Arenas takes a shot at Jose, gets bombarded by fanatical Raps fans

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  1. Chutney

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>On the East side, I don’t know if there were any big snubs. I mean, some people wanted Jose Calderon. Jose Calderon? Who? Come on man, this is All-Star, people. When I’ve seen some of the names that are being thrown around on the ticker as snubs, it’s killing me. I understand Calderon has the best assist-turnover ratio in the league, but you know what’s funny? All back-up point guards have the best assist-turnover ratios. Screw it, Kevin Ollie should be an All-Star then! For like five or six years, Ollie was No. 1 in assist-turnover ratio!

    An All-Star is an All-Star! He’s playing at a high level. That means, if you take him off the team, that team should fall down if he’s that one guy. An All-Star means that he is dominating the game of basketball. It’s not even about numbers necessarily, it’s about dominating.

    I could probably say that Richard Jefferson got snubbed maybe Josh Smith too. His 18 points, 10 rebounds and three blocks puts him at No. 14. Richard Jefferson is No. 13. Turkoglu is No. 15. But, El Calderon? Come on.

    I’ve been loving the way he’s been playing for the last two years. When he first came into the league he was a little timid and scared to shoot the ball, but he’s taking over that team. But All-Star? He’s about 20 years away from being an All-Star.

    This is the difference between Antawn and Caron stepping up with me out and Calderon stepping up with T.J. Ford out: Antawn is second in the league in double-doubles and there’s only five players in the league averaging 20 and 10 – he’s one of them. There’s Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh and Antawn. Four of those five are All-Stars and their teams are winning. Caron is playing at a high level. He’s taking over the game when he’s been playing – All-Star. Calderon is managing a team. If he was up for Rookie All-Star, Sophomore All-Star … BOOM … he’d get in. He might even be MVP! But for the big show? The big game? No.

    You know what? I’m sorry people. I think I’m biased because my team was fifth in the Eastern Conference and I was averaging 29, five and five and I got snubbed off the All-Star game. So maybe I’m a little biased. I was in that Larry Brown era, so, my fault. You know what? Calderon might have been an All-Star. I can’t look at my situation and judge everybody else’s situation in the All-Star game. I guess my 29, five and five and being in fifth place wasn’t good enough at the time.</div>
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    Obviously I disagree with him, but then again, I don't read Arenas for his basketball knowledge. I read it for laughs. And I got a good laugh out of the comments. He got it pretty bad from Raps fans.
     
  2. speeds

    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    If there is one thing you can count on from Raps fans, its them FREAKING OUT every time one of their players is slighted (or even perceived to be slighted) in the media.
     
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    By Arenas definition "That means, if you take him off the team, that team should fall down if he’s that one guy," I guess Arenas shouldn't be considered an All-Star either. His team was winning more without him on the court.
     
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    Jose has amazing PER for a PG. He's more than worthy even though he doesn't have all the pieces other PGs in the West have.
     
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    That is why I hate most Raptor fans especailly living in the area.

    Arenas praised Calderon last year or this year and all he says what everyone thinks but Raptors fans and they turn on him?
     
  6. Chutney

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    Arenas had to expect something. His argument was basically a combination of "Jose Calderon wasn't snubbed because he isn't a star," "Jose Calderon = Kevin Ollie," and "Jose Calderon is a game manager." None of it really made sense and he came off sounding retarded.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 12 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is why I hate most Raptor fans especailly living in the area.</div>

    yeah well, we ain't exactly proud of you either son.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 12 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is why I hate most Raptor fans especailly living in the area.

    Arenas praised Calderon last year or this year and all he says what everyone thinks but Raptors fans and they turn on him?</div>


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 12 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FEAR my editing skills GM!</div>
    You live in T.O. and your a nets fan?
    How does that work. [​IMG]
     
  9. Universe

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    I live in St. Catharines which is about an hour away but still Raptors fans here.

    Kidd was the first player I watched and Todd MC was Canadian and amazing haha.
     
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    Interesting comment after the blog

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>GILBERT, NEVER IS TOO LATE TO APOLOGIZE

    ABOUT CALDERON:

    #13 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.539) #1 Among guards
    #12 in the NBA in 2P% Percentage (0.566) #1 Among guards
    #7 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage(0.462)
    #2 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.922)
    #5 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(8.8)
    #23 in the NBA in Double-doubles(19.0) #5 Among guards

    and...
    #18 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(29.98) #5 Among guards (#1 Paul, #2 Kobe, #3 Nash #4 Ginobili #5 Calderon)


    and...
    #1 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover(5.57)
    Only 6 players in history have ever managed to finish a season with an AST-TO ratio greater than 5, and only 2 of those players have ever averaged 5 or more assists while doing this (Muggsy Bogues 3 times and Terrell Brandon once). Calderon may become the third.

    and...
    12,7 PPG, 3,2 RPG, 8,8 APG only playing 31,2 MPG

    and..
    Toronto - Good Season. Much better than your team (with 2 all stars).
    Calderon is a World champion, and you?.
    He is a team player who can decide a game as well, ask Boston Celtics, WHO is Calderon


    suscribo juancojone23, un post impecablemente "cojonudo"</div>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Feb 12 2008, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Interesting comment after the blog

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>GILBERT, NEVER IS TOO LATE TO APOLOGIZE

    ABOUT CALDERON:

    #13 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.539) #1 Among guards
    #12 in the NBA in 2P% Percentage (0.566) #1 Among guards
    #7 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage(0.462)
    #2 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.922)
    #5 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(8.8)
    #23 in the NBA in Double-doubles(19.0) #5 Among guards

    and...
    #18 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(29.98) #5 Among guards (#1 Paul, #2 Kobe, #3 Nash #4 Ginobili #5 Calderon)


    and...
    #1 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover(5.57)
    Only 6 players in history have ever managed to finish a season with an AST-TO ratio greater than 5, and only 2 of those players have ever averaged 5 or more assists while doing this (Muggsy Bogues 3 times and Terrell Brandon once). Calderon may become the third.

