enough, Oden and Durant would still have gone to us and Seattle, only at the 6/7 spots (unless of course they had chosen to come out the year before or stay a year longer...who knows?)
     
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    It was horrible idea....

    The NBA should do itself a favor and add a year to the eligibility list, meaning no player can enter the NBA until they have completed a minimum of two years of college OR if they wish, play overseas for two years (ala Brandon Jennings)....

    So they can still "get paid" if they choose to do so by playing overseas.....

    As for the order of the draft, it is fine the way it is....Just b\c you have the worst record doesn't guarantee you the #1 pick, but does guarantee you at worst the #4 pick....

    That is fair IMO....
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    If I had the worst record in the NBA and some arbitrary rule forced me to take Greg Monroe over say a player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins I sure as hell wouldn't be happy, and especially wouldn't be happy to see a 41 win team like the Rockets or some other middle of the pack team end up with a top five talent just because of the rule.

    It's a creative approach, but ultimately flawed; talent wins in the NBA not college experience.
     
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    That is utter bullshit. The NBA and it's age limit are pretty hypocritical at best IMO. Look at the finals over the last few years. Almost every team is lead by a guy who came into the league straight out of high school.

    Cavs-Lebron.
    Magic-Howard
    Lakers-Kobe

    I think if you actually looked at the numbers on players who went to school, and who didn't go to school, and how many of them turned out to fail in the NBA and or be knuckleheads, the percentages would be about the same. Some guys are ready earlier than others, that is reality. There is no reason to penalize them and make them risk injury.

    If anything is the problem, it's the leagues management teams which continually make mistakes. Nobody is forcing them to sign these young players to fat contracts before they are proven. Nobody is forcing them to draft them. But they are. If they want to look for somebody to blame for their decisions, they should look in the mirror.
     
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    Bingo.

    The first year would be messy, but after that, the best players would abandon "one-and-done" and start sticking around long enough to be a top pick.
     
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