    and...
    12,7 PPG, 3,2 RPG, 8,8 APG only playing 31,2 MPG

    and..
    Toronto - Good Season. Much better than your team (with 2 all stars).
    Calderon is a World champion, and you?.
    He is a team player who can decide a game as well, ask Boston Celtics, WHO is Calderon


    suscribo juancojone23, un post impecablemente "cojonudo"</div>
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    They are nice and all but not All-Star worthy which is why Raptors fans have no reason to be angry.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 12 2008, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Feb 12 2008, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Interesting comment after the blog

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>GILBERT, NEVER IS TOO LATE TO APOLOGIZE

    ABOUT CALDERON:

    #13 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.539) #1 Among guards
    #12 in the NBA in 2P% Percentage (0.566) #1 Among guards
    #7 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage(0.462)
    #2 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.922)
    #5 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(8.8)
    #23 in the NBA in Double-doubles(19.0) #5 Among guards

    and...
    #18 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(29.98) #5 Among guards (#1 Paul, #2 Kobe, #3 Nash #4 Ginobili #5 Calderon)


    and...
    #1 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover(5.57)
    Only 6 players in history have ever managed to finish a season with an AST-TO ratio greater than 5, and only 2 of those players have ever averaged 5 or more assists while doing this (Muggsy Bogues 3 times and Terrell Brandon once). Calderon may become the third.

    and...
    12,7 PPG, 3,2 RPG, 8,8 APG only playing 31,2 MPG

    and..
    Toronto - Good Season. Much better than your team (with 2 all stars).
    Calderon is a World champion, and you?.
    He is a team player who can decide a game as well, ask Boston Celtics, WHO is Calderon


    suscribo juancojone23, un post impecablemente "cojonudo"</div>
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    They are nice and all but not All-Star worthy which is why Raptors fans have no reason to be angry.
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    How did you determine that isn't all-star worthy?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How did you determine that isn't all-star worthy?</div>

    Because when Ford is healthy Calderon is a backup pg?

    J-Kidd pwns any Spanish players.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Feb 13 2008, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How did you determine that isn't all-star worthy?</div>

    Because when Ford is healthy Calderon is a backup pg?

    J-Kidd pwns any Spanish players.
    </div>

    Calderon has slightly outperformed Ford in per ball possession ratings this year.

    Toronto having two good PGs (when healthy) could be another case, not that Calderon sucked in the past.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Feb 13 2008, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How did you determine that isn't all-star worthy?</div>

    Because when Ford is healthy Calderon is a backup pg?

    J-Kidd pwns any Spanish players.
    </div>

    Calderon has slightly outperformed Ford in per ball possession ratings this year.

    Toronto having two All-Star caliber PGs (when healthy) could be another case.
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    Did you say TWO all-star pgs?

    Ford definitely is not that....

    Calderon is good and may make it to an all-star game or two, but this year wasnt his year, who are you gonna take off the team for him? Sheed? I guess but people need to stop whining about so and so not making the all-star team. move on with your life.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Feb 13 2008, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Feb 13 2008, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How did you determine that isn't all-star worthy?</div>

    Because when Ford is healthy Calderon is a backup pg?

    J-Kidd pwns any Spanish players.
    </div>

    Calderon has slightly outperformed Ford in per ball possession ratings this year.

    Toronto having two All-Star caliber PGs (when healthy) could be another case.
    </div>

    Did you say TWO all-star pgs?

    Ford definitely is not that....

    Calderon is good and may make it to an all-star game or two, but this year wasnt his year, who are you gonna take off the team for him? Sheed? I guess but people need to stop whining about so and so not making the all-star team. move on with your life.
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    First, I did not say Ford was definitely an All-Star, merely that his per possession efficiency is at a high enough level to make him a pseudo-star. Of course he hasn't played nearly enough minutes and Calderon is superior. Either way, Calderon would not ride the bench if Ford was healthy.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Feb 13 2008, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Feb 13 2008, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 13 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How did you determine that isn't all-star worthy?</div>

    Because when Ford is healthy Calderon is a backup pg?

    J-Kidd pwns any Spanish players.
    </div>

    Calderon has slightly outperformed Ford in per ball possession ratings this year.

    Toronto having two All-Star caliber PGs (when healthy) could be another case.
    </div>

    Did you say TWO all-star pgs?

    Ford definitely is not that....

    Calderon is good and may make it to an all-star game or two, but this year wasnt his year, who are you gonna take off the team for him? Sheed? I guess but people need to stop whining about so and so not making the all-star team. move on with your life.
    </div>

    First, I did not say Ford was definitely an All-Star, merely that his per possession efficiency is at a high enough level to make him a pseudo-star. Of course he hasn't played nearly enough minutes and Calderon is superior. Either way, Calderon would not ride the bench if Ford was healthy.
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    I don't think Ford should even start in front of Calderon when he gets healthy. Calderon is far superior than Ford.
     
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    Don't worry, Sam Mitchell knows who the better pointguard is, and he'll make sure that once healthy, Ford will start.

    And obviously Kidd single handedly pwns them both in the same game.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Feb 13 2008, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't worry, Sam Mitchell knows who the better pointguard is, and he'll make sure that once healthy, Ford will start.

    And obviously Kidd single handedly pwns them both in the same game.</div>

    exactly what area is Ford better than Calderon at? Besides their paychecks
     
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    TJ will drive to the bucket, Jose generally doesn't.
     

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